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anyone have any thoughts on his actions with the caddy in Mexico ? not a golfer but have many friends who are. most think he did himself more harm than good just to save some money. most doubt he would have ever tried the same thing here at home.
yep. for all the good the internet and social media can do i think it does more harm in the long run.Not versed on this. U r probably right. But don’t care
The main point here imo is how f uped the world is. U can’t piss without someone telling what color it is
It’s nobodys business. And I wish more people would disown the age of internet and social media and return to being civil
Avid golfer with a brother that has played professionally. If what Kuchar said is true then I'm fine with what he did. Agreed on 3k ended up paying him 5k and offered and additional 15k. A pro caddie would have made anywhere from 50-100k (before taxes) if their player won. Kuch didn't go and get a pro caddie, he got a local caddie that typically makes $200 a day. You have to pay more for higher level caddies, comes with the territory. The caddie most likely did FAR FAR FAR less to help kuch win the tournament. He probably just carried bag, fixed divots, raked bunkers, and cleaned clubs/balls. Even being a local, I doubt he even helped read greens. Pros typically really need to trust someone to let them help read greens.anyone have any thoughts on his actions with the caddy in Mexico ? not a golfer but have many friends who are. most think he did himself more harm than good just to save some money. most doubt he would have ever tried the same thing here at home.
Uniformed opinion. Kuch is a great guyIt did suck though! I hope he never wins another tourney.
Not versed on this. U r probably right. But don’t care
The main point here imo is how f uped the world is. U can’t piss without someone telling what color it is
It’s nobodys business. And I wish more people would disown the age of internet and social media and return to being civil
Think he does the same if the tournament was in the United States ? the golfers i know don't think so.Uniformed opinion. Kuch is a great guy
Kuchar didnt win any events last year with a 'pro' caddy.... maybe he should stick with this guy?... if anything just for good luck....Avid golfer with a brother that has played professionally. If what Kuchar said is true then I'm fine with what he did. Agreed on 3k ended up paying him 5k and offered and additional 15k. A pro caddie would have made anywhere from 50-100k (before taxes) if their player won. Kuch didn't go and get a pro caddie, he got a local caddie that typically makes $200 a day. You have to pay more for higher level caddies, comes with the territory. The caddie most likely did FAR FAR FAR less to help kuch win the tournament. He probably just carried bag, fixed divots, raked bunkers, and cleaned clubs/balls. Even being a local, I doubt he even helped read greens. Pros typically really need to trust someone to let them help read greens.
My point is, this guy probably did less than he typically does on a daily basis and made $5K and could have accepted an additional $15k. The issue is people now in his ear saying pro caddies typically make 5-10%. That's true, but he's not a pro caddie, and he didn't do what a pro caddie does.
anyone have any thoughts on his actions with the caddy in Mexico ? not a golfer but have many friends who are. most think he did himself more harm than good just to save some money. most doubt he would have ever tried the same thing here at home.
Many points to be made, just depends on what side of the coin you want to stand on -- basically, he made a deal with a local caddie, they agreed on a price and he paid above that (and offered more). Maybe at the time of the "agreement" something could have been arranged if he won the tournament as well.
That said, I am sure after the tournament was over, many "locals" were in his ear about getting more. He (the caddie) agreed to the amount, and as others have said, was probably much more than he would have made elsewhere. If he wanted more, he should have taken the additional amount offered. Overall, sounds like it was a normal, arms length transaction that BOTH parties mutually agreed to.
If he grabbed a joe schmo caddie that had never caddied in a professional event, yes.Think he does the same if the tournament was in the United States ? the golfers i know don't think so.
uninformed again............ he offered $20K but only $5k was accepted.Got to love Golfers.... 95% of them grew up completely privileged on the local Country Club with the silver spoon in their hands......
Guy wins what $1.2MM and throws out 5 g-birds.... less than half of 1%!
$15k seems like a pretty good tip to carry someones bag. The guy didn't do yardages, club selection, green reading.No doubt on paper he did nothing wrong. Reason he comes across as a tool is because you have to ask yourself what you would do in that situation? You just won over $1MM and it is your biggest win in years (lots of L's with pro caddies).... if it was me... I am tipping him good and asking him what he is doing next weekend (or whenever the next tournament is). . . I don't know if Golf has Karma Gods like baseball does.... but if they do they are not happy with him...
to be fair he only offered the 20k after he started getting some heat. had he done it after he won i doubt there would be much if anything said. its a bad look regardless.uninformed again............ he offered $20K but only $5k was accepted.
uninformed again............ he offered $20K but only $5k was accepted.
