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I am sure the answer is yes.............................

....but does every major program have the drama queens that we have? You would think we've never lost a high profile recruit before.

clearly you do not follow recruiting in depth.

This was not the ordinary 'elsewhere commit'

It is End of Aug. and basically ND had agreed as part of the recruiting effort to HJ that they would not offer anyone else of stature. ND was more all in than the fans! Then there is the read on HJ's commitment to basically say he has been recruiting for UT for some time.

ND is scrambbling now to get aboard with other QB's. It can be done but it will be a tough road!
 
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(oh, some posters saw this coming and read the red flags; as usual they were called out for not being optimistic enough and having trust in the staff)
 
....but does every major program have the drama queens that we have? You would think we've never lost a high profile recruit before.
The staff should play their cards closer to the belt....
 
clearly you do not follow recruiting in depth.

This was not the ordinary 'elsewhere commit'

It is End of Aug. and basically ND had agreed as part of the recruiting effort to HJ that they would not offer anyone else of stature. ND was more all in than the fans! Then there is the read on HJ's commitment to basically say he has been recruiting for UT for some time.

ND is scrambbling now to get aboard with other QB's. It can be done but it will be a tough road!
This kid is a 2017 recruit, right? So we have like 18 months before that class even signs their LOIs? This is all the same BS sky is falling crap as last year with Barnett de-committing Then we get Wimbush, and it's like, "ok, never mind".
 
No worries. A QB in BK's offense is easier to recruit for than you think.

Think about this....does BK rely on a pro style attack with 5-7 step drops and then thread the needle over the middle? NO!

Truth be told I just want a good athlete in that position running BK's offense.
 
^ apparently Kelly and staff disagree with you; they keep pursuing the Barnetts and Johnsons!

Are you saying they don't know what they are doing?
 
Fortunately recruiting is like Baseball. No one bats 1.000 and .333 is pretty darned good -- even when we are talking about 16-year old kids who have 2 years of high school ball left to play.

BK could win two NC's before this kid gets a high school diploma, but the recruitniks (drama queens I think the OP called them) will bring this up until we get a different coach.
 
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I mean yall see the irony in treating a few posts saying recruit "x" going elsewhere is disappointing as though the board is having a meltdown when complaining about overreactions right?
 
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It can be a big loss and not the end of the world. I also said ND could get a very good qb instead of Johnson but I think the staff wanted him bad and being from Indiana you would like ND to be able to keep a talent like that in state because Indiana doesn't exactly produce a ton of huge name guys.

Yall are acting like people are calling for BKs head because they didn't close Johnson or that people are suggesting this recruiting loss is going to cripple the program. Literally overreacting to posters expressing disappointment by suggesting they are overreacting... irony
 
It can be a big loss and not the end of the world. I also said ND could get a very good qb instead of Johnson but I think the staff wanted him bad and being from Indiana you would like ND to be able to keep a talent like that in state because Indiana doesn't exactly produce a ton of huge name guys.

Yall are acting like people are calling for BKs head because they didn't close Johnson or that people are suggesting this recruiting loss is going to cripple the program. Literally overreacting to posters expressing disappointment by suggesting they are overreacting... irony

Cutler, George, Grossman, Kiel, Mirer.... not a ton, but some decent names....
 
It can be a big loss and not the end of the world. I also said ND could get a very good qb instead of Johnson but I think the staff wanted him bad and being from Indiana you would like ND to be able to keep a talent like that in state because Indiana doesn't exactly produce a ton of huge name guys.

Yall are acting like people are calling for BKs head because they didn't close Johnson or that people are suggesting this recruiting loss is going to cripple the program. Literally overreacting to posters expressing disappointment by suggesting they are overreacting... irony
What is this yall crap? Just kidding. It is hard to call a 2017 recruit a big loss unless ND fans on its attempt to bring aboard a quality QB.
 
Zaire - Kizer - Wimbush -

Just a guess but I would have to think these three guys had an influence on Johnson's decision

Ghost of Gunner Kiel


Next ......
 
^ apparently Kelly and staff disagree with you; they keep pursuing the Barnetts and Johnsons!

Are you saying they don't know what they are doing?
I'm saying they can get away with a decent overall athlete playing QB.
Sure why not aim high in recruiting. But if they miss it's not an eggs in one basket thing here.
I would much rather see them go after the top defensive guys...particularly down the middle. Interior d line, inside backers, safeties. If they can get the top of those guys then slowing people down get easier. Notice I said slowing down because NCAA 2015 everyone is going to score some points against everyone. You just have to keep it to a minimum.
 
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This kid is a 2017 recruit, right? So we have like 18 months before that class even signs their LOIs? This is all the same BS sky is falling crap as last year with Barnett de-committing Then we get Wimbush, and it's like, "ok, never mind".
If ND could ever win consistently again you wouldn't see the bitching.

The people like you that are fine with 7-5 will never understand people who are competitive. Changes from the administration and a new coach would give ND a shot at 10+ win seasons again. Time is slipping away.

These recruits were growing up when the Florida schools were dominant and when usc was too. They have no reason to think positively of ND. It's time to get a coach that doesn't have a POS offense.
 
If ND could ever win consistently again you wouldn't see the bitching.

The people like you that are fine with 7-5 will never understand people who are competitive. Changes from the administration and a new coach would give ND a shot at 10+ win seasons again. Time is slipping away.

These recruits were growing up when the Florida schools were dominant and when usc was too. They have no reason to think positively of ND. It's time to get a coach that doesn't have a POS offense.

Clueless. Absolutely clueless.
 
If ND could ever win consistently again you wouldn't see the bitching.

The people like you that are fine with 7-5 will never understand people who are competitive. Changes from the administration and a new coach would give ND a shot at 10+ win seasons again. Time is slipping away.

These recruits were growing up when the Florida schools were dominant and when usc was too. They have no reason to think positively of ND. It's time to get a coach that doesn't have a POS offense.
:eek::oops::rolleyes:o_O People who are "competitive" do not attach themselves to another entity, in this case ND football, to do the competing for them. We are fans, we are not competing. There may be other aspects of your life where you are competing, but ND football isn't one of them.
 
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