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I Hate The Navy Game

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Every year It's the same thing. Wayyy too many injuries. Your defense becomes disjointed. ND gives those kids entirely too much respect and doesn't have any desire to bully the shit out of them and step on their throats. Every play ND is picking their kids up out of the pile and tapping them on the heads.

Respect the hell out of them after the game. Beat the piss out of those undersized, marginally skilled kids and show them no mercy... Or stop playing them.
 
Every year It's the same thing. Wayyy too many injuries. Your defense becomes disjointed. ND gives those kids entirely too much respect and doesn't have any desire to bully the shit out of them and step on their throats. Every play ND is picking their kids up out of the pile and tapping them on the heads.

Respect the hell out of them after the game. Beat the piss out of those undersized, marginally skilled kids and show them no mercy... Or stop playing them.

This.
 
I saw quite a few life shortening tackles by our lbs

In the 4th quarter, sure... For 3 quarters those kids played with a lot more heart. The offensive line should just manhandle those kids, but never does.

For the record, I friggen love the way Julian Love plays the game. Nicest kid off the field, but he plays with the lack of mercy you need against Navy. Delivered some big hits tonight and the one that put a smile on this coach's face was on the interception when he needlessly decleated the Navy split end who was out there in space and then just stared at him on the ground and walked away... That's how you beat that team soundly. Don't give them hope.
 
In the 4th quarter, sure... For 3 quarters those kids played with a lot more heart. The offensive line should just manhandle those kids, but never does.

For the record, I friggen love the way Julian Love plays the game. Nicest kid off the field, but he plays with the lack of mercy you need against Navy. Delivered some big hits tonight and the one that put a smile on this coach's face was on the interception when he needlessly decleated the Navy split end who was out there in space and then just stared at him on the ground and walked away... That's how you beat that team soundly. Don't give them hope.

It's really frustrating we didn't go up two scores because that puts psych pressure on Navy to change their game, even if there is plenty of time left.

But we'll really know if we hate this game next week It will depend on whether we're slow @LSJU.
 
In the 4th quarter, sure... For 3 quarters those kids played with a lot more heart. The offensive line should just manhandle those kids, but never does.

For the record, I friggen love the way Julian Love plays the game. Nicest kid off the field, but he plays with the lack of mercy you need against Navy. Delivered some big hits tonight and the one that put a smile on this coach's face was on the interception when he needlessly decleated the Navy split end who was out there in space and then just stared at him on the ground and walked away... That's how you beat that team soundly. Don't give them hope.
Other than Troy Pride, I was disappointed in the tackling by DB's. Add Nyles and Devin to that list.
 
Every year It's the same thing. Wayyy too many injuries. Your defense becomes disjointed. ND gives those kids entirely too much respect and doesn't have any desire to bully the shit out of them and step on their throats. Every play ND is picking their kids up out of the pile and tapping them on the heads.

Respect the hell out of them after the game. Beat the piss out of those undersized, marginally skilled kids and show them no mercy... Or stop playing them.

Totally agree IIO -- like root canal or a colonoscopy. We need to score each time we get the ball and it is just so hard to stop them. I actually got a lot of house painting done -- check in here and there, to keep my blood pressure below 200! Hoping USC wins tonight and our schedule will look like a real bear. They'll be ten. MSU will move up a place or two, Georgia will probably stay at 7, Miami at 2, NCState will be in the top 20 with a win.
 
Every year It's the same thing. Wayyy too many injuries. Your defense becomes disjointed. ND gives those kids entirely too much respect and doesn't have any desire to bully the shit out of them and step on their throats. Every play ND is picking their kids up out of the pile and tapping them on the heads.

Respect the hell out of them after the game. Beat the piss out of those undersized, marginally skilled kids and show them no mercy... Or stop playing them.


