Yeah but they were incredibly soft. The culture under Weis was awful.
Navy Game Concerns
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Willingham got fired because Notre Dame got suckered into believing Urban Meyer was coming.
Maybe. How do you know or is that just a theory? Two bad seasons and reportedly wasn’t putting an effort into recruiting. That’s a legitimate cause for firing someone, and maybe he wouldn’t have been fired had he gone 9-2 or 8-3 even if it was true that ND wanted Meyer.
It's a theory, of course, because ND never came out and said anything like that. But if you look at it with an objective eye, it's pretty obvious what was going on. When it backfired and Meyer pocketed an extra million or two from Florida, the fans on this board went into denial mode, saying that Meyer was never actually offered the ND job. They conveniently forgot that he didn't ask for it, either.
A 13 point predicted spread seems a bit hefty. I also will be satisfied with just a win.
It looks like we have a classic "tallest midget" argument here. What about Bob Davie? I think MF is pretty comparable to BD. Two defensive coordinators who got in over their heads.
Not good enough, truth be told. And if Notre Dame does not win out and make the CFB Playoff in year 3, especially not good enough.
He tried comparing him to Bob Davie. He's way better. Of course though you would put him down while praising Chip and Norvell though...
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I like Freeman. A lot. Good dude. But IMO 25-8 isn’t enough.
Agree. The Bob Davis comparison is garbage.
I like Freeman. A lot. Good dude. But IMO 25-8 isn’t enough.
A 12-0 regular season in year 3 is what Brian Kelly accomplished.
It was accomplished because he is a very good CFB head coach.
Yeah he is
But tell the whole story. He was 16 and 10 his first 2 years. And 12 and 1 his third year
After 3 years, he was 28 and 11. That also was not enough
Do you recall the games? Squeaked by (6-7) Purdue. And (8-5) BYU. And (6-7) Pitt. Mich had 5 losses.
Great win at Okie, who then lost 2 more games. Great win with GL stand against Stan
Then killed by Bama. Not the “great” 12-0 you claim.
Because he inherited a 6-6 program…. Freeman inherited a consistent 10+ win program
He clearly had turned the program around
Freeman clearly isn’t an improvement over his predecessor (yet)… he can be, but he isn’t yet
I would rather the talent. 19 and 7 was better than 16 and 10. Especially considering mf was in year 1 as a head coach
Freeman had to learn on the job. That first year, he chose to not bring in a transfer QB, when the QB room was very thin. That ended up backfiring. So then he brought in 2 transfer QBs in a row. But this year, some people think he didn't need to. So there's a learning process, but I do like the general direction of the program, and the great young talent he's brought in, especially on defense.
And he was bad at everything.
Because the schedule in 2009 was just like 2022.
Bringing up he was in year 1 as a HC is trying to give an excuse of why he hasn’t don’t a great job… yet
And that’s why he hasn’t don’t as good of a job, because he’s been learning on the job
No it's a comparison to BK
Mf is now 25 and 8. I think he's done very well so far but not great or not where we want to be
We were comparing him and BK and he was better than BK his first 2 years
We'll see where it goes from there.
You were/are way off when you get drunk and talk about him as a coach. You act like he's incompetent and obviously that's just a ridiculous thing you do when you drink
I think Faust was worse ………… and in several areas
And he was naïve.
Keep telling yourselves that. Faust proved he couldn't coach by his second game; Davie not long after; Willingham by the end of his first season; and Weis by his third season. Only Willingham got fired early, and it wasn't because ND had some mythical standard it was upholding. It was because Urban Meyer's agent floated his name as "available."
They have a narrative for that. Anything can be explained away by certain posters.
BS...they were ready to can him because he stunk and was lazy.
Ty Willingham was a very lazy recruiter. He didn't offer Brady Quinn until after he was given a tip by another recruits father. Brady Quinn would have ended up at Michigan if it wasn't for that.
That's what people like you, who get your news from message boards, which get their news from other message boards, like to believe. Willingham did okay at Stanford, and I think he even had a winning record against Davie. He dragged ND into the mid-1980s by introducing the West Coast offense. He had an ass-backward recruiting philosophy, which I think he brought with him from Stanford, which was to focus narrowly on a small number of prospects. And he obviously did not understand that Notre Dame. unlike Stanford, took its rivalry games seriously.
Notre Dame canned him because they thought they could hire Urban Meyer. Period.
He is incompetent from xs and Os .. that’s obvious.. he hired two great coordinators, so he can be a ceo, what he can be great at
Of course he is incompetent
That's why he's 26 and 8 with ten top 10 wins. Hopefully he keeps it up
