Michigan currently has eight 3 star recruits...

[ellobo]

I agree about the running backs. I'm not knocking the size of Michigan's rb recruits. I would assume that the bigger guy might be a fullback in the making if Michigan's using one these days and the weight the kid is carrying at this point is good weight and the other big kid seems like a good grab. But its Michigan, so I don't have to care very much.

I was more interested in responding to what seemed like the suggestion that our linebacker recruits are small. You can call him a tweener if you want, but David Adams is the second biggest inside linebacker ranked in the top 5. It doesn't seem like a "big" class.

Dillon recently ran an electronic timed 4.56 at the Rivals camp in NJ. So that is a legit 40 and not one of those self reported super incredible times some claim. While a 4.56 isn't going to get him to the Olympics as a sprinter it is pretty damn fast for a guy who weighed in at 239...heck, it's still fast for a guy 40 pounds lighter. In terms of the other big RB we have verballed (Lasater)...he is indeed a FB and has been recruited as such.

 

[coolirish9]

all I can say is that our irish staff recently have offered several guys ranked in the thirties and lower at there positions with really crappy offers from mac like schools and bottom feeder power 5 schools and so I won't put down what Michigan is doing recruiting wise even though I still have a little dislike for them just like some of there fans do with our irish

 

[PharmD Blue]

Michigan just landed 4 star prospect over several school including…wait for it…yup, the irish lol

 

[SALittleGiant513]

knew this was coming..

 

[BANGBRO]

Michigan just landed 4 star prospect over several school including…wait for it…yup, the irish lol

and we'll be adding top 100 player Luiji Vilain next week. Recruiting is just getting started fellas. No flame either; ND will get theres like they always do

 

[schadenfreude]

and we'll be adding top 100 player Luiji Vilain next week. Recruiting is just getting started fellas. No flame either; ND will get theres like they always do

Agree. Updated rankings: http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

 

[coolirish9]

yes both schools will get enough elite players going forward that they'll both be in title contention for the next few years. both schools have very good coaches that recruit really well

 

[TheDecker]

2 of his running back recruits are bigger than all 3 of our LB recruits.

Why would that matter at all?

 

[TheDecker]

Dillon recently ran an electronic timed 4.56 at the Rivals camp in NJ. So that is a legit 40 and not one of those self reported super incredible times some claim. While a 4.56 isn't going to get him to the Olympics as a sprinter it is pretty damn fast for a guy who weighed in at 239...heck, it's still fast for a guy 40 pounds lighter. In terms of the other big RB we have verballed (Lasater)...he is indeed a FB and has been recruited as such.

Even high school camp electronic times tend to be pretty inflated, as they're almost always only lazed finished and are started by a hand timer...and timers at these events have an actual incentive to create good/exciting times that can be reported.

If you compare the Nike Lazed times from high school camps to NFL Combine Official Times for the same player...a lot of them actually appear
To have gotten slower in college.

That being said...
I like Dillon as a prospect, but his future isn't likely to be at RB. In a lot of ways he reminds me of Ty Isaac who was told the exact same thing by ND coaches that Dillon was told:
"Well recruit you as an ATH that could play either RB/LB, but we feel your future is really on defense"

Isaac didn't like that and went to USC/Michigan, where e has struggled as an RB and coaches have tried to move him to defense repeatedly
(And he's seen other RBs move past him on both team's depth charts)

Dillon is similar IMO.

FWIW this is also exactly what Anthony Barr was told by ND'staff and ultimately why he chose UCLA (because they told him he would be an RB there...before immediately moving him to OLB)

 

[BoldSpartacus]

A verbal commitment doesn't mean anything to Harbaugh he accepts commitments and upgrades to better guys as they become available. That the way he handles the recruiting process. Some early commits will find out in November or December that the Michigan offer is pulled and given to someone else.

