Harder to be a ND fan than ever.......

[OneillIrish]

IMO any students needing a "safe" space should be sent to college in North Korea.....or Syria to get a wake up call on WHY they should Love AMERICA!!

MAGA!!!

It goes against the very concept of college....where you're supposed to be exposed to new ideas, have your ideas challenged, forced to rethink how you see the world, etc.

I have no idea how colleges are now justifying this type of "group think" and "echo chamber" behavior....in safe spaces.

 

[echowaker]

If it makes you feel any better, based on my experiences, I think that's the case.

There are a lot of effort/toughness/competitiveness issues with my generation (as there have been with every generation) but there are a lot of assets and positives too. If pervious generations continue to invest in my generation, in terms of teaching/molding, I think we'll continue to squeak by.

However, it's possible that my view on this is skewed by my experiences.

Doesn t sound like you have had very many meaningful experiences in your young life.

 

[Telx1]

Well said.

I may not agree with every outcome, but I'm very rarely upset by a well informed and well reasoned opinion.

In fact, being presented with those types of opinions is great, especially when you disagree with them, because it challenges you to fairly articulate a specific reason that you disagree with it.

Those are really enjoyable and productive conversations.

Oneill... well, I'm 67 and still enjoy these conversations with friends tens year on either side of me, and these represent the full range from Trump lovers to Bernie lovers, and everything in between. Reminds me of the late night bull sessions in college, except we drink good wine and say goodnight much earlier. All highly educated and well informed, just with different views and without the vitriol that seems to pass for political debate in this country today. That said, I am amazed at the lack of knowledge and serious interest in these matters by most of our offspring, nearly all of whom are likewise well educated and financially very successful millennials, most of whom liked Bernie because they like the idea of free college and free healthcare, not critically thinking through that nothing is free! Discouraging to say the least.

 

[OneillIrish]

Doesn t sound like you have had very many meaningful experiences in your young life.

What are you basing that assessment on? The fact that I still have hope for my generation?

Please, do tell...

 

[OneillIrish]

Oneill... well, I'm 67 and still enjoy these conversations with friends tens year on either side of me, and these represent the full range from Trump lovers to Bernie lovers, and everything in between. Reminds me of the late night bull sessions in college, except we drink good wine and say goodnight much earlier. All highly educated and well informed, just with different views and without the vitriol that seems to pass for political debate in this country today. That said, I am amazed at the lack of knowledge and serious interest in these matters by most of our offspring, nearly all of whom are likewise well educated and financially very successful millennials, most of whom liked Bernie because they like the idea of free college and free healthcare, not critically thinking through that nothing is free! Discouraging to say the least.

It's always sad when someone who should be able to address issues on an analytic level just chooses not to.

Fortunately, I've always found that my friends have an interest in discussing their viewpoints, especially after we start to put a few back.

There is a lot that needs to change, that's for sure.

And positive change won't happen if the best and brightest don't engage meaningfully with the issues.

Hopefully you'll rub off on a few more young folks yet!

 

[beachcardinal]

It's always sad when someone who should be able to address issues on an analytic level just chooses not to.

Fortunately, I've always found that my friends have an interest in discussing their viewpoints, especially after we start to put a few back.

There is a lot that needs to change, that's for sure.

And positive change won't happen if the best and brightest don't engage meaningfully with the issues.

Hopefully you'll rub off on a few more young folks yet!

Pomona Students (a little know but highly thought of college) just petitioned the College President arguing that free speech rights were inherently racist and the objectivity was a creation of the white men to hold other down. May God help us all.

 

[OneillIrish]

Pomona Students (a little know but highly thought of college) just petitioned the College President arguing that free speech rights were inherently racist and the objectivity was a creation of the white men to hold other down. May God help us all.

Holy. Sh*t.

We've officially come full circle.

I ca see why the MSM doesn't want to bring attention to these types of totalitarian views/tendencies by the left.....the ties to Stalin/Hitler are too clear.

 

[beachcardinal]

It is strange to see those using villence to stop free preach chanting that those they oppose are fascists. Apparently irony is no longer taught in school.

 

[perseverare]

Yep; they believe in free speech for them.

 

[NDIRISH53]

RIP UNCLE BILL

 

[ivan brunetti]

RIP UNCLE BILL

Good Riddance. Somehow though, I doubt Fox is going to replace him with Jon Stewart.

 

[twalsh]

RIP UNCLE BILL

As a commentator I like O'Reilly a lot, but the guy clearly has some issues that he hasn't managed to harness. Can't really feel sorry for him. He won't starve.

 

[rgc7]

As a commentator I like O'Reilly a lot, but the guy clearly has some issues that he hasn't managed to harness. Can't really feel sorry for him. He won't starve.

