Oh and I just recalled... I posted on this board comments from Kiffin that some coaches were actually hoping to bypass the SEC championship game and just take the bye instead of trying to get a higher seed. What does that tell you?
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That they didn't want to lose and miss out on playing in the CFP
So that would go to my point, not yours. Take the easier path. Sit out the conf champ game and guarantee your spot in the playoff instead of taking the challenge and harder route of possibly losing and missing out in the CFP
You just made my point and didn't realize it. Instead of choosing the harder more competitive route, teams have talked a out sitting out so they can lock in their spot.
I think that went over your head
You started with the insults than have the nerve to cry about me insulting you
That's something right there. Very impressive.
Yes the coaches care about seeding. I've gave numerous examples in all sports. You're logic is ridiculous
Your point was everyone prefers the easier path. You're not doing that when you sacrifice a chance at the higher seeds.
Based on the feedback you get from multiple posters. You do a pretty good job of embarrassing yourself.
Coaches care about seeding, but you just now stated that it's the easier path to sit out of the conference championship game? Lol. That's a contradiction.
Yes what Lane was saying is if he sits out he is guaranteed a spot in the CFP. And if he plays he may get knocked out
So he is saying he would rather sit out. You don't understand that do you? He is taking the easier path
No 1 seed in the NCaa tournament is giving up their 1 seed to be a 16 because it would be more of a challenge.
I know that's hard for you to comprehend
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I'm applying your logic to his statement and pointing out the contradiction. You can't say coaches care about seeding when there's evidence of coaches sacrificing seeding.
He's taking the easier path instead of the more challenging path. That was the argument from the beginning. I said coaches would prefer the easier path. You defied logic and disagreed. And Lame would be taking the easier path instead of the challenge.
Win and you could move up. Lose and you could be out. Or, the debate that is going on, to sit out and lock in your spot and don't take the risk. That's what he is saying. Don't take the challenge, choose to sit out and you are locked in rather than the chance of losing
I dont care what Kiffin's reasoning is and for all I know you're right. However, i think it's incredibly arrogant of you to speak for him. Whatever Kiffin's reason is for doing this, it contradicts your comment that coaches care about seeding.
No it doesn't. He wants to be seeded rather than unseeded.
If I'm wrong and you think coaches don't care about seeding apparently, do you think the 1 seed in college bball would give up their spot to be a 16? Here comes the ignorant uhh duhh I don't know what a coach would want and you play dumb
You're never going to change my mind on this. I'm not going to change yours. I'm going to agree to disagree and move on
It's the playoff. It's supposed to be tough. You play who they tell you to play. There is no choice. I prefer sausage on my pizza but I'll certainly eat the one with pepperoni. That's a choice.
Okay once again, for all I know you're right. I don't care what the reason is. The point is you complaining about ND getting screwed with the #7 seed and you don't understand as a non-competitor that seeding doesn't matter. And after this conversion with you, yeah it would be hard for you to understand that. No one showed you how to compete. And honestly, I feel bad that didn't happen. Might be something for you to think about. Never in my life as an athlete or a coach, do I think that I won or lost because of seeding.
He doesn't understand team sports and competition at all. In any tournament format no team gets a choice. Of course from a personal standpoint players and or coaches may prefer to play a specific opponent. It's not relevant though. They know they have no influence whatsoever on the selection process. He doesn't handle dissenting opinions well at all.
But what does it MATTER when there is no chance of having any influence in the decision making ? You get what you get. Happy? Great you still have to play the game. Disappointed ? Boo hoo you still have to play the game. A coaches preference in the agreed to format is meaningless.
This first twelve team playoff clearly demonstrated the flaw of having the conf champs guaranteed a top four seeding. Oregon wins and has a much harder path to the championship than the loser, Penn St. Eliminate the conference champ guarantee and pick the top twelve teams, and seed accordingly.
But he's making a choice. That choice is not available to him in the CFP format. If they vote you in they tell you when and where and against who.
No argument there. It's not gonna happen, but I've been saying repeatedly I want to see no conference champ games, a 16 team playoff just based on ranking. No tie-ins or stipulations, as to who gets in.
Yeah your comment was ignorant. I'm not surprised. I've competed my whole life. Never had anything given to me on sports or life. Worked hard for everything I've gotten. As an athlete, coach and in my profession.
Because you can't concept an idea that to you means I don't want to compete. Which is just an ignorant and honestly not very smart thought
I would compete with Chiefs if that was what had to be done. But in the NC, the option is to play the Kansas City Chiefs or the Oregon Ducks, I'm picking the Oregon Ducks to play against. I dont understand why that is hard for you to comprehend. It's very weird
I know that whole thing went over your head and again, not surprised.
