It's only because you can't evaluate film. If you watched his highlights at the elite 11, and watched his sr film, you'd get it
Minchey officially Irish!
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Sorry chaseball, everybody loves this kid. It really is unanimous. And he's only three stars on Rivals, can you possibly imagine??
I figure you like it even better that way, leaving you as the lone voice in the wilderness. To keep it real, soberly carrying the banner for recruiting sabermetrics, while the foolish, fickle masses ooh and aah over his useless highlight reel. It's made to order.....
I figure you like it even better that way, leaving you as the lone voice in the wilderness. To keep it real, soberly carrying the banner for recruiting sabermetrics, while the foolish, fickle masses ooh and aah over his useless highlight reel. It's made to order.....
Minchey's prospect profile has been tweaked for 2 years now. What he's done during those two years in aggregate carries way more weight than one QB competition (elite 11). The view on Minchey's skills is that he's a mid 4-star ranked in the mid-200s same area the industry had Pyne ranked.
But people seem to think their "film" study is more accurate than the rest of the industry that is scouting him and scouting him based on more than just film but the entire package including his performance at camps and his measurables.
Let's just call a spade a spade why do we have to hype this guy up like we landed our plan A five-star stud? Is anybody here actually seen Minchey live, scouted him the way teams of professionals do at ESPN, 24/7, Rivals, etc. and scrutinize over his prospect profile in peer reviews/meetings, etc. ? or are we just being lame homers who can't see the forest for the trees?
I could care less if he was a 2 star or 5 star. I watch the film and try to evaluate myself. Then I listen to people who know the game.
Hes better than Jackson Arnold to me.
He got way better in his sr year. He got hurt but that helped us. He got taller, his arm got stronger. He looks like a top 100 player to me
SI all american is another ranking outlet and they have him 81st overall
SI all american is trash. 24/7 is the industry standard. He's ranked 250th or something on the 24/7 composite which is a consolidated view of all the major big budget scouting services that do prospect evaluations professionally with far more access to the prospects and the resources to boot. Your opinion means jack shit relative to theirs.
Your opinion of me means jack shit to me.
247 ranks him 204 in their own ranking.
And thats not after their sr years
So if they move him up does that all of a sudden make him a better player. No. Hes the same player no matter his ranking
You're a clown. Go crunch your f+ numbers you nerd
Joe Burrow was ranked 280th by 247 comp.
Similar to Drew Pyne
So of course they are the same QB.
Freaking Idiot
Chase. Joe Burrow's ranking at Rivals? 5.6, low three star, not ranked nationally. Whereas 247 had him as 4*, ranked 8 dual QB, 280 National.
People are saying he isn't ranked high enough.
That’s questionable but I think you’re right that he’s arguably that good, maybe better. Reason is evidenced by his tape and elite 11 performance, where John Garcia had him ranked 5th overall based on 3 days competing against him. He seems far more likable in interviews than Dante and also seems to have a better familial structure. He’s certainly a better ND fit.
My point isn't to say that the services don't get it wrong from time to time, my point is that their educated guess is far better than ours.
Chase is smarter than John Garcia and all of SI. Look Chase, SI said he beat Arnold and all the other big names. He also smoked Dante in the accuracy gauntlet, which tests endurance and consistency. That might be more telling than the hype put on Moore. He only played in 4 games I believe this season? He moved up the rankings based on 4 games. Literally watch his tape. Rivals didn’t. Half the people posting here have watched more video on him than Rivals.
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I Thought Tom Lemmings assessment was exactly on point:
”Minchey shows all the tools to become an outstanding pro-style signal-caller at the next level. Has the arm strength, poise, IQ and leadership ability to dominate in college. As accurate as they come, he takes instructions well, shows terrific poise in the pocket and will wait until the last second to deliver a nice, catchable ball.”
I'll say this again, if on a scale of 1-10, Rees is a 7 as a QB coach, any QB that is below a 7 is going to excel up to a 7 and max out there. If a QB that is an 8, 9, or 10 on a scale of 1-10 there's a good chance you'll see regression down to the QB coaches, coaching ability.
I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but like I said I'm not getting overly hyped about any QB. Too many disappointments over the past 12 years.
