Then MJ returned, and three straight titles were won.
Your bullshit narratives regarding MJ and LeBron are comedy.
OT: Death, Taxes and Lebron James
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Your bullshit narratives regarding MJ and LeBron are comedy.
It wasn't a bull shit narrative. You're just too defensive and sensitive. The Bulls were still really good without MJ. So the best player in the world joined a really good team. Yeah of course they are going to win Championships. They were one of the best teams without him. Add the best player, duh
You forgot “ever”, “add the best player ever”.
Maybe he built and left behind a really good team, you know built a team from the bottoms up (reminds me of Bron in Miami 😂).
“Joined a really good team”? This was a team that just won 3 straight NBA championships when MJ left And continued that exact trend when MJ returned.
MJ was eons better than anybody that ever existed in getting the most out of his teammates.
That's funny. You must never heard of Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Bill Russell and LeBron James.
MJ didn't get much at all out of his teammates before Pippen and Phil took over. He got them to being swept in the first round.
Jerry Krause did build a good team around Mike there's no debating that. And they were really good without him
“MJ left the Bulls & they won 50 games without him”
Exactly, that’s cuz the east sucked. To say that the bulls team was “really good” w/o Jordan is a stretch too. Who’d they beat w/o Jordan? And if there were any teams 20 games under .500 making the playoffs back in the 80, it was the rare exception and mostly a bi-product of moving from 6 to 8 teams per conference before expansion. You only had to be 8th best out of around 11 or 12 so naturally there will be some bad teams making the playoffs. You think that’s different than now? Most of the higher seeds in the playoffs this year were garbage. It’s rich for the lebrenda worshippers to call the rest of us “sensitive” though. That gave me a laugh.
Exactly, that’s cuz the east sucked. To say that the bulls team was “really good” w/o Jordan is a stretch too. Who’d they beat w/o Jordan? And if there were any teams 20 games under .500 making the playoffs back in the 80, it was the rare exception and mostly a bi-product of moving from 6 to 8 teams per conference before expansion. You only had to be 8th best out of around 11 or 12 so naturally there will be some bad teams making the playoffs. You think that’s different than now? Most of the higher seeds in the playoffs this year were garbage. It’s rich for the lebrenda worshippers to call the rest of us “sensitive” though. That gave me a laugh.
Jordan’s greatness was mostly defined against really good teams in the finals more so than tredging thru a loaded east. Was it as bad as the early Lebron years? I don’t think so, but the east was thin, especially later in his career, the west was very deep.
The West was the weaker of the 2 conferences in MJ's era. His title runs also came during massive expansion (6 teams in 7 years) without the influx of international talent. Lebron beat more Hofers, in prime dynasties, former MVP'S in his 4 titles than MJ in 6. Lebron faced better comp in the Finals than MJ
This thread is titled “Death, Taxes, and LeBron James.”
Again. “Death, Taxes, and LeBron James.”
The OP has a narrative to maintain, that frankly, IMO, is garbage.
But I like the thread.
Michael Jordan, IMO, is the greatest NBA player I have ever watched.
“The West was the weaker of the 2 conferences in MJ's era. His title runs also came during massive expansion (6 teams in 7 years) without the influx of international talent. Lebron beat more Hofers, in prime dynasties, former MVP'S in his 4 titles than MJ in 6. Lebron faced better comp in the Finals than MJ”
No shot, not even close. The lakers, blazers, suns, sonics, jazz & rockets had to beat up each other before getting to Jordan. The west was loaded. Ridiculous to argue that it was even close. Jordan faced worthy, magic, Kareem, Divac, Sam Perkins, Byron Scott & the Lakers. Suns had Barkley KJ & majerle, sonics had kemp, Payton & schrempf. Blazers had drexler porter duckworth, Williams, schrempf, ainge, kersey. Jazz had Malone, Stockton & hornacek. The west was loaded and deep. The east was top heavy.
No shot, not even close. The lakers, blazers, suns, sonics, jazz & rockets had to beat up each other before getting to Jordan. The west was loaded. Ridiculous to argue that it was even close. Jordan faced worthy, magic, Kareem, Divac, Sam Perkins, Byron Scott & the Lakers. Suns had Barkley KJ & majerle, sonics had kemp, Payton & schrempf. Blazers had drexler porter duckworth, Williams, schrempf, ainge, kersey. Jazz had Malone, Stockton & hornacek. The west was loaded and deep. The east was top heavy.
The lakers did not have Kareem when Jordan played them. And Scott had a sprained ankle.