Exactly. Navy wants nothing more than to beat ND. Lou Holtz respected them but beat them like a drum. This game should never be close. But it always is. Ridiculous
 
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Exactly. Navy wants nothing more than to beat ND. Lou Holtz respected them but beat them like a drum. This game should never be close. But it always is. Ridiculous

Navy is a much better team than when Holtz coached. They've been a solid team ever since Johnson was their coach.

And remember, Holtz had his hands full with good Air Force teams in his last few years.
 
This right here shows exactly why you've absolutely zero...i mean ZERO.. class.

Football is friggen tough. It's played by tough people. You have to treat the game like It's war...

Tell me please, do you think those proud midshipmen that were being showcased today by NBC, who are being posted to dismounted marine units have any interest in showing mercy to their enemy, on, or off the football field?..

My experience in interacting with them in the real world is... Hell no. They play for keeps.
 
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I thought We played pretty good on the defensive side. Guys we’re in the right positions on nearly every play. For whatever reason, and it may be explained by what IIO asserts, we tackle poorly against Navy. Amazing how many times they get four plus yards after contact. That said, we held them to 17 points and that’s pretty good. No long runs or easy scores, but damn near killed me when they turned third and 9 or 12 or 18 into first Downs.

Offense did just enough to win, but disappointed for sure. Dropped passes, poor throws, etc...until Wimbush found his stride; but should have scored every possession since they couldn't Come close to covering our receivers. The slow developing running plays were painful to watch until the offensive line started to assert its will late in the game.

Hate this game every year, and just feel relieved when we walk out with a win.
 
In the 4th quarter, sure... For 3 quarters those kids played with a lot more heart. The offensive line should just manhandle those kids, but never does.

For the record, I friggen love the way Julian Love plays the game. Nicest kid off the field, but he plays with the lack of mercy you need against Navy. Delivered some big hits tonight and the one that put a smile on this coach's face was on the interception when he needlessly decleated the Navy split end who was out there in space and then just stared at him on the ground and walked away... That's how you beat that team soundly. Don't give them hope.

Martini had a big game, too. 15 tackles.
 
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This game is so hard to watch because of the way Navy plays........The constant line checks, their slow play calls to chew up the clock just takes all flow out of these games. While i wish we had won by more, I'll take the win.

I do like what Stepherson brings to the team. Stepherson is fun to watch and hopefully just getting started.
 
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Hey guys -- we're 9-2 (not to shabby) -- Have a great Thanksgiving guys!

(IIO -- do you have a Canadian Thanksgiving?) I love Thanksgiving - I cook the turkey and love that.

Wa
 
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Hey guys -- we're 9-2 (not to shabby) -- Have a great Thanksgiving guys!

(IIO -- do you have a Canadian Thanksgiving?) I love Thanksgiving - I cook the turkey and love that.

Wa

Yes sir. We just have it a month earlier than you guys, in October.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours Stu!
 
Look I'll give Navy props. They are difficult to defend. However, ND could have given Navy a dose of their own medicine. Go two tight end sets and just maul them. It would have worked all game. By the third quarter they would be the ones gasping for air.
 
Show of hands. Anyone in this thread actually ever played against Navy other than talking to some of them? Anybody ever face the Ken Niumatalolo offense? I'm thinking no.
 
This right here shows exactly why you've absolutely zero...i mean ZERO.. class.
88ND! IO is the smartest poster on this board. He actually has football experience, unlike your opinionated ass with none. He's right and you're wrong.
 
Talking on the board and actually playing against Navy are two different things. One is very easy. One is extremely difficult.
 
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Talking on the board and actually playing against Navy are two different things. One is very easy. One is extremely difficult.
Navy's offense sort of reminds me of Mike Brey's "burn offense" in which possessions are limited and the score is kept down. We got off around 45 plays today, which is equal to maybe 60% of a normal game. Hard to blow a team out when you have 6 possessions or so and the talent disparity is concealed. Guess we'll just take the W and focus now on Stanford.
 
