QB’s, could it be that superior pro style HS QB’s
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Nope. Typically they're the smarter ones. Just bad recruiting.
Then why haven’t they been coming to ND for decades ?
If your goal is to play on Sunday why attend a college where you have to attend class, study snd make grades when you can coast and just focus on football somewhere else.
Please let an intelligent poster who knows something about football reply.
That would exclude you, so don’t bother replying.
Thanks
So we get NFL players at every position but we dont get QBs because of our rigorous academics
And QBs are usually the smartest players on the team. Definitely one of the smartest positon groups on the roster
Yet Stanford got Andrew Luck.
You're just so freaking dumb
Part of what you say is true. There are certainly kids at every position on the football field, including QB, who want the easiest path to the NFL, and that definitely is not Notre Dame, where you have to attend class and strive to graduate, no athletic dorms, and while on campus you are housed with the normal student body, many of which are Uber smart.
That said, there are enough high end football players who want what Notre Dame offers, and to your point, that includes high end QB’s, like a CJ Carr.
There’s a huge difference that you wouldn’t understand, between every other position and QB’s
Pro-Style QB’s who aspire to play on Sunday’s don’t gravitate toward option or RPO style offenses which had been Kelly’s style.
Stanford got Andrew Luck when ND was 3-9:under Charlie Weis in 2007.
If you had a brain you would have known that.
Luck never considered ND despite being Catholic, probably due to Weis being 3-9.
I believe that ND’s location May also be a factor.
Miami and Los Angeles would seem to be preferable locations versus South Bend
And, does the perception that ND might be a “religious“ school also factor in the decision
Right...so it has nothing to do with academic rigors
Exactly what I said..
Thank you
Right, you’re the only moron on the planet that thinks that ND’s higher academic standards aren’t an impediment to recruiting talented players.
You’re so stupid that you don’t remember making that very statement on another thread
Have someone who knows something about football explain to you that the “style” factor doesn’t exclude the “academic” factor. !
It is an impediment. There are elite HS recruits who aren’t remotely interested in Notre Dame’s academic standards after they arrive on campus.
# 3 ?
What’s our ranking at the QB position ?
Just admit that you don’t possess the football IQ that would allow you to understand the issue and that you don’t believe that ND’s higher academic standards are an impediment to recruiting more talented players.
Didn't you advocate for lowering ND’s academic standards so that ND could recruit more talented players In another thread ?
Yet our graduation is always top 5 in the country and over 90%
With a top 15 recruiting classes every single year that's only going to get better
No.
And the academic standards have nothing to do with our qb recruiting
Its all about evaluating and development
Crist 5 star
Golson 4 star
Zaire 4 star
Kiel 5 star
Kizer 4 star
Wimbush 4 star
Jurkovek 4 star
Buchner 4 star
Pyne 4 star
Carr 5 star
Yeah huge impediment.
Evaluate better, coach better
Not many schools have that run over a 10 year period. We're top 10 in qb recruiting yet not near top 10 in actual qb results
You have me mixed up with someone else.
There’s a reason Notre Dame does not out recruit Alabama or Ohio State. Not last year, not this year, not next year. Because they can’t recruit anyone with a pulse.
Ask Urban Meyer why he turned down Notre Dame for Florida.
Because it was easier to recruit and win there.
No shit.
Doesn't mean it can't be done.
Need a head coach that is a dynamic recruiter and willing to put in the work.
Results, number 3 class right now.
In 3 years, the myth that you can't recruit big time players will be gone
No one ever said you can’t recruit. But recruit like Alabama? Basically a football factory. A pipe dream.
You dont have to recruit like Alabama
Clemson never did. We can recruit like we are this year and add a top QB and we can compete jyst about any year
Yeah, maybe start by not whiffing completely at QB.
Or is that Brian Kelly’s fault as well.
It is. Buchner Pyne Angeli
3 whiffs. This class isn't signed so we don't know who the qb will be yet
5 star CJ Carr next year
Was there anything memorable about Kizer's 2 years of starting aside from going 4-8 one season? How long did he last in the NFL?
You are correct. But being the QB @ ND will also open doors. I didn’t realize Pyne was a 4 star recruit.
No, it's just bad recruiting. If we landed a good QB, this team would soar to new levels. We just haven't landed anyone good. It's all lazy recruiting. We recruit every position well, so the location, academic, etc. arguments just don't apply. If/when we land a real QB, we will have a valid shot at the NC. It's just a matter of getting someone. Pyne is 5'9 with a short arm. Buchner is a run first/fragile QB with a weird side-arm motion, inconsistent delivery, and frankly terribly inaccurate. He bombed the Elite 11 for a reason and likely never was a high upside kid. We simply need a good QB and he will excel like nobody else. The team is built, the weapons are coming in. It's built, he just needs to come.
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Kizer started for an NFL team in his rookie year even though he came out a year early.
That’s beyond impressive snd an indication that he was a highly talented QB
While quarterback at Notre Dame gets great exposure nationally through its games on TV, there is little talk about them on ESPN, even when they are relatively good. Times have changed. When I was at ND, Terry Hanratty even made the cover or Time Magazine. Today there is very little talk pre-season or during season about the ND quarterback position. Nevertheless, we could still luck out and get an unknown quarterrback like Maes at North Carolina, who may even have to go to class.
I think its a lot of factors
There is no doubt that any person with a brain understands the high academic standards plays a part; when was the last really great QB that went to Northwestern? Vanderbilt? Etc.
South Bend is not Florida or Southern California; another factor. Both in weather and frankly living conditions.
BUT at the same time we have gotten extremely high rated QB recruits in the past and virtually EVERY ONE OF THEM did not live up to it once here.
THEREFORE, it seems development, etc is the PRIMARY problem.
There is no doubt that any person with a brain understands the high academic standards plays a part; when was the last really great QB that went to Northwestern? Vanderbilt? Etc.
South Bend is not Florida or Southern California; another factor. Both in weather and frankly living conditions.
BUT at the same time we have gotten extremely high rated QB recruits in the past and virtually EVERY ONE OF THEM did not live up to it once here.
THEREFORE, it seems development, etc is the PRIMARY problem.
I would think QB would not be one of the positions where academic requirements are a problem.
And ND gets very good players at the other ones so that kinda ends the theory in the Hypothesis phase.
It is interesting how time has morphed the celebrity associated with being the QB at ND.
Sone seem to resent success
And I think some are envious of a clean program
That would depend upon your ultimate goal.
If that’s the NFL and you’re a talented QB, do you want to take the easy path or the more difficult path ?
How about the thousands that agree with my assessment ?
The law of large numbers is on my side !