Neither conference was great in the 90s. They had their years were either conference was the better conference. Some years it was the east and some it was the west
Most of those guys you listed are not in hall of fame. KJ, Majerle, Ainge,
Porter, Kersey, Williams, Hornacek, Duckworth, Kersey, Perkins, Kemp, Schrempf
Lebron beat 4 hall of famers on Spurs alone TD top 10, Khawi top 30, Manu & Parker hall of famers just outside top 75 all time
Beat 3 hofer OKC KD top 15, Harden top 30 Westbrook top 40, then Serj was 1st team all D & runner up in DPOY. Plus D Fisher, Sefaloosha & Perkins who were good defenders.
73 win GS 3 Hofers Steph top 15 alltime, Klay & Green.
So Lebron 3 titles he beat 10 hofers and 6 guys in the top 75
MJ 6 titles
Lakers Magic (who was old & had AIDS) & Worthy
Portland Drexler
Phoenix Barkley
Sonics Payton
Jazz Stockton & Malone
Lebron's 3 titles 10 Hall of Famers
MJ's 6 8 (6 if you dont count Stockton & Malone twice
“The lakers did not have Kareem when Jordan played them. And Scott had a sprained ankle.
Neither conference was great in the 90s. They had their years were either conference was the better conference. Some years it was the east and some it was the west”
Kareem must’ve retired the year before but he was shell of himself at that point anyway, but the point still stands that that was a talented lakers team. And there’s no doubt the west was the better conference in the 90s. Seven teams made it to the finals and most were good throughout, and were as good as it gets when said teams played Jordan.
Neither conference was great in the 90s. They had their years were either conference was the better conference. Some years it was the east and some it was the west”
Kareem must’ve retired the year before but he was shell of himself at that point anyway, but the point still stands that that was a talented lakers team. And there’s no doubt the west was the better conference in the 90s. Seven teams made it to the finals and most were good throughout, and were as good as it gets when said teams played Jordan.
Raul, I wasn’t listing hall of famers, I was just listing rosters from memory. Some of those players you listed are borderline, kind of a stretch hall of famers too. & if you're suggesting that draymond green is a future hall of famer, there’s no need to talk about it anymore. I see you’re more of a here and now type guy. That’s fine, I disagree wholeheartedly though.
The lakers weren't very good after Magic retired. From 92 thru 98 they weren't a contender. Mj definitely played the weakest of the Laker teams
Blazers were good up to 94 but after Drexler left they weren't contenders
Suns were good from 93 to like 97 with Barkley. Weren't good without him the other years.
Both leagues had good teams. West was better overall I'd say. But only a couple really great teams throughout that 8 year stretch
12 years in the league with 4 All-Star game appearances. Less than 9 points a game. How is he a hall of famer?
4x NBA Champion
2x Olympic Gold medalist
8x All Defensive teams
2x All NBA
Defensive Player of the Year
3x runner up DPOY
4x all star
1x nba steals leader
Key member of a dynasty
He's getting in the HOF 100 percent
Dennis Rodman is in the HOF and averaged less points and assists a game than Draymond. Now Rodman was a much better rebounder but Dennis easily got in with poor numbers and so will Draymond.
If you watch the game, the stats don't show how great of a player Dennis Rodman or Draymond Green were as basketball players
“The lakers weren't very good after Magic retired. From 92 thru 98 they weren't a contender. Mj definitely played the weakest of the Laker teams
Blazers were good up to 94 but after Drexler left they weren't contenders
Suns were good from 93 to like 97 with Barkley. Weren't good without him the other years.
Both leagues had good teams. West was better overall I'd say. But only a couple really great teams throughout that 8 year stretch”
All those teams the west del’d to the finals were great except the rockets, but they had the best player in the nba those two years. West was deeper, no comparison.
Blazers were good up to 94 but after Drexler left they weren't contenders
Suns were good from 93 to like 97 with Barkley. Weren't good without him the other years.
Both leagues had good teams. West was better overall I'd say. But only a couple really great teams throughout that 8 year stretch”
All those teams the west del’d to the finals were great except the rockets, but they had the best player in the nba those two years. West was deeper, no comparison.
Regardless if you think that or not he's getting in the HOF
Tell me you don't actually watch the games without saying you don't. You said it all with that comment
No not all those teams were "great" certainly not the Blazers team that made the Finals
I did see the defensive accolades and figured he must have been great there.
I’m honestly shocked that Rodman only made two All-Star games.
I’m not trying to win a debate…just talking here:
It seems odd to me that, if someone is such a great defender, wouldn’t you want them on the All-Star team? Otherwise they’re just a player who is great at defense but not a top-tier player overall.
To me, the All-Star game or Pro Bowl says that you are one of the best in the league. If an NBA guy is not good enough to be in the top 14-15 of his conference in a given year (Rodman made it twice in 15 years), how is he good enough to be among the top 5-10 guys selected on a yearly basis to the HOF? That’s not even accounting for the other 14-15 All-Stars from the other conference.
By that measure I don’t think Rodman or Green should be in the Hall. Just my opinion.