 

[NDAFArly]

Michigan cupcaked out their schedule (seriously, look at it) so will always win 10 games, but will never make even the Big10 title game because of OSU. (& MSU)
That's what's so funny. Michigan has yet to even play in the Big10 title game & never will under Harbaugh as long as Urban keeps bending them over. How funny is it that Harbaugh might be 0-4 versus OSU & MSU after this year?

Also, didn't Harbaugh get fired from his last job?

 

[SiberianKnightmare]

As long as everyone seems hell bent on measuring the manhood of each coach.....

in terms of FBS coaching and reaching the pinnacle of FBS success....

1 guy made it to the national championship undefeated in the regular season. Then got smoked.

The other guy never went undefeated in the regular season, was never ranked #1 and never played for the national championship.

You could compare records, BCS wins and drafts picks and come to conclusions for either guy, but at the end of the day....

One guy made it to big show undefeated. The other didn't.

 

[ellobo]

As long as everyone seems hell bent on measuring the manhood of each coach.....

in terms of FBS coaching and reaching the pinnacle of FBS success....

1 guy made it to the national championship undefeated in the regular season. Then got smoked.

The other guy never went undefeated in the regular season, was never ranked #1 and never played for the national championship.

You could compare records, BCS wins and drafts picks and come to conclusions for either guy, but at the end of the day....

One guy made it to big show undefeated. The other didn't.

If you are going down that road one guy has coached a blue blood program for 6 seasons. (Losing 5 games 50% of those years and 4+ 66%) while the other has for just one...speaking of those six years...the other guy was busy leading his team seconds away from winning a fricken super bowl...yeah lets not get into a d measuring contest...

 

[cgvr]

If you are going down that road one guy has coached a blue blood program for 6 seasons. (Losing 5 games 50% of those years and 4+ 66%) while the other has for just one...speaking of those six years...the other guy was busy leading his team seconds away from winning a fricken super bowl...yeah lets not get into a d measuring contest...

kelly has coached more games at ND without winning a NC than any coach in our history. He is also about to tie Elmer Layden for most seasons without a national championship.

 

[NDAFArly]

kelly has coached more games at ND without winning a NC than any coach in our history. He is also about to tie Elmer Layden for most seasons without a national championship.

If 2012 was the 1920's, the 1940's or one of the other decades ND won National Titles without Bowls determining the champion, then Kelly would have a National Title. (Possibly a Co-Title at Cincy too when they were 12-0)

You can't compare ND today to 75 years ago. It's apples & oranges.

 

[NDAFArly]

If you are going down that road one guy has coached a blue blood program for 6 seasons. (Losing 5 games 50% of those years and 4+ 66%) while the other has for just one...speaking of those six years...the other guy was busy leading his team seconds away from winning a fricken super bowl...yeah lets not get into a d measuring contest...

One guy took Cincinnati to 12-0 & one second (Texas/Neb Big 12 Title game) from the BCS Title Game. Cincy-effing-nati!
The other couldn't even make it with Andrew Luck, Richard Sherman, Zach Ertz, Coby Fleener, etc...

 

[cgvr]

If 2012 was the 1920's, the 1940's or one of the other decades ND won National Titles without Bowls determining the champion, then Kelly would have a National Title. (Possibly a Co-Title at Cincy too when they were 12-0)

You can't compare ND today to 75 years ago. It's apples & oranges.

It appears that our marketing/PR staff is in disagreement with you.
What do you think of these remarks in his ND bio?

• Only coach in school history to lead the Irish to at least eight victories over each of his first six seasons
• First coach to lead the Irish to bowl games during each of his first six seasons
• First coach to take Notre Dame to bowl games in six straight seasons at any stage in his career since Lou Holtz (1987-95)
• With 10 wins in both 2012 and 2015, Kelly joins Knute Rockne, Ara Parseghian and Holtz as the only Notre Dame coaches to hit the double-digit mark in wins twice
• Only the second Irish coach to win 12 games in a season (Lou Holtz also did it in 1988)
• A record of 16-8 (.667) record in postseason play as a head coach

PS as a D1 coach he has won the International, Papa Johns, Sun, Pinstripe & Music City Bowls
He has lost the Orange, Champs, BCS Championship and Fiesta. (5-4 no major wins...)

