He sux. All he does is arrive late and throw himself at the ground. I watched him again after game to see if he was as bad as I thought. He was worse. He singlehanded allowed for big gains. He is a tot in a big boy game
Joe Schmidt
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Lol. I'm not arguing with you. I'm stating that not everyone gives their all in practice. Best hockey player I played with looked like crap in practice. During games... Different story! We're talking practice?
Do you all actually think the coaching staff would leave a better player on the bench ? Do you all think NM is better than Joe. Last season when NM got his chance to play he was horrendous. I know that was a year ago - but, unless NM has made incredible strides from 1 year ago - he still most likely is still not as good as Joe or else he would be in there.
And BTW I played D 1 and also coached for 25 years. You keyboard know it alls are something else. Coaches play the kids who they think or feel gives the team the best shot to win games - period. Currently the coaching staff still feels Joe is their best option.
And BTW I played D 1 and also coached for 25 years. You keyboard know it alls are something else. Coaches play the kids who they think or feel gives the team the best shot to win games - period. Currently the coaching staff still feels Joe is their best option.
There are many fans who actually believe they want ND to win more than our coaches do. They are out there.
Who cares, many of us played and coached. I'll probably coach again someday but I'm trying to spend more time with my own children right now. I coached the secondary, and we spent a lot of time on tackling, and JS isn't tackling right now. He can't get off of blocks, definitely can't cover in passing downs, and his tackling has been very bad.
Again, you fail to acknowledge the QB chaos last year, it was pretty much a consensus that BK stuck with EG way to long.
Take Urban Meyer, many of us thought JT should start this year. He tried just CJ then platooning both and it's been ugly. I bet he switches to JT just like many thought to begin with. UM even said last week he stuck with CJ because neither QB separated themselves. Coaches are their own worst enemy sometimes they don't want to be wrong and they stick by their guns to long. Even great coaches are not infallible, they're human too.
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No no no. If you've ever played at any level of any sport, you know practice is where your spot is earned. If you get beat out, you sit. Coaches don't sit around going, "well he's a gamer, Cadillacs it at practice and doesn't compete well day in and day out but let's throw him in, he's a game day guy". Pers and Michigan have truly shown they are non athletic regular people.
I would say take your BS somewhere else. It's your work all week on the practice field that earns you your spot and your playing time
ya know - it appears that my criticisms are about BK at times, but that actual and real truth I think the HC job he does is pretty good; but his minnions are despicable and of poor character. The give a rats butt about ND but are just here tonpromote their 'man' and stiffle any discussion. Do they realize this reflects on Kelly. Yep, Hard to be a fan of a guy like that. Shame!
And, how well he does depends on the play of the team field during games, not practice and certainly not the message board.
(we are talking about a small disruptive crude rude fowl group, but dozens of used ID's)
And, how well he does depends on the play of the team field during games, not practice and certainly not the message board.
(we are talking about a small disruptive crude rude fowl group, but dozens of used ID's)
I've said for a long time that I think BK is a great HC but he's a poor OC and I think being OC takes time away from him focusing on being a HC.
I really think he should have removed himself from the day-to-day's of the offense and concentrated on recruiting and high level input on both offense and defense. IMO, this would allow him to give an 'outsiders' view to both the offense and defense and I think you would see huge improvements in both if he did this.
odd that those that maintain he 'best player available' argument refuse to disect the game film.
The other thing, Kelly personally recruited N. Morgan. But, now a full year and a half later he is not capable to play? Could he really have less impact? Is thatveven possible?
As to the players lining up correctly, watch the video. The defensive players seem to know how to find there spots before the snap. And geez, they can signal D calls in the same as the offense calls are! And they probably do that now!
You can't play with your inside LB having absolutely zero impact on any given play. ( I have only gotten through the first 3 QTRs.) If someone is into the 4th is there a play I should look for?
The other thing, Kelly personally recruited N. Morgan. But, now a full year and a half later he is not capable to play? Could he really have less impact? Is thatveven possible?
As to the players lining up correctly, watch the video. The defensive players seem to know how to find there spots before the snap. And geez, they can signal D calls in the same as the offense calls are! And they probably do that now!
