There are a LOT of spoiled brats on this board...
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imo The parity is partly the result of the NCAA really cracking down on the number of hours per week teams can practice.
southern cal, 'bama, ....tons of other schools abused the maximum hours they were allowed to practice.
In fact, they for the most part just ignored the rule.
cgvr, I'll just address you since you're the most vocal about this post.
First of all, I do not have the time or interest in digging up old posts of those calling for Kelly's head. If you've got the time, then by all means. I also do not have the time to run and defend every single post I see of the nature. Again, if you do, then by all means.
After every loss, there is always an outcry for his firing. Perhaps its the few and the same people, perhaps not. My post really was directed at those folks.
I don't think any of us realize just how tough CFB has become. This is not the 20's, 30's or 40's. A lot of things have changed since then. The days of having an undefeated national champ every season are all but gone. Its just too difficult to do these days.
And lets be realistic here. Notre Dame has not been a consistent 10 (or 8 game back in the 40's) winner since the 40's. The beloved Parseghian had only 4 seasons where he had 1 loss or less. Leahy and Rockne, well, that was from a time frame when ND and Army didn't have a whole lot of competition.
Perhaps Kelly is not the answer and they fire him eventually. So be it. I certainly won't lose sleep over it. I'll support whoever is the coach so long as they put ND in a position to win games.
First of all, I do not have the time or interest in digging up old posts of those calling for Kelly's head. If you've got the time, then by all means. I also do not have the time to run and defend every single post I see of the nature. Again, if you do, then by all means.
After every loss, there is always an outcry for his firing. Perhaps its the few and the same people, perhaps not. My post really was directed at those folks.
I don't think any of us realize just how tough CFB has become. This is not the 20's, 30's or 40's. A lot of things have changed since then. The days of having an undefeated national champ every season are all but gone. Its just too difficult to do these days.
And lets be realistic here. Notre Dame has not been a consistent 10 (or 8 game back in the 40's) winner since the 40's. The beloved Parseghian had only 4 seasons where he had 1 loss or less. Leahy and Rockne, well, that was from a time frame when ND and Army didn't have a whole lot of competition.
Perhaps Kelly is not the answer and they fire him eventually. So be it. I certainly won't lose sleep over it. I'll support whoever is the coach so long as they put ND in a position to win games.
I am falling out of my chair laughing because earlier today a newbie said that he was attracted to this board because it seemed the most level headed and mature.
0-3 the last two years @ Stanford, Clemson, and Florida State. Coach Kelly has yet to win a game at Michigan or Stanford in six seasons. That is unacceptable for a man making 3+ million dollars a year. Yet, you have the nerve to say some on here are spoiled? ND hasn't done squat in 20 years. Hardly spoiled. You're either a relative of an ND employee or a government employee that doesn't have the desire to win.
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Our biggest bowl win in 20 years......drum roll....music city bowl....
I am hoping that changes this year....
Who is talking about firing the coach? I hate his guts and I know it's not happening and it would be the dumbest possible thing to do. However, I hope the NFL takes him this off season. Why is it that this guy can't get better as a coach? He never improves and never takes any blame for losses. Its been six straight years of the same moronic game management mistakes.
Each year? Kelly has done 10+ wins now, twice. Barely. He's cost the team 10+ win seasons way more times than not. MSU, Tulsa, Michigan, Florida State, Northwestern, Louisville, USF, Pitt, etc. ND will never be in the playoff with this guy as coach. He's a nine win guy.
We were in the playoff picture this year. Didn't you follow the team this season?
I guarantee I go to more ND games than you do. I'll also put money on it you've never been on the ND campus.I think there are just some people on here who don't know a lot about football, who aren't even ND fans, ignorant, or a mixture of any of these reasons. Turnover donkey comes to mind right away.
I do enjoy the fact that I have no idea who you are and rarely see you on here, yet you know all about me lol. I'm game to sit down and talk football/basketball any time you want. I will own you. The fact that you have zero sports knowledge is why you aren't able to understand game management mistakes. Being a homer makes you look thick.
Then I suggest you follow another team, like Michigan. You seem to have a hard-on for Harbaugh.
Exactly my point. College football is so competitive that one would think Kelly and co. could win ONE of these road games:
2015- Stanford
2015- Clemson
2014- Florida State
2013- Michigan
2013- Stanford
2011- Michigan
2011- Stanford
Nope. 0-7.