 

[NDAFArly]

It appears that our marketing/PR staff is in disagreement with you.
What do you think of these remarks in his ND bio?

• Only coach in school history to lead the Irish to at least eight victories over each of his first six seasons
• First coach to lead the Irish to bowl games during each of his first six seasons
• First coach to take Notre Dame to bowl games in six straight seasons at any stage in his career since Lou Holtz (1987-95)
• With 10 wins in both 2012 and 2015, Kelly joins Knute Rockne, Ara Parseghian and Holtz as the only Notre Dame coaches to hit the double-digit mark in wins twice
• Only the second Irish coach to win 12 games in a season (Lou Holtz also did it in 1988)
• A record of 16-8 (.667) record in postseason play as a head coach

PS as a D1 coach he has won the International, Papa Johns, Sun, Pinstripe & Music City Bowls
He has lost the Orange, Champs, BCS Championship and Fiesta. (5-4 no major wins...)

What's your point? Nothing you said changes the fact that ND in 2012 would have been National Champions in 1924, 1929, 1930, 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949...

 

[NDAFArly]

It appears that our marketing/PR staff is in disagreement with you.
What do you think of these remarks in his ND bio?

• Only coach in school history to lead the Irish to at least eight victories over each of his first six seasons
• First coach to lead the Irish to bowl games during each of his first six seasons
• First coach to take Notre Dame to bowl games in six straight seasons at any stage in his career since Lou Holtz (1987-95)
• With 10 wins in both 2012 and 2015, Kelly joins Knute Rockne, Ara Parseghian and Holtz as the only Notre Dame coaches to hit the double-digit mark in wins twice
• Only the second Irish coach to win 12 games in a season (Lou Holtz also did it in 1988)
• A record of 16-8 (.667) record in postseason play as a head coach

PS as a D1 coach he has won the International, Papa Johns, Sun, Pinstripe & Music City Bowls
He has lost the Orange, Champs, BCS Championship and Fiesta. (5-4 no major wins...)

And to go ahead & bury your point & prove that there is a difference between PR/marketing & common sense...
According to our PR/marketing & the NCAA, Brian Kelly is the winningest active coach in D1.
But are we going to pretend that a lot of those wins aren't apple & oranges with others?
No, because most of us have common sense.
Comparing some of those wins versus others is the same as comparing ND now winning titles to 75 years ago winning titles.

 

[NDAFArly]

It appears that our marketing/PR staff is in disagreement with you.
What do you think of these remarks in his ND bio?

• Only coach in school history to lead the Irish to at least eight victories over each of his first six seasons
• First coach to lead the Irish to bowl games during each of his first six seasons
• First coach to take Notre Dame to bowl games in six straight seasons at any stage in his career since Lou Holtz (1987-95)
• With 10 wins in both 2012 and 2015, Kelly joins Knute Rockne, Ara Parseghian and Holtz as the only Notre Dame coaches to hit the double-digit mark in wins twice
• Only the second Irish coach to win 12 games in a season (Lou Holtz also did it in 1988)
• A record of 16-8 (.667) record in postseason play as a head coach

PS as a D1 coach he has won the International, Papa Johns, Sun, Pinstripe & Music City Bowls
He has lost the Orange, Champs, BCS Championship and Fiesta. (5-4 no major wins...)

And finally, who do you got?
I hate in life when people (usually failures) just complain, gripe, moan but never give a real solution.

I have asked probably a dozen times for a name of someone you or anybody would like who is interested (so no Urban or Saban) in the job that can handle it & do a better job?
Legitimate possibilities to coach ND.

 

[cgvr]

What's your point? Nothing you said changes the fact that ND in 2012 would have been National Champions in 1924, 1929, 1930, 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949...