Our offense had 24 points and 330 yards on 47 plays (discounting the 2 knees). Assuming we get the usual 70 plays off that would equal a 36 point and 493 yard performance. Pretty decent. We just needed the defense to get off the field in those 3rd/4th and longs.
 
This right here shows exactly why you've absolutely zero...i mean ZERO.. class.
So i take it you like seeing our dlinemen get cut blocked every play and navy beating us. We survived this year. Imagine if we were still in the playoff hunt.
 
Talking on the board and actually playing against Navy are two different things. One is very easy. One is extremely difficult.

Yep. Doesn't mean you can't smoke them if you match their intensity and execution. Settling for less is an excuse. Bama rolls Navy by 40 and that should be ND's goal as well.
 
ND isn't Bama. Not sure they will ever be. Also not sure how Saban would approach the Navy offense squeezed into their season instead of Mercer or some sort of traditional offense. Navy doesn't achieve top five in rushing every season for the hell of it. From what I understand, Navy's option might look the same, game to game, year to year, but they install new wrinkles and slightly different blocking schemes that haven't been seen before. Every single ND defensive player whoever played against Navy will tell you how difficult it is. Physically and mentally. Jarrett Grace had great perspective on it last night on the post game show. Unless anyone here has actually played against Ken Niumatolo and his offense, their "expertise" is under whelming to say the least. Our offense is another matter. Why the hell are we passing on 3rd and two instead of running behind the big guys?
 
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Lmao. Martini got beaten bad in pass coverage twice? That happens against navy. Ridiculous comment.
 
How do we know that Bama rolls them by 40? Have they played navy in the last 15 years?
 
Everyone talking about having no mercy on Navy seems to miss the fact that they are just as good as we are.

They basically made two mistakes: the interception and the slow developing trick play at the end into the wind. They probably would have picked up the first down if the quarterback or fullback ran it.
 
Everyone talking about having no mercy on Navy seems to miss the fact that they are just as good as we are.

They basically made two mistakes: the interception and the slow developing trick play at the end into the wind. They probably would have picked up the first down if the quarterback or fullback ran it.


Nowhere near as good as the Irish. They run their gimmick offense better than anyone. If you watch that game we had 7 drives the whole game. Wimbush played very flat out of the gate. He hits those wide open receivers early, this game would be over at halftime. We gave Navy the confidence to potentially beat us early on. The other thing Navy's D scheme was good. They gang tackled, when Wimbush took off they were all aware etc. All it would have taken is the early success. Our D played extremely well. Considering the time of possession advantage Navy had we limited big plays and forced them to drive where for the most part it was not as successful as needed against a team like the Irish. I do not know what IIO thinks of this but Wimbush may not or should not be the long-term QB. If he cannot pass with some consistency and urgency we need another.
 
Show of hands. Anyone in this thread actually ever played against Navy other than talking to some of them? Anybody ever face the Ken Niumatalolo offense? I'm thinking no.
You don't have to be a jockey to ride a horse.
 
ND isn't Bama. Not sure they will ever be. Also not sure how Saban would approach the Navy offense squeezed into their season instead of Mercer or some sort of traditional offense. Navy doesn't achieve top five in rushing every season for the hell of it. From what I understand, Navy's option might look the same, game to game, year to year, but they install new wrinkles and slightly different blocking schemes that haven't been seen before. Every single ND defensive player whoever played against Navy will tell you how difficult it is. Physically and mentally. Jarrett Grace had great perspective on it last night on the post game show. Unless anyone here has actually played against Ken Niumatolo and his offense, their "expertise" is under whelming to say the least. Our offense is another matter. Why the hell are we passing on 3rd and two instead of running behind the big guys?

Navy is extremely hard to stop, especially when you only have a short window to prepare for them...

1. That doesn't mean you jump offside on 4th down and give them with a chance to stop them in their tracks. They hard count and motion all the time on 4th down in an attempt to get you to jump. That's a mental error and what I'm talking about in matching their execution.