Only 12 make the all star team. They may have added a few guys recently but it's been 12 forever.
They were both 2 of the greatest defenders ever and key members to 9 Championship teams between them.
All star teams are for great players yes but also guys who put up great stats.
Draymond greatness is in his defense, versatility, playmaking and leadership. The warriors are not the warriors without him. He was crucial to their success
“Regardless if you think that or not he's getting in the HOF
Tell me you don't actually watch the games without saying you don't. You said it all with that comment”
If he gets in, it diminishes it to basically giving it to average, at best, players. But he may get in, he’s any angry loudmouth, so he’s beloved by the media. Leadership? Lmao.
As for the watching the games comment, that’s just a dumb lazy attack when you’ve got nothing else. When all else fails, question the credibilty of the poster you’re arguing w/, a Golson special.
Tell me you don't actually watch the games without saying you don't. You said it all with that comment”
If he gets in, it diminishes it to basically giving it to average, at best, players. But he may get in, he’s any angry loudmouth, so he’s beloved by the media. Leadership? Lmao.
As for the watching the games comment, that’s just a dumb lazy attack when you’ve got nothing else. When all else fails, question the credibilty of the poster you’re arguing w/, a Golson special.
When you call him average, most overrated player ever, riding coattails it just tells me you were not actually watching the games or you don't understand the game enough. One or the other. Just awful takes by you
If you are going to say it diminishes it, you have to say that about a lot of other players as well who are in. And if so, it is already diminished so who cares
I don’t give a shit what it tells you. You wanna ride the sure fire hall of fame draymond green train, go right ahead. As I said, he may get in cuz he’s a loudmouth, and the media loves that, but there’s no way on earth that draymond green is a hall of famer based on individual talent. He’s average, at best, and has ridden coattails w/ the warriors. And for you to cite leadership is a ****ing joke. Give me a break.
The guys I listed either made the top 75 alltime NBA list (Duncan, Kawhi, KD, Harden,Westbrook, Steph) or
Already in Hall of Fame Manu & Parker
Surefire Hall of Famers Draymond Green 76%, Klay Thompson. 70% Jimmy Butler 73%
I'm just going to be ignorant and not know shit about basketball and not care what any player who played with him or against him would say
"I know more than everyone of those people"
A francade special
Tell me you don't know a thing about basketball without telling me you don't know a thing about basketball
“The guys I listed either made the top 75 alltime NBA list (Duncan, Kawhi, KD, Harden,Westbrook, Steph) or
Already in Hall of Fame Manu & Parker
Surefire Hall of Famers Draymond Green 76%, Klay Thompson. 70% Jimmy Butler 73%”
As I said, the hall of fame has really been downgraded if draymond green has a 75% chance of making it. That’s absurd, imo. & w/ that said, every single player i listed is better than draymond green.
Already in Hall of Fame Manu & Parker
Surefire Hall of Famers Draymond Green 76%, Klay Thompson. 70% Jimmy Butler 73%”
As I said, the hall of fame has really been downgraded if draymond green has a 75% chance of making it. That’s absurd, imo. & w/ that said, every single player i listed is better than draymond green.
“I'm just going to be ignorant and not know shit about basketball and not care what any player who played with him or against him would say
"I know more than everyone of those people"
A francade special
Tell me you don't know a thing about basketball without telling me you don't know a thing about basketball”
If I knew wtf you’re saying, I’d respond.
But I did see that you said I didn’t know shit about basketball again. Golson special to a tee! 👏🏻
"I know more than everyone of those people"
A francade special
Tell me you don't know a thing about basketball without telling me you don't know a thing about basketball”
If I knew wtf you’re saying, I’d respond.
But I did see that you said I didn’t know shit about basketball again. Golson special to a tee! 👏🏻
Yet none of the players you think are better than Draymond are even sniffing the hall of fame. I guess even the Hall of Fame couldnt upgrade MJ 's shit competition enough to fit your narrative.
“Then it's already been downgraded so why do you care”
Well if you’re gonna list hall of famers as a reason why one player is better than another, I think we should explore what a hall of famer means. I’d take every single one of the players that I listed over draymond yet Lebron is getting credit for playing a hall of famer but Jordan doesn’t get credit for beating jeff Hornscek or Dan majerle or Jerome kersey? All of them are better players than draymond. That’s my point. You may disagree & if you do, you’ll say I don’t understand the sport. I get how it goes w/ you.
Well if you’re gonna list hall of famers as a reason why one player is better than another, I think we should explore what a hall of famer means. I’d take every single one of the players that I listed over draymond yet Lebron is getting credit for playing a hall of famer but Jordan doesn’t get credit for beating jeff Hornscek or Dan majerle or Jerome kersey? All of them are better players than draymond. That’s my point. You may disagree & if you do, you’ll say I don’t understand the sport. I get how it goes w/ you.
