The NFL and the Spread

[deadirishpoet]

While I was driving from Florida to our home in Nebraska I was listening to theCollege Sports channel.

They discussing the current QB situation with in the NFL and how Hasselback is 4-0 as a starter, and out of the current college QBs that Hogan and Lynch (Memphis if he comes our) are the most NFL ready

Does anyone think the youngmen who play in HS in a pro style offense are being told to avoid Universities that run the spread?

I believe Kizer was pro style QB in HS Does running this offense hurt his NFL chances though it has surly helped the Irish

 

[SALittleGiant513]

The most successful QB's in the NFL have come from Pro Style systems. That being said schools that run traditional pro systems haven't necessarily produced successful QB's consistently - (Bama, LSU, USC, Florida St.). There are going to be exceptions on both sides but I think the biggest thing these young qb's are doing now is looking at whether or not the systems they are going to in college are focusing on the mental side of Qb, multiple reads, line of scrimmage decision making, complexity of the playbook etc.

 

[deadirishpoet]

The most successful QB's in the NFL have come from Pro Style systems. That being said schools that run traditional pro systems haven't necessarily produced successful QB's consistently - (Bama, LSU, USC, Florida St.). There are going to be exceptions on both sides but I think the biggest thing these young qb's are doing now is looking at whether or not the systems they are going to in college are focusing on the mental side of Qb, multiple reads, line of scrimmage decision making, complexity of the playbook etc.

Then did the spread QB kill the NFL?

 

[wicker]

Problem NFL has is finding good pro style QBs with so may colleges running spread.

 

[echowaker]

While I was driving from Florida to our home in Nebraska I was listening to theCollege Sports channel.

They discussing the current QB situation with in the NFL and how Hasselback is 4-0 as a starter, and out of the current college QBs that Hogan and Lynch (Memphis if he comes our) are the most NFL ready

Does anyone think the youngmen who play in HS in a pro style offense are being told to avoid Universities that run the spread?

I believe Kizer was pro style QB in HS Does running this offense hurt his NFL chances though it has surly helped the Irish

here's the thing. very, very few high schools running pro style offenses. i haven't had a qb under center in 3 or 4 years. not necessarily my choice but it's what our head coach wants. in fact we did not play one team this year that went under center. most didn't huddle either. the game has changed for now.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

Kizer will do fine in NFL offenses. Kizer is a pocket passer that can take off when needed.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Problem NFL has is finding good pro style QBs with so may colleges running spread.

Then teams like Stanford has the best shot at getting the QB who strive for the NFL

 

[deadirishpoet]

In fact I delievexSC has changed its offense to more of a pro style and has severed then better

 

[deadirishpoet]

Kizer will do fine in NFL offenses. Kizer is a pocket passer that can take off when needed.

Being under center is not a fundamental you want to learn in the NFL

 

[echowaker]

Being under center is not a fundamental you want to learn in the NFL

i don't disagree but today that's the nature of the beast. it's the exception not the rule.

 

[twalsh]

While I was driving from Florida to our home in Nebraska I was listening to theCollege Sports channel.

They discussing the current QB situation with in the NFL and how Hasselback is 4-0 as a starter, and out of the current college QBs that Hogan and Lynch (Memphis if he comes our) are the most NFL ready

Does anyone think the youngmen who play in HS in a pro style offense are being told to avoid Universities that run the spread?

I believe Kizer was pro style QB in HS Does running this offense hurt his NFL chances though it has surly helped the Irish

I think the spread, and it's various variations, is even more common in high school than it is in college.

 

[deadirishpoet]

here's the thing. very, very few high schools running pro style offenses. i haven't had a qb under center in 3 or 4 years. not necessarily my choice but it's what our head coach wants. in fact we did not play one team this year that went under center. most didn't huddle either. the game has changed for now.

Just curious

How hard would it be to teach them,and at the same time telling them this puts you ahead of the game to get into the NFL?

