To go from the promise of what last season brought iI don't believe anybody seen this coming on the team
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The spector of losing football independence
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If you reflect back...this season went up in smoke on the indecisiveness of kelly under intense TX pressure. Our 4th down shot at victory was punted away after a poor timeout. That timeout shows that he is not prepared for "big game" decisions. He "waffled"/choked and showed no confidence in his pride and joy O. PS The third and 2 call prior to the punt was equally embarrassing.....
The Big? adds nothing to ND football and you have to be a complete moron to give up football independence voluntarily.
Really? ND is on their way to be out of the Top 10 for 13 out of 15 years. And without a conference championship ND is losing ground fast. Gee a moron would say without a conference championship game and the committee who favors conferences it makes no sense to join. Really who is the moron? Besides arrogance, why is independence so important? You now play some ACC teams (nice job missing Clemson, Louisville and FSU) plus the service academies and MSU and 2 Pac 10 teams. Join a conference and stop picking your schedule. U can play USC each year. Who else is so critical? The service academies? Still play them. WTF?
Not true , if they go 11-1 they have great shot of getting in, if they go 12-0 they are in. If they play in the b10 or other conference it is the same problem. if i were chose it would not be the b10
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This is the critical point. By remaining independent, ND can schedule all over the country. We have played home and homes with Texas and Oklahoma in the past few years. We have home and homes scheduled with Georgia, Texas A&M, and Ohio St. Why in the world would we want to give that up? To play Minnesota and Illinois? You must be joking.
And picking the schedule was the fact that no team in a conference gets only 3 road games. When is the last time ND had back to back road games or back to back tough games? Jesus. Look at Wisconsin. At MSU (loss at home for ND), at Michigan, OSU and at Iowa. Really? Like ND would ever have a schedule like that. Never. Plus a conference championship game. So stop the stupid arguments on joining a conference like that is somehow easier.
ND's SOS is typically better than almost every Big 10 school.
Funny how you just fail to mention that Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Rutgers and Maryland are in the Big 10. Also funny how you fail to mention that Clemson, Florida St., and Louisville are in the ACC. Your cherry picking is quite transparent.
Your argument is nonsense.
Not funny. How many of Clemson, Louisville and FSU do you play this year?' Talk about cherry picking. That is all ND does. Once again how many back to back away games has ND had in the last 10 years? And how many tough games has ND had in back to back games (Duke this year does not count after MSU which were both home games btw). Dude you are seriously clueless when it comes to ND mad how they schedule.
By my count, both Ohio State and Notre Dame have had 3 years in the past 8 where they had back-to-back road games. (ND has five if you count games against Navy in Maryland as "away" games.) So don't pretend that the Big Ten heavyweights are constantly going on the road each year.
The reality is this. You may want ND to join the Big 10, but ND is not going to do so. We have no desire to be a member of a conference where the other members just want to take our money and put ND "in its place." ND is a national school, not a regional school.
What kind of drugs are you on? Big Ten football is not better than ACC football, save in 1 area: average attendance, and its attendant fact of student body size (the BT has the largest average student body, and the ACC is easily the P5 with the smallest average student body).
You only think the ACC is better than the BT in baseball? Comparing ACC baseball to BT baseball is like comparing Triple A to Double A.
A patchwork of teams trying to make it in football? Sounds like the ACC has no National titles in football, maybe forever. So go ahead and look how many national titles have been won by ACC teams since the 1970s. Then look up the same number of BT teams winning the football NT since the 1970s.
Then pay some close to attention to ND football. When was the last ND NT? How many ACC teams have won the NT since then?
ND's last Golden Age was the 1970s - and it was a Golden Age precisely because the wise men running things decided to break tradition and play in bowls, starting with the 1970 Cotton.
I submit that ND football will never again have a Golden Age until it starts playing for ACC Championships.
Please submit your resignation from this board. If possible take pennick and the self proclaimed fl hs fb coach with you. Thank you.
Below is a quote from another board, from a thread on conference realignment. The poster is a Florida State fan. Like many of his Nole brethren, he was ignorant of all kinds of things until after that last round started, and he began reading things by people like me. One of the facts that he now most shares is that in total national TV viewers, ACC football is #3, not far behind the BT (which is well behind the SEC). The Big 12 is #4, and the Pac is a far distant #5. The numbers were the same before ND played a single game as a 5/8ths member of ACC football.
His subject is ND football and the possibility of ND being able to land any new coach it wants, after Kelly.
"They're going to have a hell of a time attracting coaches with the combination of:
a) a super tough schedule
b) nothing short of a national title to play for
Division titles, conference championship game appearances, and conference titles get coaches raises and keep them in jobs. Does Mark Richt get that long in Georgia without conference titles? Would Stoops still be in Norman.
And every year, the mystique of ND to coaches will drop a little. Tom Herman was in FREAKING middle school when ND won their last title. The idea that coaches come running when ND calls is just going to get less and less true.
If I'm Notre Dame, it only takes one thing to think about...how different is the college football world if ND doesn't whiff on Urban Meyer back in 2005? It was his supposed dream job, he was a midwest guy, and everyone had him marked for Notre Dame. If Notre Dame isn't in the running for the best coaches in the game...and their record since Urban stiff-armed them says they aren't...they have no future as a national title contending elite.
If you're a coach, do you want to try to guide Notre Dame through that deadly schedule every year and try to make the playoffs, with no safety net of a division or conference title?
Or do you want to have to win the ACC Coastal (or north or whatever it would be) against Pitt, BC, Syracuse, etc, and then take your one game shot in an ACC title game vs. Clemson or FSU (or Texas) with a playoff spot on the line.