The 2012 team failed miserably in the Championship game. Suggesting that they would have fared better in yesteryear is poppycock. It was an embarrassment. We played in a Bowl game in the 1924 Championship year beating Stanford on 1/1/25. If it's your suggestion that I need to play to play "make believe" with you you're wrong.
Again, you wrote, "You can't compare ND today to 75 years ago. It's apples & oranges."

Isn't that what the ND PR/Marketing department has done in trying to fabricate a "legacy" for kelly?

What do you think of these remarks in his ND bio?

• Only coach in school history to lead the Irish to at least eight victories over each of his first six seasons
• First coach to lead the Irish to bowl games during each of his first six seasons
• First coach to take Notre Dame to bowl games in six straight seasons at any stage in his career since Lou Holtz (1987-95)
• With 10 wins in both 2012 and 2015, Kelly joins Knute Rockne, Ara Parseghian and Holtz as the only Notre Dame coaches to hit the double-digit mark in wins twice
• Only the second Irish coach to win 12 games in a season (Lou Holtz also did it in 1988)
• A record of 16-8 (.667) record in postseason play as a head coach

 

[cgvr]

And to go ahead & bury your point & prove that there is a difference between PR/marketing & common sense...
But are we going to pretend that a lot of those wins aren't apple & oranges with others?
No, because most of us have common sense.
Comparing some of those wins versus others is the same as comparing ND now winning titles to 75 years ago winning titles.

This is a breath of fresh air. Thank you.
"According to our PR/marketing & the NCAA, Brian Kelly is the winningest active coach in D1. But are we going to pretend that a lot of those wins aren't apple & oranges with others?
No, because most of us have common sense."

 

[schadenfreude]

The 2012 team failed miserably in the Championship game. Suggesting that they would have fared better in yesteryear is poppycock. It was an embarrassment. We played in a Bowl game in the 1924 Championship year beating Stanford on 1/1/25. If it's your suggestion that I need to play to play "make believe" with you you're wrong.
Again, you wrote, "You can't compare ND today to 75 years ago. It's apples & oranges."

Isn't that what the ND PR/Marketing department has done in trying to fabricate a "legacy" for kelly?

What do you think of these remarks in his ND bio?

• Only coach in school history to lead the Irish to at least eight victories over each of his first six seasons
• First coach to lead the Irish to bowl games during each of his first six seasons
• First coach to take Notre Dame to bowl games in six straight seasons at any stage in his career since Lou Holtz (1987-95)
• With 10 wins in both 2012 and 2015, Kelly joins Knute Rockne, Ara Parseghian and Holtz as the only Notre Dame coaches to hit the double-digit mark in wins twice
• Only the second Irish coach to win 12 games in a season (Lou Holtz also did it in 1988)
• A record of 16-8 (.667) record in postseason play as a head coach

Not meant as a knock on Kelly, but as far as those bullet points, most have to do with the difference between playing 10 and 12/13 games per season and having more than half of teams now participating in bowl games. Comparing winning percentage of various ND coaches is a much more apples to apples stat.

 

[cgvr]

Not meant as a knock on Kelly, but as far as those bullet points, most have to do with the difference between playing 10 and 12/13 games per season and having more than half of teams now participating in bowl games. Comparing winning percentage of various ND coaches is a much more apples to apples stat.

ND has played 13 games 12 times. We have not achieved at least 10 wins in those 13 game seasons 6 times. kelly owns 4 of those seasons.
Our first year of football 1887 we finished 0-3. We then finished above .500 until 1933. We were again above .500 until 1956. We played in one bowl game for 83 years. ND has finished below .500 10 times. In today's bowl environment we would have qualified for bowls in every season except for 10. However, imo 2 of those years would have had us in bowl games as we were 1 game under .500.
The fact that our PR department does not asterisk these "accolades" is ridiculous. Right now kelly is continuing to author the worst ppg against ND in history. '14 was the worst and '15 was the 5th worst.... It's the worst 2 years ever. He stinks.