ND was blown out at USC one year ago. There wasn't one injury on the offensive side of the ball. A terrible offensive game plan/QB CBK was obsessed with led to the blow out more than defensive injuries.
Amen. I appreciate your knowledge. Many ND fans celebrate wins against BC, Wake, and Temple as if that was something special done by Kelly. R
Richt couldn't beat the big boy teams on the schedule and it was finally time to go. It'll be the same story for Kelly in a few years because he can't win the big games, especially on the road.
Interesting how you leave out Oklahoma in 2012.
You know, of the seven years listed, I found the following:
2015 Stanford - lost one at home to Oregon
2015 Clemson - undefeated at home (ND lost on a two-point conversion)
2014 Florida State - undefeated at home (ND lost on a controversial call)
2013 Michigan - I'll give you that one
2013 Stanford - lost one at home to Oregon
2011 Michigan - undefeated at home
2011 Stanford - undefeated at home
So in four of those years four times those teams you listed were undefeated and in two of them only one loss occurred.
The board is actually really good once you block and ignore the handful of immature attention seeking crayon eaters.The preponderance of posters are really good and have smart level headed things to say. Don't feed the trolls.
You just conveniently forgot that we played Oklahoma in Norman in 2012? It's bad enough that you pretend to be an ND fan. How about at least providing all of the facts and not cherry picking?
Comparing Kelly, or modern coach, to Leahy or Rockne is just silly to me. It is the kind of arguments that ND fans rehash too often with no good reason. How can you compare a modern era coach with scholarship limits and money at all schools to coaches that had few roster limits in an era when most schools treated football as almost an intramural activity for their male students little different than a Phys Ed class?
Way beyond comparing apples to oranges; more like comparing apples to moon rocks.
People need to remember that is not Saban alone; it is the combination of Alabama's history, recruiting in the South, and Saban as coach that resulted in the current Alabama. Saban was noticed when he was Michigan State, but without the recruiting advantages, he was not winning championships there.
Granite, good point about the differences between the Rockne era and modern day. That was sort of what I was alluding to.
TurnoverMachine, find another team. You hate Kelly's guts? Really dude, maybe some therapy would help you out there. Does your mom and dad know your up late on the computer on a school night?
I have never once said Kelly was the best coach for ND. But I do believe ND can do a lot worse at the moment. ND's schedule, ranks among the toughest, if not the toughest, every year. There are not many let ups, even if you want to believe that Temple, Navy, BC, for example, are gimme's. Every single team on ND's schedule plays them tough because its their biggest game of the season usually. Hell, ND was most likely Clemson's biggest game this season. USC, Stanford, Navy, BC are all classic examples of their "Super Bowls" when the Irish come to town. I'd love to see any other team in the country survive that kind of intensity and lack of a let down week. I seriously doubt anyone would survive it every year.
I'm not making excuses for Kelly. I want to see better results and believe that time is now. If he can't deliver in the next few season, then yes, maybe its time for him to be dismissed.
TurnoverMachine, find another team. You hate Kelly's guts? Really dude, maybe some therapy would help you out there. Does your mom and dad know your up late on the computer on a school night?
I have never once said Kelly was the best coach for ND. But I do believe ND can do a lot worse at the moment. ND's schedule, ranks among the toughest, if not the toughest, every year. There are not many let ups, even if you want to believe that Temple, Navy, BC, for example, are gimme's. Every single team on ND's schedule plays them tough because its their biggest game of the season usually. Hell, ND was most likely Clemson's biggest game this season. USC, Stanford, Navy, BC are all classic examples of their "Super Bowls" when the Irish come to town. I'd love to see any other team in the country survive that kind of intensity and lack of a let down week. I seriously doubt anyone would survive it every year.
I'm not making excuses for Kelly. I want to see better results and believe that time is now. If he can't deliver in the next few season, then yes, maybe its time for him to be dismissed.
-- two plays from 12-0 and you are discussing possibly dismissing Kelly???
But you are spot on re TO -- guy needs serious help
I haven't forgotten the 2012 game in Norman.
That 4th quarter still hurts.
You paid us back the following year, LTS.
Please don't confuse me with others. I am not suggesting Kelly should be fired. I'm saying the exact opposite. I'm saying that anything that is complaining and calling for his dismissal needs to take a step back and look at the larger picture and consider what ND is up against each season (recruiting woes, academic requirements, schedule strength, etc.) Not many teams would win 8 games a season, let alone 10+, all things considered.