You can't play with your inside LB having absolutely zero impact on any given play. ( I have only gotten through the first 3 QTRs.) If someone is into the 4th is there a play I should look for?
It might be a matter of his ability to get the rest of the defense lined up correctly. With Schmidt in, we have 1 guy lacking athleticism, but 11 guys in positions. With Morgan or anyone else, we have 1 guy with athleticism, but more guys not in the correct position. Which is more damaging?
Schmidt is never going to help this defense because their is a enormous problem with the defense that couldn't be fixed if you had BVG on the field himself.
Go watch the last several games and you will notice that teams are changing formations and shifting players and it's causing confusion and HUGE gaps in the defense. Unless all 11 players know what's needs to happen 1 player cannot make changes for the other 10 quickly enough and that's why you are seeing breakdowns. The simple fact is BVG's defense will never work at the college level.
Go watch the last several games and you will notice that teams are changing formations and shifting players and it's causing confusion and HUGE gaps in the defense. Unless all 11 players know what's needs to happen 1 player cannot make changes for the other 10 quickly enough and that's why you are seeing breakdowns. The simple fact is BVG's defense will never work at the college level.
I've seen the defense without Schmidt last year. It makes this year's version look like the Steel Curtain.
Jaylon had 14+ unassisted tackles. I do not buy the 10 'fools' theory! watching the film I see players lining up as if they understand their roles. Essentially a D with 10 players.
But if only 1 guy who is a non player 'gets it', then Java is right!
(warning: do not watch the replay if you do not wish to see what the crux of the critique is)
But if only 1 guy who is a non player 'gets it', then Java is right!
(warning: do not watch the replay if you do not wish to see what the crux of the critique is)
Clemson and USC scored a combined 17 pts in the 2nd half with Scmidt on the field
LAst year ND was 1-5 w-o schmidt and lost 49-14 vs USC w-o schmidt
Bueller - Bueller
24 K with his typical smirk -- trash thread --trash
24 K pure human garbage
LAst year ND was 1-5 w-o schmidt and lost 49-14 vs USC w-o schmidt
Bueller - Bueller
24 K with his typical smirk -- trash thread --trash
24 K pure human garbage
Joe Schmidt is 3rd on the team for total tackles. Jaylon has 56. Kev. Russell has 42. Joe has 41.
The Next is 35 by I. Rochell // Then Shumate w/ 33 // Then the next LB #17 w/ 29. Joe has 12 more tackles than the next LB after Jaylon.
Bottom line is that ND was 6-1 (Pretty sure he got hurt in the Fl. St. game) last year w/ Joe at MLB. They are off to a 6-1 start again w/ him in there.
When He was out last year they were 1-5.
Joe's a winner - he's a great leader - his teammates love him and along w/ being the 3rd leading tackler this year to date - he is tied for 2nd in sacks w/ 2.
Joe will be fine - The D played great in that 2nd half vs. USC. They made great plays when they needed to. They played great in that 2nd half vs. Clemson. They slowed down a great Navy offense.
Overall the D is playing decent - if they can improve their overall tackling and the secondary starts to "play the ball" better like Kev Russell did in that 2nd half vs. SC which led to 2 turnovers - The D can improve and still become very good.
And what is w/ some of the bashing on BVG. We are lucky to have him as our D coordinator. The D is playing pretty good overall IMO. We are 6 -1 and still in the hunt.
Lay off Joe - When he went out last year - Our D went in the toilet pretty fast.
The Next is 35 by I. Rochell // Then Shumate w/ 33 // Then the next LB #17 w/ 29. Joe has 12 more tackles than the next LB after Jaylon.
Bottom line is that ND was 6-1 (Pretty sure he got hurt in the Fl. St. game) last year w/ Joe at MLB. They are off to a 6-1 start again w/ him in there.
When He was out last year they were 1-5.
Joe's a winner - he's a great leader - his teammates love him and along w/ being the 3rd leading tackler this year to date - he is tied for 2nd in sacks w/ 2.
