The QB situation? I do not fault Kelly and here is why

[theskibro]

Think of Lou and Kevin McDougal Think of Devine and Montana. Think of Florida and Chris Leak and Tebow. Point is, only an exceptional coach like an ARA P can “see” the potential of a Qb. Most don’t see how a QB in practice can transition to the game. So I don’t fault Kelly for giving Zaire a chance. Fact is, Zaire was showing his lack of dimension against Virginia and then got hurt. If he kept that play up, he might have been benched.

The BIG CRITICISM tonight is BVG He should be banned from the game and become a stand in for Uncle Rico He sux cant teach cant coach useless

 

[88ND]

Think of Lou and Kevin McDougal Think of Devine and Montana. Think of Florida and Chris Leak and Tebow. Point is, only an exceptional coach like an ARA P can “see” the potential of a Qb. Most don’t see how a QB in practice can transition to the game. So I don’t fault Kelly for giving Zaire a chance. Fact is, Zaire was showing his lack of dimension against Virginia and then got hurt. If he kept that play up, he might have been benched.

The BIG CRITICISM tonight is BVG He should be banned from the game and become a stand in for Uncle Rico He sux cant teach cant coach useless

Wrong❕
What you fail to mention is the above examples each player offered up a totally different dynamic. Example ..right in front of you a couple hours ago. Texas brought in the other guy to run. There was no mystery. He threw one pass and it was wide open. He over threw him by 11 yards. But that guy ran hard. Damn hard. Buechele was throwing a nice ball but could not run with power.
Tebow, a physical bruiser..Leak was the throwing finesse guy.
And Mcdougal wasn't doing anything until Powlus broke his collarbone right before the opener then HAD to play.

Kizer and Zaire are too similar with Kizer just being better.

Kelly never thought Texas would be tough, and had a heavy heart for Zaire.

And the camera person could have stopped showing Zaire any ****ing time on the sideline. Really needed to kick a guy when he was down ABC? Get some ****ing class.

 

[theskibro]

Wrong❕
What you fail to mention is the above examples each player offered up a totally different dynamic. Example ..right in front of you a couple hours ago. Texas brought in the other guy to run. There was no mystery. He threw one pass and it was wide open. He over threw him by 11 yards. But that guy ran hard. Damn hard. Buechele was throwing a nice ball but could not run with power.
Tebow, a physical bruiser..Leak was the throwing finesse guy.
And Mcdougal wasn't doing anything until Powlus broke his collarbone right before the opener then HAD to play.

Kizer and Zaire are too similar with Kizer just being better.

Kelly never thought Texas would be tough, and had a heavy heart for Zaire.

And the camera person could have stopped showing Zaire any ****ing time on the sideline. Really needed to kick a guy when he was down ABC? Get some ****ing class.

So you are disagreeing with my premise that most head coaches cannot see who the better QB is? I can provide a ton of examples. I agree Kelly had empathy for Zaire but that still adds to my premise Only a few coaches can see a John Huarte
Devine could not see Montana Lou could not see McDougal who was a better QB than Powlus by far Powlus had to get hurt And Kelly stayed with Golson too long and went with Zaire when he should have gone with Kizer

 

[88ND]

So you are disagreeing with my premise that most head coaches cannot see who the better QB is? I can provide a ton of examples. I agree Kelly had empathy for Zaire but that still adds to my premise Only a few coaches can see a John Huarte
Devine could not see Montana Lou could not see McDougal who was a better QB than Powlus by far Powlus had to get hurt And Kelly stayed with Golson too long and went with Zaire when he should have gone with Kizer

Mcdougal in his lone year was with a stacked team.....one with which powlus never got to play with. So you can't say that he was better. His skill set was more dynamic and holtz loved a versatile QB in his offense. But Powlus was a victim of wrong place at wrong time. Had he been throwing for Lavelle Edwards or at convict U, it's hard to see how he turned out.


There was NOTHING that Zaire could have showed us that was going to surprise us let alone the staff.

It was sentimental and nothing more. I bet he wishes he could have those 5 series back with Zaire that netted absolutely zero offense.

Two QB can work but there has to be big varying degrees of skill set to put the defense at its mercy. This is NOT that case.

 

[mbd11]

I don't blame Kelly for letting the QBs settle it on the field, in a real game. Saban did the same thing the other night. It was a tough decision.

That game was on the defense. 37 points in regulation should be enough to win, esp. With a freshman QB on the other side.

 

[perseverare]

Think of Lou and Kevin McDougal Think of Devine and Montana. Think of Florida and Chris Leak and Tebow. Point is, only an exceptional coach like an ARA P can “see” the potential of a Qb. Most don’t see how a QB in practice can transition to the game. So I don’t fault Kelly for giving Zaire a chance. Fact is, Zaire was showing his lack of dimension against Virginia and then got hurt. If he kept that play up, he might have been benched.