 

[NDAFArly]

The 2012 team failed miserably in the Championship game. Suggesting that they would have fared better in yesteryear is poppycock. It was an embarrassment. We played in a Bowl game in the 1924 Championship year beating Stanford on 1/1/25. If it's your suggestion that I need to play to play "make believe" with you you're wrong.
Again, you wrote, "You can't compare ND today to 75 years ago. It's apples & oranges."

Isn't that what the ND PR/Marketing department has done in trying to fabricate a "legacy" for kelly?

What do you think of these remarks in his ND bio?

• Only coach in school history to lead the Irish to at least eight victories over each of his first six seasons
• First coach to lead the Irish to bowl games during each of his first six seasons
• First coach to take Notre Dame to bowl games in six straight seasons at any stage in his career since Lou Holtz (1987-95)
• With 10 wins in both 2012 and 2015, Kelly joins Knute Rockne, Ara Parseghian and Holtz as the only Notre Dame coaches to hit the double-digit mark in wins twice
• Only the second Irish coach to win 12 games in a season (Lou Holtz also did it in 1988)
• A record of 16-8 (.667) record in postseason play as a head coach

What ND did in a bowl in 2012 doesn't matter if it was back in the day.
They either would have not played in a bowl or if they had it would not have mattered. The National Champ was decided by the final poll at the end of the regular season. Period.
So ND of 2012 would have been a National Championship team back then as soon as the regular season ended. Period.
You can argue all you want, but that is a fact. ND benefitted off this more than once. (Alabama has also, even after losing to ND in '73)

 

[cgvr]

What ND did in a bowl in 2012 doesn't matter if it was back in the day.
They either would have not played in a bowl or if they had it would not have mattered. The National Champ was decided by the final poll at the end of the regular season. Period.
So ND of 2012 would have been a National Championship team back then as soon as the regular season ended. Period.
You can argue all you want, but that is a fact. ND benefitted off this more than once. (Alabama has also, even after losing to ND in '73)

What final poll are you referencing for the 1924 season?

Also, you've made it quite clear about "apples and oranges" in comparing eras.

Isn't that what the ND PR/Marketing department has done in trying to fabricate a "legacy" for kelly?

Again, in light of your apples and oranges remark, what do you think of these remarks in his ND bio?

• Only coach in school history to lead the Irish to at least eight victories over each of his first six seasons
• First coach to lead the Irish to bowl games during each of his first six seasons
• First coach to take Notre Dame to bowl games in six straight seasons at any stage in his career since Lou Holtz (1987-95)
• With 10 wins in both 2012 and 2015, Kelly joins Knute Rockne, Ara Parseghian and Holtz as the only Notre Dame coaches to hit the double-digit mark in wins twice
• Only the second Irish coach to win 12 games in a season (Lou Holtz also did it in 1988)
• A record of 16-8 (.667) record in postseason play as a head coach

 

[PharmD Blue]

Michigan cupcaked out their schedule (seriously, look at it) so will always win 10 games, but will never make even the Big10 title game because of OSU. (& MSU)
That's what's so funny. Michigan has yet to even play in the Big10 title game & never will under Harbaugh as long as Urban keeps bending them over. How funny is it that Harbaugh might be 0-4 versus OSU & MSU after this year?

Also, didn't Harbaugh get fired from his last job?

It is almost as funny as the Brian Kelly and ND. ND will never accomplish anything as long as he is the coach. And he sure knows something about getting bent over by OSU. Absolutely hilarious!!

 

[NDAFArly]

It is almost as funny as the Brian Kelly and ND. ND will never accomplish anything as long as he is the coach. And he sure knows something about getting bent over by OSU. Absolutely hilarious!!

More than hilarious that no matter what, Kelly has still led ND to two BCS games (including title game). Michigan can't sniff a BCS game, let alone the playoff, if they can't even make a Big10 title game. Which they won't. Lol
So Kelly could go 0-20 in BCS games, but that is 20 more than UM will ever get in.