Joe will be fine - The D played great in that 2nd half vs. USC. They made great plays when they needed to. They played great in that 2nd half vs. Clemson. They slowed down a great Navy offense.
Overall the D is playing decent - if they can improve their overall tackling and the secondary starts to "play the ball" better like Kev Russell did in that 2nd half vs. SC which led to 2 turnovers - The D can improve and still become very good.
And what is w/ some of the bashing on BVG. We are lucky to have him as our D coordinator. The D is playing pretty good overall IMO. We are 6 -1 and still in the hunt.
Lay off Joe - When he went out last year - Our D went in the toilet pretty fast.
did you watch him - isolated ? or you just fling it against the wall?
watch each and every play! Joe is a great guy, sure. But as for the 1st Qtr. that is as ineffective a quarter of football as a LB can have.
watch each and every play! Joe is a great guy, sure. But as for the 1st Qtr. that is as ineffective a quarter of football as a LB can have.
Coaches will go for the sure thing instead of talent in a lot of cases. Talent typically gets the starts when there isn't a sure thing in front of them. They know what they are going to get with Joe. I'm sure they are cringing every time watch game film and seeing the insane # of easy missed tackles.
I do think it was poor Kelly called out Rochell in his post game for a missed tackle that led to a huge run, instead of Joe's countless missed tackles the last 3-4 weeks.
I think the coaches see what could be if Joe made his tackles instead of what is actually happening. Kelly talks about 2-3 good quarters of football per game the irish are playing. He's a boy playing a mans position and i'm sure his two injuries aren't 100% and are impacting his play.
I do think it was poor Kelly called out Rochell in his post game for a missed tackle that led to a huge run, instead of Joe's countless missed tackles the last 3-4 weeks.
I think the coaches see what could be if Joe made his tackles instead of what is actually happening. Kelly talks about 2-3 good quarters of football per game the irish are playing. He's a boy playing a mans position and i'm sure his two injuries aren't 100% and are impacting his play.
I'm not knocking Schmidt but it is what it is. People forget the UNC game, the 2nd half of the FSU game and he played the entire 1st half against Navy. In all three cases our defense was terrible.
It's not all his fault the scheme is not very good. I think this bye week is a great time for Kelly and BVG to evaluate the defensive philosophy and make some changes.
It's not all his fault the scheme is not very good. I think this bye week is a great time for Kelly and BVG to evaluate the defensive philosophy and make some changes.
I cannot tell if the BVG D is in fact 'poor', a/c of the fact that they essentially are a 10 man defense.
If it is that the most popular or nicest guy gets to start then open up the positions to the entire student body! I am sure there are a lot of kids who are 'nice kids', deserving of a start!
Remember Kelly hand picked Morgan to be in there! Put him in.
If it is that the most popular or nicest guy gets to start then open up the positions to the entire student body! I am sure there are a lot of kids who are 'nice kids', deserving of a start!
Remember Kelly hand picked Morgan to be in there! Put him in.
P, I watched game film for 25 years -I watched the game live - I don't need to go re-watch - their were quite a few missed tackles - not all by Joe. Their were at least 3 or 4 other teammates who missed tackles that were makeable tackles.
One on one tackles where the ball carrier is going full speed are not always easy tackles - I don't necessarily count those as a missed tackle. The ones where the Defender is there to make a tackle / makes contact and does not finish the tackle - is a true missed tackle. There seemed to be quite few of true missed tackles by at least 3 or 4 ND defenders - not just Joe.
As for Joe not getting there - a lot of his teammates were also not getting there or taking bad angles at times as well.
USC has a great offense w/ great 4 and 5 star players - w/ a lot of speed. Their team speed is as good as ND will face. A team w/ great team speed will make a lot defenders - "not get there" -
Bottom line as a coach you look at players overall production and what other intangibles the kid brings to the overall team. Joe currently as noted above is the 3rd leading tackler on the team and the next closest LB is 12 tackles behind him. Then you factor in his intangibles - which for Joe - is pretty high.
Joe will be fine - I need to get back to work.
Go Irish - Beat Temple - Temple will be tough - they will play this game as if it is their BCS Championship Game.
