Imagine that he doesn't. It is about individual choices. That's why fans should stop trying to make this decision making process for these players a matter of being an existential crisis for college football.
Sam Hartman - Opting out of Sun Bowl
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Of course you applaud his choice. You didn't wreck your knee and lose athleticism, and you didn't lose millions upon millions. Nor did anyone in your family.
Why should you give a shit.
Mixing apples and oranges are never a good comparison, but just for kicks you know when you're going to be a high pick and it's not at the end of a regular season....why don't you just sit out the rest of the season when have that notion?
Whose to say if he sat out and on his way down the road he was killed in a car accident though he was wearing his seat belt?
True enough, I suppose. It is definitely a thing. Chances are the vast majority wouldn't get injured if they played.
Just sayin'....
Some players do. It's a business decision. I don't see why people can't simply respect it as that.
You need to stop sayin. That's the problem. You keep sayin, but plenty have been trying to tell you that what you are sayin isn't worth sayin. Just sayin.
When you come from an environment where team is a stable, and then you see others who use the words like battling, brotherhood, yelling im a soldier, fighting through it, camaraderie, ect, ect, and the me and mine take centerstage, and those like me hum I thought you were a teammate 5 min ago did know you feel bad about those you fought with
Says the ****ing idiot who has no comprehension of what I was talking about.
You think I'm an idiot beause you can't comprehend my career where you had to be a team player.. All those things those cats tell each other is what we lived by
You did not quit, or the team would make you pay before we threw you out.
Such a shallow mind making bold texts ignorant of the conversation
So you are definitely a troll, then. I guess that was pretty obvious....
Michael Mayer opting out did not bother me a year ago, does not bother me today. Same with Isaiah Foskey.
Same with Joe Alt. Same with Blake Fisher. Same with Audric Estime.
You are trying to conflate things. Since it is a brotherhood, then a player's teammates should, and do, understand when it's time to move on to the next thing. NFL players don't hold it against each other when one holds out for a contract. The owners tried to get that to become a locker room issue, but the players understand that any one of them could be in the same position at some point. Same thing with a player who makes A BUSINESS DECISION to opt out.
I don't see any players, on any platform, making an issue of this. It's fans who can't grasp the concept of A BUSINESS DECISION.
You go about being a troll's ass and you are trying to call out someone else for being a troll?
You are just like the politician who does the very things he complains to be fighting against. There's a word for that: HYPOCRITE.
I agree with you Mike. CFB has left fans like you and me behind. It's basically pay for play masquerading as amateur sports.
The time to move on when the season is over.
NFL players don't hold it against each other when one holds out for a contract?
You are stoned if you think thats true. Not every NFL player is in a position they can hold out. I would say 95% of the players in the NFL will never be in a position to where they can hold out.
How do you know there aren't anyone in the college ranks making an issue if this?
It's the Fans (aka customer) who pays for all this should just shut up and sit down right?
And me aswell which will cost them later the masquerade is over
Time to focus on how to save high-school sports
Makes sense. Those guys are all 1st or 2nd day NFL draft picks. Hartman….no. He should be playing.
True statement abut the fans paying for all this. I'm not sure where that fits in the grander equation, but we're definitely entitled to blather on the internet if we want.
Why should he be playing since just about everyone here says he is garbage?
Frankly I have no problem with it.
This is not a playoff game just a bowl game which is not all that important to the individual players.
A bowl game can be useful for YOUNG players to get more practice and game time in.
Which is what we need to use this bowl game for.
Frankly I have no problem with it.
This is not a playoff game just a bowl game which is not all that important to the individual players.
A bowl game can be useful for YOUNG players to get more practice and game time in.
Which is what we need to use this bowl game for.
You're full of shit. Sam Hartman can do as he damn well pleases as it relates to his professional future, just like his teammates can. He doesn't owe you, me, or Notre Dame anything if he believes that sitting out the bowl game is best for his professional future.
Imagine if Joe Montana had opted out of the '79 Cotton Bowl - the "Chicken Soup" game. That was one of his legendary games.
Neither team was in the running for the national title.
Although reportedly Hartman was going to play if the bowl had been a better bowl. And perhaps all the other missing offensive starters impacted his decision as well. Who knows.
Neither team was in the running for the national title.
Although reportedly Hartman was going to play if the bowl had been a better bowl. And perhaps all the other missing offensive starters impacted his decision as well. Who knows.
Name one situation where a player's teammates have made an issue out of him holding out.
CFB players never question teammates for individual decisions regarding the NFL and their professional future. Ever. At any school.
If you can find a link where a CFB player questions or criticizes a teammate for opting out, please send it.
I have never seen one.
Ever.
Well considering this is a new phenomenon it will come out. To think it's all "Kum ba yah" is ludicrous.
Those leaving for supposed better times effect those who don't have that opportunity and this moment is there better time.
That's human nature,
Now there are players from past seasons who don't like it, and who better to know the difference than them
Those leaving for supposed better times effect those who don't have that opportunity and this moment is there better time.
That's human nature,
Now there are players from past seasons who don't like it, and who better to know the difference than them
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I asked you to name a situation where it was known to be an issue. You have to know of one because you are talking about opting out as giving up on teammates.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around does it make a sound?
How the stupid love to use analogies they think are so clever, but really just show a lack of understanding for the situation.
All you had to say is that just because we don't hear about it doesn't mean it's not happening. The problem is that IT'S NEVER BEEN REPORTED ONCE AS BEING AN ISSUE. No, you will not gaslight me into believing that this has actually been a problem in college football locker rooms, but it's been kept hush hush every single time.