Crist
Wimbush
Golson
Zaire
PJ
...and the list goes on
How many times have we seen over the past 12 years a highly touted recruit get beat out by a 3 star recruit. I just don't buy the fact that ND missed on every one of these 4 and 5 star recruits. Rees wasn't there for all of them, and that's why i'm still hopeful Rees can get it done.
I get where you’re coming from but the past 12 years has nothing to do with now. Rees wasn’t here. Weis is gone. We know why PJ left. He’s a pussy. Kelly is gone. Not a soul left from that era besides Swarbrick. All Rees has done is coach Book, Coan, and Pyne.
And that's what gives me hope, but until i see it translate on the field, I'm not going to get hyped up.
The homerism on this site cracks me up, including the hack local ND media guys who drive these narratives.
When it is convenient to our point, we are all about the 24/7 composite. When we need to make an argument for a guy who is ranked low, we readily dismiss the 24/7 composite. Where's the intellectual integrity in that?
We got a 15th ranked QB prospect in the 23 class after shooting for a couple of top 5 prospects at the position (guys who ultimately went elsewhere). But we can't just leave it at that, we got to hype up this prospect like he's our #1 guy all along and the savior of ND football despite there being no evidence for it. It's silly as all hell.
We got a 15th ranked (composite), mid to low 4 star recruit ranked in the mid 200s on aggregate. Unless someone here spends more money and time and experience on scouting/recruiting than the combined efforts of 24/7, Rivals, and ESPN, then the 24/7 composite is the authoritative resource by default. Not anybody's individual isolated opinion, not the homers at Irish Breakdown or the painfully biased fans on this site.
Is it possible Minchey develops into a nice piece a few years down the road? Sure. But guys ranked where Minchey is ultimately don't end up taking a whole lot of first-team reps at the CFB playoff/NY6 level on aggregate. Is it possible Minchey is the rare diamond in the rough? Sure but that is the case for EVERY QB in the '23 class. What makes NDs chances of hitting on a sleeper star QB any more likely than the other teams signing 3 & 4 star QBs in this class?
When it is convenient to our point, we are all about the 24/7 composite. When we need to make an argument for a guy who is ranked low, we readily dismiss the 24/7 composite. Where's the intellectual integrity in that?
We got a 15th ranked QB prospect in the 23 class after shooting for a couple of top 5 prospects at the position (guys who ultimately went elsewhere). But we can't just leave it at that, we got to hype up this prospect like he's our #1 guy all along and the savior of ND football despite there being no evidence for it. It's silly as all hell.
We got a 15th ranked (composite), mid to low 4 star recruit ranked in the mid 200s on aggregate. Unless someone here spends more money and time and experience on scouting/recruiting than the combined efforts of 24/7, Rivals, and ESPN, then the 24/7 composite is the authoritative resource by default. Not anybody's individual isolated opinion, not the homers at Irish Breakdown or the painfully biased fans on this site.
Is it possible Minchey develops into a nice piece a few years down the road? Sure. But guys ranked where Minchey is ultimately don't end up taking a whole lot of first-team reps at the CFB playoff/NY6 level on aggregate. Is it possible Minchey is the rare diamond in the rough? Sure but that is the case for EVERY QB in the '23 class. What makes NDs chances of hitting on a sleeper star QB any more likely than the other teams signing 3 & 4 star QBs in this class?
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I do think Freeman will make a home run OC hire when Rees leaves. I’m fine with Rees as long as he stops trying to fit a square peg (Pyne) into a round hole (pass happy). He seems to be improving. He clearly wants an NFL OC job and I bet he gets one soon.
Getting Minchey and Carr makes the OC job far more attractive. Working for Freeman can’t be all that bad either. I think we will have a lot of interest.
Why do you care what people say?
If you don't like reading what is said, fu..... leave.
Wow! You’d take Minchey over Moore? Would love some insight as to why….
Minchey’s tape looks awesome. Moore is highly ranked everywhere, and seems like a guy who’ll start very early in his career.
Minchey throws a beautiful ball. It’s apparent to anyone watching the tape. I also think he’ll keep developing and get bigger. Might be 6’3, 225 with great accuracy and a rocket launcher for an arm in 2 years. Again- beautiful and easy throwing motion, one that you can’t teach.
Here's another point I want to make before I move on from this topic, because believe it or not I am as die hard an irish fan as anybody here, and I am happy about Minchey's commitment, I just don't like the silly narratives floating around the ND blogosphere about this prospect simply because people don't know how to maintain an objective and nuanced opinion.
