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Harder to be a ND fan than ever.......

Protests on college campuses, as long as peaceful and respectful, are a healthy part of the college experience, and an important traditional show that our youth are engaged in current affairs. I applaud this whether liberal or conservative inspired. Protests aimed at shutting down speakers who hold different views, like what occurred at Berkeley for example, are examples of intellectual intolerance and thuggery that should be roundly denounced by all sides; and unfortunately, this has been the practice of liberals much more than conservatives for decades. Now what transpired in Berkeley would make it hard to be a fan, not the actions of ND students petitioning to protest Pence. I am not an alum, but I applaud the fact that ND shows the intellectual openness to have Obama and Pence with their polar opposite views keynote graduation ceremonies.

I generally agree with this.

But this type of protest is not meant to engage people in an intellectual conversation about the issue at had. That's even more true when you're trying to stop someone from even coming and speaking in first place.

These students are still a few steps away from making ND proud.
 
This is such a stupid and, frankly, offensive statement.

It doesn't matter if it offends you (at all), it's true.

The Democratic party has allowed themselves to be hijacked and the party now represents anti-police stances.

Just like every other Republican/Democrat stance, it's not representative of 100% of Democrats.....but it's the majority Dem stance now.

Dems need to reign in these pyschos and extremists in their party
(as do Republicans)
 
It doesn't matter if it offends you (at all), it's true.

The Democratic party has allowed themselves to be hijacked and the party now represents anti-police stances.

Just like every other Republican/Democrat stance, it's not representative of 100% of Democrats.....but it's the majority Dem stance now.

Dems need to reign in these pyschos and extremists in their party
(as do Republicans)

Yes - because this statement from Obama was incredibly anti-police, to the point that the executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police said that Obama's statement was "strong and timely": http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/obama-police-baton-rouge-225686

The problem with this country is not necessarily "reining in psychos and extremists", but, rather, those who don't actually engage with others of different thought and thus don't actually understand what others believe. It's the same issue with the stupid "war on women" message the Democrats were putting forward. It's overly broad, divisive and not representative at all of what people actually believe.
 
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And the right hates people of color and women.

Wow - it's really easy to make blanket, incorrect statements about entire groups of people.

The Republicans done pretty well with female voters. So that's a stupid argument, with no actual basis.

On the other hand, Republicans needs to do better with policies/outreach to minorities.
 
Yes - because this statement from Obama was incredibly anti-police, to the point that the executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police said that Obama's statement was "strong and timely": http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/obama-police-baton-rouge-225686

You think a statement outweighs enacted policies? And the thousands and thousands of statements that are anti-police?

You literally must be smarter than this, or you couldn't breath and type at the same time.
 
The problem with this country is not necessarily "reining in psychos and extremists", but, rather, those who don't actually engage with others of different thought and thus don't actually understand what others believe. It's the same issue with the stupid "war on women" message the Democrats were putting forward. It's overly broad, divisive and not representative at all of what people actually believe.

It's both.

We need t discourage this type of poltical extremism as a rule. It's devisive and serves no purpose.

The best method of doing that is actually getting people to talk with each other and engage in meaningful, academic discussion.

It's also critical that identity politics go the way of the dodo. We can't have the constant refrain of "well, if you support/believe X, then you hate X group of people"
 
It's both.

We need t discourage this type of poltical extremism as a rule. It's devisive and serves no purpose.

The best method of doing that is actually getting people to talk with each other and engage in meaningful, academic discussion.

It's also critical that identity politics go the way of the dodo. We can't have the constant refrain of "well, if you support/believe X, then you hate X group of people"

You're doing that by saying "if you're on the left and are concerned about treatment of minorities, then you hate the police."
 
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You're doing that by saying "if you're on the left and are concerned about treatment of minorities, then you hate the police."

I've never said that, at all.
I've said that the Democratic party has allowed itself to stake out an anti-police.

It's a 100% undeabteable fact that's what Dems have done.

Also, until Dems fix this type of disaster in their party, it should continue to be used against the Dem party as a cudgel

And it will be. The Dems have allowed extremists to make them the party of police-hate and rioting
 
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The Republicans done pretty well with female voters. So that's a stupid argument, with no actual basis.

On the other hand, Republicans needs to do better with policies/outreach to minorities.

It's did.
You claim to have graduated from ND and speak like this? You really must be smarter than this. And you're right republicans did well with uneducated women as they did with all the uneducated.

BTW, what is your other handle? The way you argue with every poster I have my suspicions.
 
the reality is the left believes what you said.

My issue with this statement is this:

"The Left" doesn't believe anything, that's a large group with varying beliefs.

However, the Democratic party itself has specific stances, even though each individual Dem may not agree with all of them.

The Democratic party has allowed itself to become the "Anti-Police Party", due to their support of the violent extremists in their party
 
It's did.
You claim to have graduated from ND and speak like this? You really must be smarter than this.

Confusing message boards and speaking?
And then thinking people proof read meaningless message board posts?

Wow.

That's about all that needs to be said for the intellectual quality of this post.

Wow........pathetic.
 
You really must be smarter than this. And you're right republicans did well with uneducated women as they did with all the uneducated.