If you don't win the east, which you like to finish 3rd in, you can't play in a major bowl! That is a fact! And no matter how mad you get, you know you can't win the east! Sniffle, sniffle.
That is called getting BENT OVER!!!

 

[NDAFArly]

What final poll are you referencing for the 1924 season?

Also, you've made it quite clear about "apples and oranges" in comparing eras.

Isn't that what the ND PR/Marketing department has done in trying to fabricate a "legacy" for kelly?

Again, in light of your apples and oranges remark, what do you think of these remarks in his ND bio?

• Only coach in school history to lead the Irish to at least eight victories over each of his first six seasons
• First coach to lead the Irish to bowl games during each of his first six seasons
• First coach to take Notre Dame to bowl games in six straight seasons at any stage in his career since Lou Holtz (1987-95)
• With 10 wins in both 2012 and 2015, Kelly joins Knute Rockne, Ara Parseghian and Holtz as the only Notre Dame coaches to hit the double-digit mark in wins twice
• Only the second Irish coach to win 12 games in a season (Lou Holtz also did it in 1988)
• A record of 16-8 (.667) record in postseason play as a head coach

So you are ignoring the AP polls in the 40's title teams & just choosing 1924?
ND has won multiple AP titles after the regular season ended, with no bowl game.
Your initial point was that Kelly hasn't done what the past coaches have done. My point is if he was under the same rules, he would have an undisputed national title in 2012.

You can twist it however you want, but you are wrong. You lose. You made a statement, comparing Kelly to past ND coaches winning a title. I just gave you facts to show that if Kelly coached in the same era as most of those coaches, he would have a title. Look at the legendary Frank Leahy & his undefeated regular season AP titles (no bowls). I guess his don't count?

 

[cgvr]

So you are ignoring the AP polls in the 40's title teams & just choosing 1924?
ND has won multiple AP titles after the regular season ended, with no bowl game.
Your initial point was that Kelly hasn't done what the past coaches have done. My point is if he was under the same rules, he would have an undisputed national title in 2012.

You can twist it however you want, but you are wrong. You lose. You made a statement, comparing Kelly to past ND coaches winning a title. I just gave you facts to show that if Kelly coached in the same era as most of those coaches, he would have a title. Look at the legendary Frank Leahy & his undefeated regular season AP titles (no bowls). I guess his don't count?

I'm not ignoring a thing. You certainly are.... kelly has coached more games at ND without winning a NC than any coach in our history. He is also about to tie Elmer Layden for most seasons without a national championship.
Your time traveling the 2012 team is simply preposterous and in line with the ND PR kelly bs.

Again, what final poll are you referencing for the 1924 season?

Also, you've made it quite clear about "apples and oranges" in comparing eras.

Isn't that what the ND PR/Marketing department has done in trying to fabricate a "legacy" for kelly?

In light of your apples and oranges remark, what do you think of these remarks in his ND bio?

• Only coach in school history to lead the Irish to at least eight victories over each of his first six seasons
• First coach to lead the Irish to bowl games during each of his first six seasons
• First coach to take Notre Dame to bowl games in six straight seasons at any stage in his career since Lou Holtz (1987-95)
• With 10 wins in both 2012 and 2015, Kelly joins Knute Rockne, Ara Parseghian and Holtz as the only Notre Dame coaches to hit the double-digit mark in wins twice
• Only the second Irish coach to win 12 games in a season (Lou Holtz also did it in 1988)
• A record of 16-8 (.667) record in postseason play as a head coach

Lastly pennick, your whiny routine is excellent entertainment.

Create another handle and it will be even more fun.

 

[romulator]

More than hilarious that no matter what, Kelly has still led ND to two BCS games (including title game). Michigan can't sniff a BCS game, let alone the playoff, if they can't even make a Big10 title game. Which they won't. Lol
So Kelly could go 0-20 in BCS games, but that is 20 more than UM will ever get in.