2. Muffing a punt that should have been fair caught in a rainstorm is another example. Giving Navy extra possessions is absolutely detrimental because they just bleed the clock on you. Finke has no business trying to make a play in the return game against that team, in those conditions, at that score, at that spot on the field. The lack of situational awareness troubles me significantly there.

3. Wimbush has got to be better. Navy's corners are putrid. Those receivers were wise open all game long and his pocket was clean 95% of the time. Again, you have to execute better or they are driving to tie the game against you late.

4. There is simply no exuse not to run right at Navy Remember Tarean Folston doing that a couple years ago? Running laterally and to the edge allows Navy's smaller defenders to hustle and relly to the ball. The way to demoralize them is to hammer away between your guards and to drag them after contact.

It's hard to prepare for their offensive scheme. Nobody sane would question that. Regardless, the defense held them to 17 points. The reason that game was close was because of the offense, special teams and a couple untimely defensive penalties and missed tackles.
 
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I'm wondering if we are physically just wearing down. We all know before last spring our strength and conditioning was a huge issue. While I think we made huge strides with the new program I also believe it takes more than 8 months to get a team prepared for a grueling season. Three months into our season our defense looks more like last years and our offense is not was physical as it was in the beginning and middle of they year.
 
Personally, I love the Navy game. To me it is what college football should be all about, tradition and respect. Yes Navy plays hard. That's called football my friends. Having said that, it isn't complicated (notice I didn't say easy) as to how to shut down Navy's defense. It is assignment football. There is a reason every team isn't running this type of offense. It's because defenses learned how to stop it. Apparently it is extremely difficult to prepare for it in one week. But as far as the game goes, don't you love the fact that after the game there is true admiration between both teams. They both honor each other at the end of the game. I can only speak for myself, but to me that is good for college football, good for Navy and good for Notre Dame.
 
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Personally, I love the Navy game. To me it is what college football should be all about, tradition and respect. Yes Navy plays hard. That's called football my friends. Having said that, it isn't complicated (notice I didn't say easy) as to how to shut down Navy's defense. It is assignment football. There is a reason every team isn't running this type of offense. It's because defenses learned how to stop it. Apparently it is extremely difficult to prepare for it in one week. But as far as the game goes, don't you love the fact that after the game there is true admiration between both teams. They both honor each other at the end of the game. I can only speak for myself, but to me that is good for college football, good for Navy and good for Notre Dame.
I do love the respect for Navy and vice versa. I also agree with IIO, save that for after the game. Until then, no mercy.
 
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Navy is extremely hard to stop, especially when you only have a short window to prepare for them...

1. That doesn't mean you jump offside on 4th down and give them with a chance to stop them in their tracks. They hard count and motion all the time on 4th down in an attempt to get you to jump. That's a mental error and what I'm talking about in matching their execution.

2. Muffing a punt that should have been fair caught in a rainstorm is another example. Giving Navy extra possessions is absolutely detrimental because they just bleed the clock on you. Finke has no business trying to make a play in the return game against that team, in those conditions, at that score, at that spot on the field. The lack of situational awareness troubles me significantly there.

3. Wimbush has got to be better. Navy's corners are putrid. Those receivers were wise open all game long and his pocket was clean 95% of the time. Again, you have to execute better or they are driving to tie the game against you late.

4. There is simply no exuse not to run right at Navy Remember Tarean Folston doing that a couple years ago? Running laterally and to the edge allows Navy's smaller defenders to hustle and relly to the ball. The way to demoralize them is to hammer away between your guards and to drag them after contact.

It's hard to prepare for their offensive scheme. Nobody sane would question that. Regardless, the defense held them to 17 points. The reason that game was close was because of the offense, special teams and a couple untimely defensive penalties and missed tackles.

In the last two games, I do not understand why the coaching staff did not run up the middle. Also, The WR was open anytime they wanted it. Wimbush needs to play better with more consistency. If I am the coaching staff I am looking at the backup QB's with more urgency especially Jurkovec (sp) during spring and fall camps
 
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