BTW, what is your other handle? The way you argue with every poster I have my suspicions.

Ahhh....elitism.

Nothing better than when the actual party of bigotry shows its true colors.

Thanks for outing yourself.
Now run along, the adults are talking.
 
Ahhh....elitism.

Nothing better than when the actual party of bigotry shows its true colors.

Thanks for outing yourself.
Now run along, the adults are talking.

It's not elitism, it's a fact big guy. The republicans do well with the uneducated.

You still didn't answer the question. What is/are your other handles?
 
Confusing message boards and speaking?
And then thinking people proof read meaningless message board posts?

Wow.

That's about all that needs to be said for the intellectual quality of this post.

Wow........pathetic.

If you're writing/typing like this it's safe to assume you speak like this big guy...Wow pathetic indeed.
 
It's not elitism, it's a fact big guy. The republicans do well with the uneducated.

You still didn't answer the question. What is/are your other handles?

That is by definition elitism.

Again, it's great to see the party of bigotry and totalitarianism outing itself on this board.

How can you possibly justify this kind of attitude?
 
Name calling is the choice of the uneducated.

Again, you actually outed yourself, and your entire party, as an elitist and bigot in this very thread.

It's not up for debate, it's something you've proven to be true yourself.

You should rethink your bigoted world view, and realize that you can't just devalue the opinions of groups of people that you don't like
 
Again, you actually outed yourself, and your entire party, as an elitist and bigot in this very thread.

It's not up for debate, it's something you've proven to be true yourself.

You should rethink your bigoted world view, and realize that you can't just devalue the opinions of groups of people that you don't like

It's not debatable, name calling is the choice of the uneducated. Why does this anger you so much?

Also, I don't represent any entire party. Jeez.

Still waiting for your other handle names.o_O
 
It's not debatable, name calling is the choice of the uneducated. Why does this anger you so much?

Also, I don't represent any entire party. Jeez.

Still waiting for your other handle names.o_O

I haven't called you a name. I just pointed out that your behavior in this thread reveals your nature as a bigot and an elitist.

That's a FACT that anyone can see from reading this thread.
Do you actually want to try to debate that point now??

And the stance you've revealed about yourself ITT are very common of the Democratic party
(and you're a fantastic anecdotal example)
 
It doesn't matter if it offends you (at all), it's true.

The Democratic party has allowed themselves to be hijacked and the party now represents anti-police stances.

Just like every other Republican/Democrat stance, it's not representative of 100% of Democrats.....but it's the majority Dem stance now.

Dems need to reign in these pyschos and extremists in their party
(as do Republicans)
You saying so doesn't t make it true.its opinion,no more,no less.
 
Protesters who break the law should be arrested and be made to face trial.

Police who break the law should be arrested and be made to face trial.

See? A person can be for both "law and order" AND holding police accountable. It isn't an either/or choice.
 
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Protesters who break the law should be arrested and be made to face trial.

Police who break the law should be arrested and be made to face trial.

See? A person can be for both "law and order" AND holding police accountable. It isn't an either/or choice.
Each and every profession has their share of bad eggs.
 
Stay classy Tommy! Don't be reminded that 348 instigated all of this with Perse coming up his rear.
Calling them as I see them. People like you who lie, distort, and root for the failure of the USA as a country are pure trash.
 
What I miss is honest debate. The ability of both sides to express their positions in a effort to persuade the listener. And (in my simple world) faculty and students should embrace the opportunity to listen to both sides of an issue and form their own opinions. Isn't that what advanced education is all about?
 
Protesters who break the law should be arrested and be made to face trial.

Police who break the law should be arrested and be made to face trial.

See? A person can be for both "law and order" AND holding police accountable. It isn't an either/or choice.

If the police actually break the law, and that can be proven, then we all agree.

But the police haven't broken the law in many of these instances, especially many of the highest profile examples.

However, the rioters have broken the law....and even are being arrested....but Dems still aren't denouncing violent rioting and illegal protests as a form of expression

The law need to become FAR more punitive for illegal protests (which is finally happening) so that law enforcement can make examples out of these rioters
 
You saying so doesn't t make it true.its opinion,no more,no less.

It's the stance that the Democratic party has allowed themselves to be painted with.

The fact that it's a commonly held opinion makes it a fact, by the nature of the topic being discussed.

So yes, it's a 100% undebateble fact.

The Democratic party has allowed themselves to become the anti-police, anti-laws party
(thanks to extremists)

This is one of hte major reasons that Dems have plummetted out of power at literally every level of government, nationwide
 
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If the police actually break the law, and that can be proven, then we all agree.

But the police haven't broken the law in many of these instances, especially many of the highest profile examples.

However, the rioters have broken the law....and even are being arrested....but Dems still aren't denouncing violent rioting and illegal protests as a form of expression

The law need to become FAR more punitive for illegal protests (which is finally happening) so that law enforcement can make examples out of these rioters

The police are much more likely to avoid prosecution than anyone else filmed breaking the law.

Rioters are breaking the law and should be arrested. Protesters on the other hand are not breaking the law and are protected by the constitution.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/14/us/georgia-gwinnett-county-officers-fired-video-trnd/
 
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