The BIG CRITICISM tonight is BVG He should be banned from the game and become a stand in for Uncle Rico He sux cant teach cant coach useless

the HC lacked the chutzpuh to name a starter. That lack of decision split practice time for the starter.
Once the game started the decision was compounded by bad decisions.

The DC? Well, on Kelly: why? The Buck Stop With Kelly. Leadership is needed.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

This is 100% on the defense, and lack thereof.

 

[BGI User 1596]

This is 100% on the defense, and lack thereof.

And of course D is never used to win championships: see Bama and Denver Broncos.

 

[perseverare]

It is almost pointless to make points now: Occams Razor.

Weis beat SDSU in an embarrassing effort, but in victory, the obvious finally became obvious.
Last night was such a result.

Now, what will Jack do ? Deje vu all over again.

 

[EPC FAN]

So you are disagreeing with my premise that most head coaches cannot see who the better QB is? I can provide a ton of examples. I agree Kelly had empathy for Zaire but that still adds to my premise Only a few coaches can see a John Huarte
Devine could not see Montana Lou could not see McDougal who was a better QB than Powlus by far Powlus had to get hurt And Kelly stayed with Golson too long and went with Zaire when he should have gone with Kizer

With the benefit of hindsight, all decisions are easy.

 

[Legendsteve]

5 wasted offensive series cost ND this game.

 

[perseverare]

this loss was a long time in design. The flawed decisions and plans were apperent, if you read or observed.

 

[scotchirishblood]

This is 100% on the defense, and lack thereof.

Yep!

 

[perseverare]

ok, time to turn the board over to the 'spin doctors' we will now enter the Twilight Zone!

wash-repeat-wash-repeat

(kind of sad, that they can't use the injury excuse; the usual fallback)

 

[NIN Irish]

It is almost pointless to make points now: Occams Razor.

Weis beat SDSU in an embarrassing effort, but in victory, the obvious finally became obvious.
Last night was such a result.

Now, what will Jack do ? Deje vu all over again.

You said this with your new handle, legend Steve.. What a joke you are.

 

[Legendsteve]

Thanks Coach Kelly.

 

[mbd11]

It is almost pointless to make points now: Occams Razor.

Weis beat SDSU in an embarrassing effort, but in victory, the obvious finally became obvious.
Last night was such a result.

Now, what will Jack do ? Deje vu all over again.

Kelly's not going anywhere. VanGorder, on the other hand, probably has his days numbered in South Bend.

 

[perseverare]

It would take a courageous decidion to make the change.
And as long as Jack is at ND, Kelly has a home.
The future is here.

To hold BVG soley accountable is a living a lie.
ND will not be a bonafide national major player ; and in truth is slipping.
I try to fathom the notion that 2 six year contracts could play out w/o a even major bowl or NC is quite possible. Has ND held up the 'white flag'?

 

[57Patrick]

IMHO it is silly to discuss replacing Kelly. Now for the adults on this board, the challenge is what has been discussed many times, defensive front four and secondary. Also, major inexperience at the WR position. Offensively, the Irish played well at times. Poor Kelly and Saban. They couldn't decide who their QB should be. Of course, now both know. ND is talented. They went into a hornets nest of 102K for the first game of the season. They fell behind, because they were determined to play man coverage and the WRs from TX won that battle. At 31-14, the Irish could have quit. Teams with character don't quit. The Irish didn't. Character starts at the top of the house (Kelly). Of course, this is just my opinion. Feel free to disagree. That is what makes this board entertaining.

 

[Legendsteve]

Kelly's hands are tied. He does the best he can given the requirements. No other big name coach wants anything to do with ND. As we have seen since Lou was forced out. Remember Bob Davie? Given a 5 year extension and then forced out by big money donors who demanded change. ND's admin understands money. What they didn't understand was coaches talk. No big name coach will follow Kelly thru the door. ND is viewed as a career killer. Look at what happened to Leahy, Ara, Devine and Lou. Bad Mojo.

 

[perseverare]

Kelly's hands are tied. He does the best he can given the requirements. No other big name coach wants anything to do with ND. As we have seen since Lou was forced out. Remember Bob Davie? Given a 5 year extension and then forced out by big money donors who demanded change. ND's admin understands money. What they didn't understand was coaches talk. No big name coach will follow Kelly thru the door. ND is viewed as a career killer. Look at what happened to Leahy, Ara, Devine and Lou. Bad Mojo.

all that plus the reality is he has reached his level of incompetence.

 

[Howard Hall 74]

Interesting how some are beginning to see the real HC and his limitations. We are in for a number of bad and disappointing years. Kelly by mid-season will be viewed by the industry and recruits as a coach who is on the way out. Who continually underachieved, very poorly managed a game and exemplified the Peter Principal. It's going to be tough to change from that environment and perspective. See Weis's last 2 years. Recruiting will be effected. Kelly, I believe, will be gone after next season by mutual agreement. It'll be 8 years of frustration. Swarbrick needs to begin looking and preparing for a change.