What did other caddies make who did the exact same job but their player lost?do you have a link that says when he offered the additional $15k. Doesn't change my opinion but all i've seen is it says he paid $5k and subsequently offered and additional $15k.
Answer this, does the caddie take the same deal if offered again?
He should just walk across the unprotected Southern border and get a job caddying in California with the full perks.I think most people are missing this main point here. Huge difference between what a tour caddie does vs what was required of this caddie. He had next to no influence on matt winning the event.
Yeah man this is not it. Kucher is a public figure, being a public figure and profiting off of his position in the public makes him completely susceptible to criticism by the public. I do agree that for more common/private people the internet and social media have changed the dynamic in a way that I am not sure is positive.Not versed on this. U r probably right. But don’t care
The main point here imo is how f uped the world is. U can’t piss without someone telling what color it is
It’s nobodys business. And I wish more people would disown the age of internet and social media and return to being civil
uninformed again............ he offered $20K but only $5k was accepted.
Avid golfer with a brother that has played professionally. If what Kuchar said is true then I'm fine with what he did. Agreed on 3k ended up paying him 5k and offered and additional 15k. A pro caddie would have made anywhere from 50-100k (before taxes) if their player won. Kuch didn't go and get a pro caddie, he got a local caddie that typically makes $200 a day. You have to pay more for higher level caddies, comes with the territory. The caddie most likely did FAR FAR FAR less to help kuch win the tournament. He probably just carried bag, fixed divots, raked bunkers, and cleaned clubs/balls. Even being a local, I doubt he even helped read greens. Pros typically really need to trust someone to let them help read greens.
My point is, this guy probably did less than he typically does on a daily basis and made $5K and could have accepted an additional $15k. The issue is people now in his ear saying pro caddies typically make 5-10%. That's true, but he's not a pro caddie, and he didn't do what a pro caddie does.
He did treat him as a pro, but you don't PAY someone that isn't a pro a pro rate. It's dumb. I watched some of the tournament, the caddie was not doing all the duties of a typical pro caddie.This isn’t true either.
The caddie was well known at that course & was purposely chosen by Kucher for that reason.
If you specifically choose a person based on their expertise, you should treat them as a pro, because they are that week.
Everything in my statement was true yet you claim it wasn't true. He paid him $5k, he offered him additional money bringing the total to $20k and it wasn't accepted. Everything I said is TRUE. I didn't say anything about when he offered the additional money. Don't turn into the fake fact checkers.No true.
He gave him an envelope with $5k & said “goodbye.”
Then when the caddie did the interview about it Kucher’s people contacted him & offered $15k more after the fact.
Just to add to this: was listening to Rome & then another talk show while on my run who had a guy from the Golf Channel who confirmed that he & multiple people saw Kucher & the caddie take the winner’s picture, saw Kucher hand him the envelop, then say goodbye to him & just walk away. And in the envelop was $5k.
The link is here.do you have a link that says when he offered the additional $15k. Doesn't change my opinion but all i've seen is it says he paid $5k and subsequently offered and additional $15k.
Answer this, does the caddie take the same deal if offered again?
hahahaha....uninformed again............ he offered $20K but only $5k was accepted.
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Someone has to respond to Perse for the love of god. MK didn't do anything wrong per se. There was an agreement made, it was not an agreement that would have been made in America on the tour but the reality is that the caddy involved was not one on the tour. MK does not have an obligation to be kind to the caddy or care about the caddy outside of the agreement that had. Does MK look cheap and/or like a dick, sure. Does being cheap and looking like a dick mean that he owed the caddy anything more then the agreement? Naw... Perse stop crying.MK had an opportunity. But he was self centered, insensitive, uncaring....
A poster above mentioned, opportunity todo akindness was ignored, or rebuked.
Then MK tried to explain it away! 1,300,000 ! 50k and MK would not even notice-it gone!
But a family would have a real positive life Event!
Victimization mentality intensifiesSomeone has to respond to Perse for the love of god. MK didn't do anything wrong per se. There was an agreement made, it was not an agreement that would have been made in America on the tour but the reality is that the caddy involved was not one on the tour. MK does not have an obligation to be kind to the caddy or care about the caddy outside of the agreement that had. Does MK look cheap and/or like a dick, sure. Does being cheap and looking like a dick mean that he owed the caddy anything more then the agreement? Naw... Perse stop crying.
Perse is always a victim in his own mind so he stands up for fake victims. Hopefully something with happen with USC tomorrow and he can focus on that.Victimization mentality intensifies