If you don't win the east, which you like to finish 3rd in, you can't play in a major bowl! That is a fact! And no matter how mad you get, you know you can't win the east! Sniffle, sniffle.
That is called getting BENT OVER!!!

What a clown. KeLLLy was humiliated by Bama and Ohio St in the only 2 meaningful bowl games he's participated in at ND. Absolutely, unequivocally beat down and humiliated. In 6 yrs at ND KeLLLy his best bowl win was when 5 loss ND beat 4 loss LSU in the Music Shit!y Bowl. That's a FACT.

Meanwhile even Hoke WON a BCS Sugar Bowl in 2012. Harbaugh? He already has a better bowl win in his first year at UM then KeLLLy has in his entire D1 career. That too is a FACT.

Now just stop before you embarrass yourself further.

Sincerely,
24-17-1

 

[BGI User 1596]

What a clown. KeLLLy was humiliated by Bama and Ohio St in the only 2 meaningful bowl games he's participated in at ND. Absolutely, unequivocally beat down and humiliated. In 6 yrs at ND KeLLLy his best bowl win was when 5 loss ND beat 4 loss LSU in the Music Shit!y Bowl. That's a FACT.

Meanwhile even Hoke WON a BCS Sugar Bowl in 2012. Harbaugh? He already has a better bowl win in his first year at UM then KeLLLy has in his entire D1 career. That too is a FACT.

Now just stop before you embarrass yourself further.

Sincerely,
24-17-1

31 -0 & ZERO for BO - APPY State anyone?

 

[NDSMC78]

What a clown. KeLLLy was humiliated by Bama and Ohio St in the only 2 meaningful bowl games he's participated in at ND. Absolutely, unequivocally beat down and humiliated. In 6 yrs at ND KeLLLy his best bowl win was when 5 loss ND beat 4 loss LSU in the Music Shit!y Bowl. That's a FACT.

Meanwhile even Hoke WON a BCS Sugar Bowl in 2012. Harbaugh? He already has a better bowl win in his first year at UM then KeLLLy has in his entire D1 career. That too is a FACT.

Now just stop before you embarrass yourself further.

Sincerely,
24-17-1

Another Michigan fan obsessed by all things Notre Dame. The person who should be embarrassed is you.

 

[PharmD Blue]

31 -0 & ZERO for BO - APPY State anyone?

38-0, 38-0, 47-21 and….24-17-1…OUCH!!!!

 

[PharmD Blue]

What a clown. KeLLLy was humiliated by Bama and Ohio St in the only 2 meaningful bowl games he's participated in at ND. Absolutely, unequivocally beat down and humiliated. In 6 yrs at ND KeLLLy his best bowl win was when 5 loss ND beat 4 loss LSU in the Music Shit!y Bowl. That's a FACT.

Meanwhile even Hoke WON a BCS Sugar Bowl in 2012. Harbaugh? He already has a better bowl win in his first year at UM then KeLLLy has in his entire D1 career. That too is a FACT.

Now just stop before you embarrass yourself further.

Sincerely,
24-17-1

But…but…Kelly did so good as a D2 coach!! Doesn't that count??? He has been on a tear with mediocrity and embarrassment while at ND!

 

[NDSMC78]

But…but…Kelly did so good as a D2 coach!! Doesn't that count??? He has been on a tear with mediocrity and embarrassment while at ND!

You embarrass yourself every time you post here. You come here with weak sauce. Yeah, ND lost to Ohio St.in the Fiesta Bowl last year. But the same OSU team kicked Michigan's ass 42-13. Your post is about as lame as one can imagine. Obsess over ND much? You are an imbecile.

 

[BGI User 1596]

38-0, 38-0, 47-21 and….24-17-1…OUCH!!!!

38-0 fake penalty - zero for the ultimate Michigan man BO and APPY STATE + Bowling Green.