 

[88ND]

IMHO it is silly to discuss replacing Kelly. Now for the adults on this board, the challenge is what has been discussed many times, defensive front four and secondary. Also, major inexperience at the WR position. Offensively, the Irish played well at times. Poor Kelly and Saban. They couldn't decide who their QB should be. Of course, now both know. ND is talented. They went into a hornets nest of 102K for the first game of the season. They fell behind, because they were determined to play man coverage and the WRs from TX won that battle. At 31-14, the Irish could have quit. Teams with character don't quit. The Irish didn't. Character starts at the top of the house (Kelly). Of course, this is just my opinion. Feel free to disagree. That is what makes this board entertaining.

I believe Kizer is the reason there was no quit. He tries and will his team to a win. Stanford game same way.

Things are not collapsing but they are much worse than nothing wrong

 

[BGI User 1596]

I believe Kizer is the reason there was no quit. He tries and will his team to a win. Stanford game same way.

Things are not collapsing but they are much worse than nothing wrong

We are very fortunate to have DK - imagine the result without his leadership and play.

 

[Zorich 88]

Think of Lou and Kevin McDougal Think of Devine and Montana. Think of Florida and Chris Leak and Tebow. Point is, only an exceptional coach like an ARA P can “see” the potential of a Qb. Most don’t see how a QB in practice can transition to the game. So I don’t fault Kelly for giving Zaire a chance. Fact is, Zaire was showing his lack of dimension against Virginia and then got hurt. If he kept that play up, he might have been benched.

The BIG CRITICISM tonight is BVG He should be banned from the game and become a stand in for Uncle Rico He sux cant teach cant coach useless

This was one of the dumbest and costly coaching decision that Kelly has made. There is no one that should be defending this terrible decision. DK leads his team to a TD on the first possession of the season. Why then bring in a guy that has not taken a meaningful snap in over a year? Then Kelly starts MZ in the 2nd half when he is clearly uncomfortable in the pocket and is playing a bad game. What has Kelly seen in practice that would make him say the two are equal QB's? If DK plays the whole game ND wins. They would not need to depend on the ref to make the right call on the Hunter play. If DK played we still would have won in spite of the issues on defense.

 

[HRC08]

What about all of the fans that were calling for Zaire all off season? I hate to say I told them so. Deshone Kizer was a star last season and should have been named the starter. Can we atleast agree that when he leads the team to a TD, he gets to start the next series? Ffs! What more does the guy have to do?

 

[88ND]

What about all of the fans that were calling for Zaire all off season? I hate to say I told them so. Deshone Kizer was a star last season and should have been named the starter. Can we atleast agree that when he leads the team to a TD, he gets to start the next series? Ffs! What more does the guy have to do?

I agree 101%
Also, Folston while not a bad back...Adams is just better. Adams vision and speed is elite.
Example. That first long run from Folston ,,,Adams takes that all the way.

If we are going to be at our very best we always need to be playing with our #1A guys.

 

[perseverare]

well, when he commited I said this is a serious prospect. Then After the spring game in '15 I took flak ( sorry 348 but you got me good on that day) when MVG out played him. If Golson does not transfer then MZ probably is #2 and today Kizer is unknown! contemplate that! That is the state of this staff

(out of H.S. Loy rated DK in top 50)!

But, heck I don't go to practice every day. You do not need to be a former player or coach when looking at the obvious.
(a Supreme Court statement by a judge years ago was, 'I don't know the definition of pornography, but I know it when I see it)

 

[HRC08]

I agree 101%
Also, Folston while not a bad back...Adams is just better. Adams vision and speed is elite.
Example. That first long run from Folston ,,,Adams takes that all the way.

If we are going to be at our very best we always need to be playing with our #1A guys.

You're right. That run against Stanford, the cut against the grain for the TD... I watch that often! A thing of beauty!

 

[theskibro]

This was one of the dumbest and costly coaching decision that Kelly has made. There is no one that should be defending this terrible decision. DK leads his team to a TD on the first possession of the season. Why then bring in a guy that has not taken a meaningful snap in over a year? Then Kelly starts MZ in the 2nd half when he is clearly uncomfortable in the pocket and is playing a bad game. What has Kelly seen in practice that would make him say the two are equal QB's? If DK plays the whole game ND wins. They would not need to depend on the ref to make the right call on the Hunter play. If DK played we still would have won in spite of the issues on defense.

Yes Zorro but as much as I want Kelly GONE. I give him rope for this QB call. Saban, Myer and and Strong did the same

There are a zillion reasons to get rid of Kelly. This is not one of them. Better coaches than Kelly have had trouble identifying talent and who the starter qb should be