I too liked O'reily. Whatever he may or may not have done none of have any idea. Exactly what is sexual Harassment ? Is it off color comments, coming on to the oposite sex verbally, actual physical advances ,
offering Career advancement for sex ?
Just questions ? I leave the answers to the lawyers on the board ! It seems that law suits are
getting more and more common in our society, are very expensive ( guilty or not ) , and many times,
they are so expensive that big money people settle rather that have the cases drag on ?
As far as O'reiley's program went, I thought that he was quite good, but I think now Waters will
step right in and do a great job ?

 

[Pennick44]

You have trouble spelling tying. Work on your own problems.

Is NIN short for ninny? #maga

 

[NDEwing18]

I too liked O'reily. Whatever he may or may not have done none of have any idea. Exactly what is sexual Harassment ? Is it off color comments, coming on to the oposite sex verbally, actual physical advances ,
offering Career advancement for sex ?
Just questions ? I leave the answers to the lawyers on the board ! It seems that law suits are
getting more and more common in our society, are very expensive ( guilty or not ) , and many times,
they are so expensive that big money people settle rather that have the cases drag on ?
As far as O'reiley's program went, I thought that he was quite good, but I think now Waters will
step right in and do a great job ?

The allegations are publicly known, and I don't think there's much question that any of them amount to sexual harassment.

 

[Irishjohn68]

Good Riddance. Somehow though, I doubt Fox is going to replace him with Jon Stewart.

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God I hate Jon Stewart.

God I hate Jon Stewart.[/

 

[rgc7]

The allegations are publicly known, and I don't think there's much question that any of them amount to sexual harassment.

Just read this on BBC. " Black clerical worker know as " Hot Chocolate " at Fox charged that O'reily
leered at her when no one was around and it freighten her."

interesting To say the least ?

 

[NDEwing18]

Just read this on BBC. " Black clerical worker know as " Hot Chocolate " at Fox charged that O'reily
leered at her when no one was around and it freighten her."

interesting To say the least ?

There are multiple allegations from multiple people over a number of years, many of which are far more explicit than that.

 

[rgc7]

There are multiple allegations from multiple people over a number of years, many of which are far more explicit than that.

NDE,
I'll really haven't paid too much attention to O'reilly's legal problems so I' ll take you word on that, and I am certainly not trying to defend him.
BBC is certainly not a "Conservative" news media and the case that they gave seems to me ( as a non lawyer ) without much merit ?

 

[NIN Irish]

Is NIN short for ninny? #maga

Wow! That's hilarious.
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[NDEwing18]

NDE,
I'll really haven't paid too much attention to O'reilly's legal problems so I' ll take you word on that, and I am certainly not trying to defend him.
BBC is certainly not a "Conservative" news media and the case that they gave seems to me ( as a non lawyer ) without much merit ?

(1) the article refers to this person as a "new" accuser. Your previous posts seem to suggest that she's the only one.

(2) The BBC article states that O'Reilly gave her that nickname, when your previous post seems to suggest that she otherwise was known by that name. That makes a big difference.

 

[rgc7]

(1) the article refers to this person as a "new" accuser. Your previous posts seem to suggest that she's the only one.

(2) The BBC article states that O'Reilly gave her that nickname, when your previous post seems to suggest that she otherwise was known by that name. That makes a big difference.

NDE,
once again, I am not interested in defending O'reilly. i have no dog in the fight !
Perhaps you read the article or articles with greared interest and more detail than I did,
but what I read did say " was know around Fox as ...... "
My question on the whole situation ( to any attorneys on the board ) was just how easy
or difficult is it to start and make a case against a person for sexual harassment ?
Not that I ever really paid much attention or had any interest is law suits when I was a young man,
but I just don't recall " sexual harassment cases " whey back when ?
They seem to be happened more frequently ( especially against people with deep pockets ).
Once again, I am not taking side, making moral judgements, etc., but rather ASKING legal
opinions .

 

[rgc7]

NDE,
I stand corrected. I just went back to read the BBC article and you are correct the woman claimed that
O'reilly called her " Hot Chocolate ." So you are correct, I did misquote the article !

 

[NDEwing18]

NDE,
once again, I am not interested in defending O'reilly. i have no dog in the fight !
Perhaps you read the article or articles with greared interest and more detail than I did,
but what I read did say " was know around Fox as ...... "
My question on the whole situation ( to any attorneys on the board ) was just how easy
or difficult is it to start and make a case against a person for sexual harassment ?
Not that I ever really paid much attention or had any interest is law suits when I was a young man,
but I just don't recall " sexual harassment cases " whey back when ?
They seem to be happened more frequently ( especially against people with deep pockets ).
Once again, I am not taking side, making moral judgements, etc., but rather ASKING legal
opinions .

Unfortunately, for a number of years, sexual harassment was just tolerated. That's probably why there wasn't much done about it. I think there's a greater understanding now than there was before, fortunately. I don't think there were the number of lawsuits relating to racial discrimination 40, 50 or 60 years ago, but the absence of those lawsuits doesn't mean that it didn't occur.