Exactly. MF is going to play whoever is in front of him and give it his all and every competitor should and would. Bring it on. Let's go
Doesn't mean he wouldn't rather be sitting in the 6 spot. And that was the whole point
No shit. Everyone knows that. That wasn't the point
If they told MF he had to play the 86 Bears he and every competitor would say let's go let's compete.
We all know that. That is not the point
If that's true, then you should understand a true competitor doesn't care about seeding. And I honestly hope what you said about yourself is true.
See that's where lose the argument in my opinion. You'd prefer to play Oregon, fair enough. Do you get to make that choice ? No, so it's a silly point to make and has no relevance. The #7 seed is not going to change the attitude of the ND team going forward. The approach will be the same regardless of where they were seeded. I can remember playing and coaching in high school waiting for playoff pairings to be announced. Everyone had preferences on opponents and they varied. We also knew
our preferences didn't matter one iota.
The point is you think preferences matter. They don't in this case as they're not relevant.
I like the Power conferences getting a bye. It’s hard to tell sometimes between the #4 and #5.
Boise State or a G5 should just be allowed the #12 at best unless there are two G5’s that have truly earned a top 12 ranking. Nothing more. The schedule disparity is too great.
Then reseed after each round. No bracket.
Bullshit. You compete with anyone but you absolutely care about your seedings and matchups. If a coach says different he is lying. Honestly I don't care if you believe me or not
You are correct. They don't matter because they have no choice. There's nothing that could be done. You play and compete with anyone the committee says you do. No shit everyone knows that.
See you missed the point again. That was never the point. You missed the debate
Call it bullshit all you want, but as I stated when you talk to the winners of the game, consistently they've said seeding doesn't matter. I provided a long post supporting that. And my own personal lived experience, as an athlete and a coach only affirms that.
And if you don't care if I believe you or not. Then why post?
That’s a natural statement coming from the winner, who has already run the gauntlet
But the fact remains that seeding is critical because there’s an inherent advantage for lower seeded teams, built into the structure of the playoff.
Did you want to play Tiger Woods in the first round ……… or # 8, 16, 32 or 64
One only has to look at March Madness to see the value in seeding
Because you tried to insult me multiple times and I'm going to respond on it.
I followed sports my whole life and the couple you said may say that but the actions of teams throughout sports history says otherwise
Baseball teams play for that 1 seed. They play to get a home game if they are the wild card instead of going on the road. The overwhelming majority of teamsin NFL history fight for that 1 seed all the way up to week 17. Playing their qb and starters week 17 if they need to clinch. Very very rarely do they not. College basketball team want that 1 seed. Oregon could have rested their players and just went the harder route as the 5 with a loss. They played because they wanted that 1 seed and to get that bye. Why the hell do you think these powerhouse college football teams schedule fcs games and cupcakes. Is that the most challenging game? Get the hell out of here. They want to win and give them the best chance to make a playoff. Alabama didn't schedule Mercer because it was the most challenging option. They wanted a guaranteed win. Saban scheduled an FCS team every single year. To say he's not competitive for taking the easier win is absolutely ludicrous. He tried putting his team in best position to win a NC
You want the best seed and more importantly the best matchups to give your team the best opportunity to win. If someone tells you otherwise, they are lying
Bingo
No 1 seed is giving up the 1 spot to become a 16 seed to make it more challenging
The point he is trying to make is ridiculous
Golf isn't a sport and has nothing to do with this conversation.
March madness is an example of value in seeding? How many times have we seen the top seeded teams lose to a lowly seeded team?
You’re uninformed
Golf has everything to do with this conversation, amateur golf tournaments typically they have have two stages.
Stage one is qualifying
Stage two is seeding based upon your qualifying score.
The player with the lowest score plays the player with the highest score
The advantage to the lower seeds is significant !
To answer your second question, VERY RARELY, that’s why they’re called upsets because the lower seeded team is favored due to their overall superiority
Exceptions don’t make the rule
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I'm just curious how often do you feel insulted on this board? My guess is a lot, as you can't resist ending the conversation even after you say you're done. Doesn't that tell you that you might be the problem? Maybe you just don't know how to talk to people.
As stated earlier, regular season is a different animal than the playoffs. I never said anything about regular season scheduling and who you play in the regular season. No one has any idea who will be a tough opponent on their schedule 5 years from now, as schedules made far in advance. Yes, schools do schedule FCS teams and I think that's cowardly. I'm including ND in that category for doing that w/ Tennessee state. You play who's on your schedule and fight to get in and focus on whomever is next in the playoffs. You can't compare the 2.
I find it incredibly arrogant of you, that you can absolutely know that someone is lying without any proof. But hey good for you man.
And w/ just a little online search I found out that about 30% of the time, the lower seed beats the higher seeded team in March Madness. I don't think that is the definition of VERY RARELY.
I post a lot, so I can't recall. Apparently it's important to you that I know what I said. So go ahead and tell me.