One on one tackles where the ball carrier is going full speed are not always easy tackles - I don't necessarily count those as a missed tackle. The ones where the Defender is there to make a tackle / makes contact and does not finish the tackle - is a true missed tackle. There seemed to be quite few of true missed tackles by at least 3 or 4 ND defenders - not just Joe.
As for Joe not getting there - a lot of his teammates were also not getting there or taking bad angles at times as well.
USC has a great offense w/ great 4 and 5 star players - w/ a lot of speed. Their team speed is as good as ND will face. A team w/ great team speed will make a lot defenders - "not get there" -
Bottom line as a coach you look at players overall production and what other intangibles the kid brings to the overall team. Joe currently as noted above is the 3rd leading tackler on the team and the next closest LB is 12 tackles behind him. Then you factor in his intangibles - which for Joe - is pretty high.
Joe will be fine - I need to get back to work.
Go Irish - Beat Temple - Temple will be tough - they will play this game as if it is their BCS Championship Game.
of course the other 10 had to cover more ground - they had to compensate
Your statement that you refuse to look at the replay to argue against the obvious is pretty much what one needs to do to avoid change.
Your statement that you refuse to look at the replay to argue against the obvious is pretty much what one needs to do to avoid change.
P, If they go to Morgan - yes - he is more athletic and quicker - but last year when he played he constantly overran plays and was rarely in position to even have a shot at making a play. Teams ran right at ND once Joe went out last year. I know there were other injuries in addition to Joe's which also hurt our D - namely along the D line.
So you can't necessarily say Morgan was an over hyped 4 star guy out of HS. Plus he was young and still is young - so you are correct - if given a chance this season - he may show that he can be better than Joe Schmidt - but, Joe sure played well last season before he got hurt and this year has been up and down for him.
I'm sure the coaches are evaluating his spot as we speak. And trying to decide about how they will do things this 2nd half of the season. IMO - they should try and mix in NM more to see if he can get it done. But, I also think you can't discount Joe Schmidt - he has a ton of experience - I feel he will get back to his regular tacking machine self here in the 2nd half of the season.
So you can't necessarily say Morgan was an over hyped 4 star guy out of HS. Plus he was young and still is young - so you are correct - if given a chance this season - he may show that he can be better than Joe Schmidt - but, Joe sure played well last season before he got hurt and this year has been up and down for him.
I'm sure the coaches are evaluating his spot as we speak. And trying to decide about how they will do things this 2nd half of the season. IMO - they should try and mix in NM more to see if he can get it done. But, I also think you can't discount Joe Schmidt - he has a ton of experience - I feel he will get back to his regular tacking machine self here in the 2nd half of the season.
3 things:
I do not believe anyone is questioning the staff on playing Schmidt.
The point being made is he flat out stinks right now. Is slow, is not reading the plays.
Joe Montana was the most notorious poor practice player and that kept him on the bench for 2 years.
Bodi called Schmidt playing poorly before the USC game
And everyone likes Schmidt and it is painful to admit he is bad right now
that's five things. UM math.
Schmidt certainly hasn't played well and I think a change is needed at MLB but lets not kid ourselves, he's not the only problem with the defense. First the scheme is too complicated and far too many players out of position and poor fundamentals by too many players.
FWIW
I came to do an isolated look at JS only because I was reading weekly posts on each forum that he was playing awful; to the point Kelly had to defend him.
So after watching the game vid, the fans, who by the way do not attend practice but see actual games, have a very valid point!
I came to do an isolated look at JS only because I was reading weekly posts on each forum that he was playing awful; to the point Kelly had to defend him.
So after watching the game vid, the fans, who by the way do not attend practice but see actual games, have a very valid point!
You are a nothing dickhead. Do you seriously believe that you know more about Nyles Morgan and Joe Schmidt, then both BK and BVG. Do you realize at all how stupid that sounds? Do you? What are your credentials as a Football coach? What big time program did you coach at. This whole argument about what players should play and who shouldn't is just stupid.
watched a full 3 Q's and JS could have had a rental tux on and could have returned it w/o any questions Sunday morning!
another? bye bye you even miss-spelled your resurrected ID? losing track of them?
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