If you look at the top 20 QBs in this class, the top 10 are all going to modern powers or history-rich mega brands that we are all likely to see in the upcoming college football playoff. The next 10 ranked QBs (#11-#20) are going to 2nd and 3rd tier programs. This is where ND finds itself most years, getting recruits from the leftovers that the other brands got first pickings at.
There's nothing about Kenny Minchey's prospect profile that changes that narrative or moves the needle forward at the position in this class, and this position is extremely critical. We messed up royally by not hitting on our top targets, you don't just get a pass for this, these losses on the recruiting trail DIRECTLY correlate to lost yards/points/wins on the football field on Saturdays.
Top 10 QB prospects in 23 class are going to:
Texas, USC, Tennessee, Oregon, OU, Clemson, Florida, Alabama (x2), Iowa State (their signee is ranked 10th)
ND needs to find a way to get into this list of top 10 QBs and popular brands EVERY SINGLE CLASS, it's extremely important, at this position especially.
Prospects #11-#20 are going to:
Kansas State, Baylor, Louisville, LSU, ND, Arizona, Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Missouri, Arkansas (notice the steep decline in destinations from the top 10 to the 11-20)
If you look at the top 20 QBs in this class, the top 10 are all going to modern powers or history-rich mega brands that we are all likely to see in the upcoming college football playoff. The next 10 ranked QBs (#11-#20) are going to 2nd and 3rd tier programs. This is where ND finds itself most years, getting recruits from the leftovers that the other brands got first pickings at.
There's nothing about Kenny Minchey's prospect profile that changes that narrative or moves the needle forward at the position in this class, and this position is extremely critical. We messed up royally by not hitting on our top targets, you don't just get a pass for this, these losses on the recruiting trail DIRECTLY correlate to lost yards/points/wins on the football field on Saturdays.
Top 10 QB prospects in 23 class are going to:
Texas, USC, Tennessee, Oregon, OU, Clemson, Florida, Alabama (x2), Iowa State (their signee is ranked 10th)
ND needs to find a way to get into this list of top 10 QBs and popular brands EVERY SINGLE CLASS, it's extremely important, at this position especially.
Prospects #11-#20 are going to:
Kansas State, Baylor, Louisville, LSU, ND, Arizona, Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Missouri, Arkansas (notice the steep decline in destinations from the top 10 to the 11-20)
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Without question. His arm talent is through the roof, he's an absolute perfect character fit for ND, which is what really puts him over the top for me, and makes it a no-brainer. So I think we absolutely scored, and got the best possible QB we could have out of this loaded QB class. He sort of reminds me of Kizer. Actually quite a bit.
I will say that Dante Moore sort of makes you think of Caleb Williams, which I suppose is high praise. But this kid is ideal for ND, and has quite visibly great talent and potential in his own right. A very happy ending, and capstone to this inaugural MF recruiting class.....
Similar talent. Dante is a bit flashier. Minchey seems to have the same ability, better all around kid. This is my intuition after reading hundreds of things are listening to interviews, hearing stories, etc for 6+ months. We got a cool cat with similar abilities. More consistent and more accurate than Moore as he beat him in that competition. I’m not really sure what Moore does way better to be honest. One consideration is Moore darted getting hype early. Dad had started parading him around in like 8th grade. I don’t know that Minchey had that exposure. Minchey doesn’t even have much film pre junior year. Can be hard to move up after the rankings are established if you aren’t pushing your videos out there like a young Justin Bieber, even when you beat a lot of people at the elite 11 apparently (rivals).
things hurt Kenny’s ranking
1. Lack of pre junior year info.
2. Apathetic demeanor to recruiting (chose Pitt and shut the world down)
3. He got bigger his senior year, enough to where nobody knew his height
4. Injured and so didn’t play much senior year
All helped us.
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How bout we let this young man show up on campus. So he can prove his doubters wrong. If he was my son I wouldn't like the way some of you experts are posting about him. When it's most likely you never played varsity football. Let alone college ball. How many so called five stars have we've seen never amount to much on the field. Have a good thanksgiving.
I agree with you my dude.
On a different note, 113 messages and you’ve been a member since 2001? My god man, step it up.
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