I think high ups at ND know they have to be able to ease off the brutal schedule, uphill climb to the playoff not being a conf champ, and the NC or bust expectations. The world has changed. But they're going to have to be "forced into it" and in a way that people can say "I hate it...but it's not THAT bad."".
By the way - his ending may be a reference to ND fans responding to playing in bowls that first year and in the build up to the 2nd Cotton Bowl (which knocked Texas out of an undefeated season)
His subject is ND football and the possibility of ND being able to land any new coach it wants, after Kelly.
"They're going to have a hell of a time attracting coaches with the combination of:
a) a super tough schedule
b) nothing short of a national title to play for
Division titles, conference championship game appearances, and conference titles get coaches raises and keep them in jobs. Does Mark Richt get that long in Georgia without conference titles? Would Stoops still be in Norman.
And every year, the mystique of ND to coaches will drop a little. Tom Herman was in FREAKING middle school when ND won their last title. The idea that coaches come running when ND calls is just going to get less and less true.
If I'm Notre Dame, it only takes one thing to think about...how different is the college football world if ND doesn't whiff on Urban Meyer back in 2005? It was his supposed dream job, he was a midwest guy, and everyone had him marked for Notre Dame. If Notre Dame isn't in the running for the best coaches in the game...and their record since Urban stiff-armed them says they aren't...they have no future as a national title contending elite.
If you're a coach, do you want to try to guide Notre Dame through that deadly schedule every year and try to make the playoffs, with no safety net of a division or conference title?
Or do you want to have to win the ACC Coastal (or north or whatever it would be) against Pitt, BC, Syracuse, etc, and then take your one game shot in an ACC title game vs. Clemson or FSU (or Texas) with a playoff spot on the line.
I think high ups at ND know they have to be able to ease off the brutal schedule, uphill climb to the playoff not being a conf champ, and the NC or bust expectations. The world has changed. But they're going to have to be "forced into it" and in a way that people can say "I hate it...but it's not THAT bad."".
By the way - his ending may be a reference to ND fans responding to playing in bowls that first year and in the build up to the 2nd Cotton Bowl (which knocked Texas out of an undefeated season)
I see you didn't answer any of my questions.
How many football NTs have been won by ACC teams since the start of ND's last Golden Age, the 1970s?
How many football NTs have been won by BT teams since the 1970s?
How many football NTs have been won by ACC teams since ND's last NT?
Listen up Perry Mason. Would you care to share how long the blue and maize drought was? Also, why is maize considered a more cowardly shade of yellow? The current ACC is well represented by NCs. You can now scream from the rooftop that Miami's don't count or whatever your angle is... Lastly, you came to this site because your's sucks. PS I heard the infirmary at aa ran out of penicillin....
Thanks. Now there's a football team rich in history. Holy hannah I thought was getting in a um shootout..... this is better by far....A heads up, pretty sure that WoadBlue is Carolina fan as in Tar Heel.
Woad, the real way to look at this is Notre Dame is a division of one. So use percentages. That would be more accurate
Seriously?! ND is a national school so stay independent. Wow. I like arrogance but not stupid arrogance. You still never answered my questions on scheduling. Why don't you play Wisconsin's schedule? Play LSU and then in a month at MSU ((loss), at Michign, OSU and at Iowa. Makes losing to Duke at home look really bad. So stop with the national brand. We know it is. But the committee which has no ND roots is never going to bend over to help. Especially with Golic getting dumped no more ESPN bias.
Listen pal. You don't like ND. That's fine. I could give a crap. If you think we are arrogant, that's fine too. I don't care. You are over here trying to tell us why ND should join the Big 10. F the Big 10. I am absolutely serious when I say I would rather join the Ivy League.
Why "stop with the national brand"? It's true whether you want to admit it or not. Let's see your school get every game televised nationally.
You act like Wisconsin's schedule is the norm and not the exception. Wisconsin didn't play MSU, OSU or Michigan the last two years. Instead, they played Rutgers and Maryland. Tough crossover games there.
True. Even though Wisconsin plays a tough schedule this year, they usually play a very weak schedule. And how about Michigan's schedule this year. Just awful.
Are you kidding? Did you follow the first year of voting? The committee did everything under the sun to keep us in the hunt. Then bc happened...Stanford...
Get your facts straight and quit being a tool. Here are the 2015 rankings....look at the CFP rankings in weeks 1, 2, 3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_rankings
Anyone who would "blow off a full ride" to one of the best law schools in the country because of "arrogance" is a fool.
Subservient or not, ND will never join the big ten because it is too difficult. ND belongs in the ACC if it ever wants to actually have a chance to win a conference championship.
Lol, Nd not joining the big ten has nothing to do with any of the made up items you listed. Nd will not join the big ten because the powers that be at ND know that they cannot compete in the big ten. It's as simple as that.
Okay cgvr, this is a Michigan fan, a total asinine Michigan fan and I'll add arrogant to asinine too.
.....like ND wouldn't do well in the B1G? (shakes head at silly Wolvie fan)
Please. You did not go to a top law school. You did not go to law school at all. I am wondering if you graduated from high school.
Not a chance you would be in. Would never be in over the Big 10 and SEC champs. And then undefeated teams? They keep ND up there for ratings but no way the people in that room take ND over conference champs when all hate the arrogance. Same reason Big 12 is screwed unless they run the table or close. Do you think Barry and Tom after you shunned the Big 10 will ever let you in? Stupid. Hence why I never liked ND except my 4.0 there to go to a real law school.
I agree 100% in regards to football independence, but I believe theie are things happening behind the scenes the will make being an Independent impossible.
You have seen how hard it is to get the "other than football sports" good scheduling where ND was forced to find a deal where at first the Big East, then the ACC dictated ND's schedule to accommodate the conference for allowing a somewhat football independent profile