Could you "make up" a case for sexual harassment? Sure. You can make up any type of case. And the fact that you settle doesn't mean that you're admitting any type of guilt. That being said, if I knew that charges were completely unfounded and I wasn't worried about something coming out in discovery that I didn't want people to know about, I'd probably consider having my day in court rather than settle. O'Reilly isn't exactly hurting for money to pay legal fees.

 

[OneillIrish]

Unfortunately, for a number of years, sexual harassment was just tolerated. That's probably why there wasn't much done about it. I think there's a greater understanding now than there was before, fortunately. I don't think there were the number of lawsuits relating to racial discrimination 40, 50 or 60 years ago, but the absence of those lawsuits doesn't mean that it didn't occur.

Could you "make up" a case for sexual harassment? Sure. You can make up any type of case. And the fact that you settle doesn't mean that you're admitting any type of guilt. That being said, if I knew that charges were completely unfounded and I wasn't worried about something coming out in discovery that I didn't want people to know about, I'd probably consider having my day in court rather than settle. O'Reilly isn't exactly hurting for money to pay legal fees.

For any company concerned about PR, it's far less about something coming out in discovery than:

(1) Simply being involved in the law suit is a PR nightmare, as the the court of public-opinion assumes you guilty, even if you proven yourself innocent

(2) Actual costs of litigation are often greater than the cost of the settlement

In this case, it doesn't seem either of these reasons is really applicable to O'Reilly...at least in my opinion
(5+ settlements, over several years, at the kind of dollar value we're talking about here...definitely indicates that something serious was going on, imo)

 

[NDIRISH53]

As a commentator I like O'Reilly a lot, but the guy clearly has some issues that he hasn't managed to harness. Can't really feel sorry for him. He won't starve.

Can't say you're wrong haha

 

[Pennick44]

Wow! That's hilarious.
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Find your safe space! #MAGA

 

[NIN Irish]

Find your safe space! #MAGA

 

[rgc7]

NDE, Oneill,
All good points ! We live in a very different society than the one I grew up with as a young man.
On the one hand, We watch Movies that show all types of violence including sexual violence, and are certainly sexually explicit with little left to the imagination. We seem to much less morally concerned about
casual sex than past generations were?
I am not trying to imply that the men of my generation had any less sex drive than any other generation, but the women were ,by and large, looking for a ring and a weding first ! Parents had curfew
times and college girls had to be signed out by their dates and returned back to the college. There were no such things as co ed dorms.
In short, our society seems to be less judgemental of casual sexual relations , and by and large ,
such relationships seem be quite readily available.
It simply blows my mind just how any man can be dumb enought to get himself involved
with having to harass a women to enter into a sexual relationship ?

 

[OneillIrish]

Still don't get how to use the phrase, huh?

Must be brutal, being unable to learn. Tell us about it...

 

[OneillIrish]

It simply blows my mind just how any man can be dumb enought to get himself involved
with having to harass a women to enter into a sexual relationship ?

For real.

For a guy as rich as him, it's flat out unbelievable (and pathetic)

 

[rgc7]

For real.

For a guy as rich as him, it's flat out unbelievable (and pathetic)

My thoughts exactly !

 

[NIN Irish]

Still don't get how to use the phrase, huh?

Must be brutal, being unable to learn. Tell us about it...

What phrase decker?
It's a noun.lol
You've been exposed.

 

[OneillIrish]

Perfect example of your inability to understand or discuss content, instead opting for childish antics

You humiliate yourself worse every time

It's honestly brutal what trying to debate people FAR smarter than you has done to you

 

[NIN Irish]

Perfect example of your inability to understand or discuss content, instead opting for childish antics

You humiliate yourself worse every time

It's honestly brutal what trying to debate people FAR smarter than you has done to you

You whine all the time, and you're repeating yourself all the time decker.

Who's debating? Lol I can tell you're not very smart. Maybe at least finish high school.

 

[OneillIrish]

You whine all the time, and you're repeating yourself all the time decker.

Who's debating? Lol I can tell you're not very smart. Maybe at least finish high school.

Must be rough being so stupid that you can't even understand that you're a joke, and are simply providing comic relief

I honestly pity you.

And I appreciate you dropping by and offering your skills as a jester

 

[NIN Irish]

Must be rough being so stupid that you can't even understand that you're a joke, and are simply providing comic relief

I honestly pity you.

And I appreciate you dropping by and offering your skills as a jester

Find your safe space.

 

[mec22]

I corrected the above for you.

Snow flake or not - it seems so many of these peoples preferred method of coping is setting their head on fire, throw tantrums, and bitch until they get their participation trophies.

 

[ivan brunetti]

Snow flake or not - it seems so many of these peoples preferred method of coping is setting their head on fire, throw tantrums, and bitch until they get their participation trophies.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Libtard Queen Rachel Maddow and Those Anticlimactic Tax Returns - throws another tantrum using Fake News!

MSNBC