I just wonder how realistic it really is for many of us to expect NC's at ND, given the circumstances.
I agree. Did the same with my chair. I would hate to visit the other sites if that's truly the case. Many here would eat their young given the opportunity.
That said, it is entertaining though. Keeps me in stitches.
I'm not for comparing Kelly to any coach. I'm also not for firing Kelly. What is ridiculous is arguing he should be coach only because he was better than 3 of the worst coaches we have had. If Kelly simply wins 7-8 regular season games every single year he's better than those 3 but is that really what we expect at ND now?
I'm for setting standards, ND standards, and measuring my coach by those. I am not for measuring him by the incompetence of his predecessors
Kelly would have won 10+ in 2013 (and 11+ in 2014 if we had no academic issues or an unusually high rash of injuries but to support your negativity you don't think that is accurate which means you need to study your subject matter a little more closely
highly unlikely. you're not an nd fan.
Understood -- the real problem is the internet . It gives some very off center people a voice. And yes we all know who some of those people are in this forum . Dam shame we have to navigate around infantile rants and others who have no appreciation for competition and the difficulty all coaches have to put a quality product on the field .
Maybe the discussion should be what standard or metrics equal success for ND with all the challenges enumerated here. The program should be judged by academic achievement and accountability, the citizenship of the athletes and coaches, and on field performance. With respect to the later, I personally want to see double digit wins on a regular basis and legitimately in the NC conversation on a regular basis, winning the NC every ten years or so, while accepting the occasional eight win season. I believe Kelly has finally developed the program to meet this standard, but it took a few years and growth and development on Kelly's part to achieve this. As I've said previously, I hope Kelly stays for years and retires from ND, with many consecutive years of success.
well said. to fully appreciate where the program is you have to understand where it was and how bad it had gotten. i think many don't truly realize what a train wreck brian kelly inherited. the program is on the most solid footing it's been on since the early 90's. they will be a top ten program going forward who can compete with any team in the nation on any given day. the job done this year by the staff and players is nothing short of remarkable given all the adversity that was presented to them. there is no more rebuilding. nd now reloads. it's very exciting going forward.
Telx, you stated my stance perfectly. In fact I'm probably a little more of a "realist" as I think it is going to be very, very difficult for ND to ever win a NC again unless they change a little. I don't want them to be a football factory but something needs to change or I don't think ND can win a NC.
That said, on the field I think ND can, and should, be a consistent 10 win team (regular season) with the occasional 8 win season.
I agree the program is the most solid it's been since Holtz but a train wreck? Go look at the thread about the 14 players from 2012 team in NFL. Click on the link and look at all of the ND players that have played in the NFL this year, there are 33 or so. All but a couple of them were recruited by Weis or Ty. That '12 was almost all Weis guys.
Weis couldn't develop players to save his soul but he could recruit, there were lots of good players here. Not to mention Weis worked with admissions to get kids approved faster so they could offer them. Before Weis ND was way behind offering kids and would be out of contention too early. Weis is the one who started the training table.
Not winning on Sat does not equal train wreck.
Thanks Java, but I think we only need to look at this season to know we can in fact win a NC with the current academic requirements. In addition to having the right talent and coaching, etc... It takes a certain amount of luck and good fortune to win the NC. If we had been fortunate enough not to lose Drue and Jones and Sebastian and Crawford, etc... I personally think we would have gone undefeated and would have had a real shot at the NC.
See, I see this season as the exact opposite. ND did well but, IMO, we could have been 12-0 with a little more depth and more focus on football/training. I just think that ND is so limited in recruiting and so much time is spent on academics (compared to most D1 schools) that ND needs almost every conceivable break to win 11 or 12 games. At other schools there is a much, much greater margin for error and bad fortune than at ND.
For the record, I'm fine with that. I do think ND could make a few changes, maintain its high academic standards and make it easier to win but I'm ok if they win 10 games a year and don't become a football factory like most other schools.
Agree Telx! Good post. After twenty plus years of mediocre football and two to three ND blowouts and ND teams that were just so slow -- we are now a fast modern football team. '12 and this year was fun, hell even the first seven last year (how the hell did we do that? after losing the frozen four?! Four starters.) I really like these kids on this team. I like the coach. We will get there.