 

[NDAFArly]

What a clown. KeLLLy was humiliated by Bama and Ohio St in the only 2 meaningful bowl games he's participated in at ND. Absolutely, unequivocally beat down and humiliated. In 6 yrs at ND KeLLLy his best bowl win was when 5 loss ND beat 4 loss LSU in the Music Shit!y Bowl. That's a FACT.

Meanwhile even Hoke WON a BCS Sugar Bowl in 2012. Harbaugh? He already has a better bowl win in his first year at UM then KeLLLy has in his entire D1 career. That too is a FACT.

Now just stop before you embarrass yourself further.

Sincerely,
24-17-1

Once again, let me know when UM even plays for a big10 title, let alone a BCS game under Harbaugh? I rather play in, & lose 1,000 title games, than not play in one at all.
That's the difference between a school that produces lifetime winners & one that produces dropouts.
Here are the current NCAA graduation rates for football programs:

ND: 94% (third highest in nation)
UM: 66% (second to bottom in Big10, & third largest difference between football players & students in the entire country)

ND: 97% African American football graduation rate
UM: 50% African American football graduation rate (wow, that is awesome, but it is up from 38% from the previous report)

ND just won its 9th straight National Title for FBS GSR (98 graduation success rate) among all athletes in 2015. (UM 72)

According to report, "if there was a college football playoff among academics in football the four would be Stanford, Rice, Notre Dame & Air Force."
That means ND is the only team to compete for a football & academic title since Navy in the 60's. (Stanford last won in 1940).

Current number of players in NFL by team (per ESPN.go.com):
ND: 45
UM: 24

Don't feel bad, ND/Stanford/Rice/AF alums need someone to check their luggage when vacationing. Or in your case, taking my order at the drive through.

 

[NDAFArly]

38-0, 38-0, 47-21 and….24-17-1…OUCH!!!!

The 24-17-1 is a joke if you actually know a thing about anything. Lol. Nine straight wins in scrimmages in the 1880's & 1890's? Awesome.

Here are facts as written in the book Natural Enemies, which was signed off on by both ND & UM coaches & ADs.

Michigan started a football program a decade before ND. In 1887 ND students agreed to play scrimmages against Michigan's football team to learn the game.
They actually played a half a game, then had lunch, then played another game in the afternoon one year. Another year they played a half, stopped the game so UM could get on a train. Michigan & ND viewed all these games as practice. Then in 1909 Michigan decides these are real games & counts them after canceling all future games with ND.

So Michigan football won 9 straight scrimmages agsinst ND students learning the game.

Michigan doesn't count the losses to Great Lakes from 1910s & 20s though? So Michigan basically chose which games were real & which were exhibition to benefit themselves.
In the modern football era ND leads the series 16-14-1.

But hey, maybe UM should have its football team play ND professors to pad that number?

Once again. Let me know when (if) UM wins the Big10 east. Or schedules someone on your OCC? Lol

Hawaii home
Colorado home
UCF home

You leave the state of Michigan ONCE in the first 9 weeks (at Rutgers ooohhh, scary).

Have fun on the BTN regional broadcast. Lol

There's a reason everybody worldwide discusses ND football (love or hate) & nobody cares outside the Great Lakes region about UM. You can be mad all you want, but you know it's true. Be bitter. I can walk into any bar in the country & get a reaction from ND football. Did it for a decade in the AF. Nobody in the south, the west coast, southwest, the east coast, cares about UM. They all know ND.

ND football
Duke basketball
Yankees

Everybody talks them. Always important. Don't need shirtless sleepovers to get people talking.

 

[PharmD Blue]

ND football...a nobody for 30 years and running. Return to glory part...25?? Kelly has accomplished exactly what since he has been at ND?

Better yet...38-0 x 2, 47-2, 24-17-1...OUCH!!!!

ND is good at getting bent over backwards in their bowl games. What is the biggest bowl game Kelly has won at ND?? How did he fare in his biggest bowl games again? What was the average margin of defeat??

Yup. Enough said.

Oh, and I see Michigan is now kicking ND's a$$ in recruiting...again!