 

[Granite45]

Coaches will use whatever offense they believe will help them win. How often is a coach renewed because he gets his players better prepared for the NFL compared to winning? As long as the standard for remaining the coach is winning, coaches are satisfying their own agendas first. Why would a college coach make the NFL a priority?

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

I think being in a pro style offense in college better prepares you for the NFL. There have been complaints from GMs and coaches at the NFL about QBs coming from very simple and fast spread offenses having very little football knowledge. I remember one coach commenting that he had a rookie QB from a spread offense that didn't even know what a Mike LB was.

 

[FLballcoach1]

I think being in a pro style offense in college better prepares you for the NFL. There have been complaints from GMs and coaches at the NFL about QBs coming from very simple and fast spread offenses having very little football knowledge. I remember one coach commenting that he had a rookie QB from a spread offense that didn't even know what a Mike LB was.

I saw that complaint about Robert Griffin III, apparently the Baylor offense does not do much by way of sight adjusts and progressions. It was more of pick a guy and let it fly.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Then did the spread QB kill the NFL?

NFL is still going well I would say but because of how hard it is to find elite level NFL QB's the distinction between the haves and have nots when it comes to QB's is much more defined.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

Being under center is not a fundamental you want to learn in the NFL

Lots of NFL teams playing in shotgun formation.

 

[deadirishpoet]

NFL is still going well I would say but because of how hard it is to find elite level NFL QB's the distinction between the haves and have nots when it comes to QB's is much more defined.

Would that also help a college coach get NFL consideration. Coach Kelly (Philadelphia) as good as he was in college fell on his face.

 

[Irishjohn68]

Wonder how often Peyton Manning is under center? If your QB is never under center then play action plays are out the door.

 

[HDK]

Don't laugh me out of here, but I think the terms tossed about are worthless. I think most pro teams play a blend of what we call a pro style offense and a spread--and they have for years. I can't think of any pro team that plays strictly a pro style offense--I'm thinking here of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Alabama (most of the time). I'd change the name to a college style offense.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Wonder how often Peyton Manning is under center? If your QB is never under center then play action plays are out the door.

Manning does go under center and very rarely runs if pressured breaks down, or tight coverage.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Lots of NFL teams playing in shotgun formation.

Playing out of the shot gun is one thing, but you don't see many QBs running out of the formation due to the high risk of injury.

NFL defenders are big and fast and can bring the hurt..

QBs have been playing out of the shot gun since the 80's in college at least. That was known to be a pro style offense. The spread is different.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Would that also help a college coach get NFL consideration. Coach Kelly (Philadelphia) as good as he was in college fell on his face.

Kelly won 10 games each of the first 2 years. His gm abilities are poor and you can see it in personnel decisions he has made. He biggest issue though is QB. His best QB has been a past his prime Vick... that's not a top 12 QB, neither was foles or badford or Sanchez. I think ultimately the lack of "pro ready/pro style" qbs could lead to more college coaches getting looks but it's doubtful. I think the more desirable choice is get a good pro coach and pray you can develop a good qb. At least that seems better then getting a good college coach and hoping he can help a bad NFL qb succeed at the pro level using college concepts.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Playing out of the shot gun is one thing, but you don't see many QBs running out of the formation due to the high risk of injury.

NFL defenders are big and fast and can bring the hurt..

QBs have been playing out of the shot gun since the 80's in college at least. That was known to be a pro style offense. The spread is different.

Dip the speed and quickness of pro players is making the need for mental aspects, i.e. coverage/blitz recognition, progression reads, and pregame perpetuation more important then ever. College offenses don't necessarily provide training in those areas.

 

[Bodizephax]

Sid Luckman was a dual threat QB that ended up in the hall of fame. Same as it ever was.
Deshone Kizer reminds me of Sid.

 

[HDK]

Syd Luckman was a dual threat QB that ended up in the hall of fame. Same as it ever was.
Deshone Kizer reminds me of Syd.

what a great photo