Losing is bad enough BUT I refuse to support/admire stupid, childish students. MAKE AMERICA AND Notre Dame GREAT AGAIN!!!
Harder to be a ND fan than ever.......
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Then don't root for the University, snowflake. Trust me - we won't miss you.
348
I get it and honestly, you did not deserve such an undignified attack by another poster.
I get it and honestly, you did not deserve such an undignified attack by another poster.
Students learning to think critically on their own; developing, cultivating, formulating opinions; opinions that will likely change countless times over the course of their lives; challenging convention and what the were conditioned to believe over the course of their limited life experience; how much more stupid and childish could that be? If only the entire world agreed with all the opinions you held then the world would be a better place and the Irish would be easier to support!
Go Irish! Be Ignorant!
You're not using the term "snowflake" correctly.
It applies when people are complaining about how they're being treated.
As an alumn, I'd certainly like to see less of the snowflake mentality that's been publicized about current students. It gives the school a bad image, and that has impacts.
There is a difference between expressing ideas, protesting....and just being a petulant child
It's not about forcing people (students) to conform to your ideas.
It's great for students to think for themselves. It's especially great for them to proactively identify problems and constructively conceive/suggest solutions.
But students (and everyone) should be taught the lesson that how you express those ideas will have a major impact on how effectively they're received.
For example, just complaining about something you don't like will almost never help your cause.
Additionally, failing to show appropriate respect to people that you want to convert to your cause is equally self-damaging.
From what I've seen being reported by the MSM, there is a lot of education that needs to happen about how to actually convey ideas in a productive, meaningful manner....instead of just acting like spoiled, entitled children.
Thus, the criticism is well deserved, based on actual behavior, even if they started out with good intentions.
Hopefully a heavy dose of criticism for students acting like children will get some of them to take the next step from "good intention, childish execution" into actually being constructive, thought provoking leaders that ND can be proud of.
Wrong.
It specifically refers to people complaining about how they're being treated, and nothing else.
But I get that you'd like to obfuscate that.
Not obfuscating it at all.
You also suggested in the above that it's self-damaging to not show proper respect to people who you are trying to convert to your cause. But, I suppose, there's an exception for calling people "snowflakes" who you disagree with. That, clearly, isn't self-damaging because you can refer to people as whatever you'd like. Got it.
You are in fact trying to obfuscate the plain meaning of the term "snowflake" in this context:
Snowflake - A person who complains, unreasonably or childishly, about how they're being mistreated
And yes, acting like a snowflake is self-damaging, if you're trying to convince people of the validity of the harm
I'm not trying to convince "snowflakes" of anything, and thus I have no issue pointing out that they're snowflakes.
You do understand how self-damaging this type of behavior is, right?
I do, which is why people who think others are "snowflakes" should maybe use some other approach to trying to convince them that they are wrong.
Disagree. A snowflake is someone who is upset about something that is inconsequential. Like being upset over some students protesting Pence or Obama.
Only problem I have with college kids having such a hatred for trump and conservatives in general is because most of it is unfounded group think
As an alumni I couldn't be prouder of students exercising their constitutional rights.
I don't blame students who are a minority, or women, or gay, or who care about their privacy or who care about their minority or gay or female fellow students for speaking their minds. That is the American way. And even though I disagree with a lot of what Pence believes (to his credit he did co-sponser
Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2012, which Jeff Sessions voted against!) I also respect ND's decision to invite him. Isn't that the American way?
If that makes us snowflakes, build me a snowman.
I don't blame students who are a minority, or women, or gay, or who care about their privacy or who care about their minority or gay or female fellow students for speaking their minds. That is the American way. And even though I disagree with a lot of what Pence believes (to his credit he did co-sponser
Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2012, which Jeff Sessions voted against!) I also respect ND's decision to invite him. Isn't that the American way?
If that makes us snowflakes, build me a snowman.
Stay classy Tommy! Don't be reminded that 348 instigated all of this with Perse coming up his rear.
I used to admire anyone with a Notre Dame degree. The next one I meet will be asked......did you protest both biden and Pence???
MAGA!!!!!
MAGA!!!!!
Pointing out that people are complaining too much, instead of pursuing meaningful dialogues is not wrong.
Now, actually treating those people poorly...that would be very wrong. Just because you disagree with someone, or the way they're acting, doesn't justify mistreating them.
But people acting like children need to know that they're acting like pathetic children
It's not actually up for debate. It's what the term actually means.
Not to mention, even by your definition.....these kids are snowflakes.
I'm a huge fans of people expressing their beliefs.
It's just how they do it that bothers me.
These aren't attempts to start meaningful intellectual dialogues or convince people of the validity of their positions.
These just appear to be attempts to complain via media.
There isn't anything I respect about that
The biggest problem is not if these students agree or disagree that the VP is speaking @ Notre Dame. These students should give respect by listening what VP Pence has to say. They do no have to agree. the problem on campus today is the left wants to shut down conversation. So you get mindless protests where they are not critically thinking or worse shouting down speakers, preventing people from hearing someone speak or riots. These have happened at various campuses around the country, This is not something to be proud of nor is it thinking critically. Essentially its a bunch of Maoist indoctrinated students who are not capable of thinking. Any yes Notre Dame has moronic left wing robotic students also.
So the students who boycotted Obama then were disrespecting him and trying to shut down conversation?
I have no issue with students using their right to petition or protest a speaker. It's generally a harmless exercise. There's no evidence that any of these students are "shouting down" Pence or rioting or preventing him from speaking.
Words of advice growing up for my two college age daughters. Life isn't easy life isn't fair. Never miss class or work.There is never an excuse to be late to anything. While you live in this house everything will be equal when you leave on your own that will change. God help me if a graduation speaker ever affects them in any way.
Agree, it isn't up for debate. Snowflake can refer to both those on the left and the right. There is no reason that some of the kids and some of those who are upset with protest aren't both snowflakes.
It can refer to anyone of any political leaning.
But it only refers to people complaining about how they're being treated, when it's not actually reasonable to do so.
That only applies ot one group, in this instance.
Protests on college campuses, as long as peaceful and respectful, are a healthy part of the college experience, and an important traditional show that our youth are engaged in current affairs. I applaud this whether liberal or conservative inspired. Protests aimed at shutting down speakers who hold different views, like what occurred at Berkeley for example, are examples of intellectual intolerance and thuggery that should be roundly denounced by all sides; and unfortunately, this has been the practice of liberals much more than conservatives for decades. Now what transpired in Berkeley would make it hard to be a fan, not the actions of ND students petitioning to protest Pence. I am not an alum, but I applaud the fact that ND shows the intellectual openness to have Obama and Pence with their polar opposite views keynote graduation ceremonies.
Here's a story you won't catch on Fox News. Cops kick and punch handcuffed man
Yet they'll lead you to believe the left has allowed society to be more anti-police. This is not a left/right problem but an American problem.
Yet they'll lead you to believe the left has allowed society to be more anti-police. This is not a left/right problem but an American problem.
Yes students who protested Obama should listen to Obama. that said, I hope the school did not cover up any religious symbols like georgetown did in honor of our Maoist president.
Some protestors have shut down free speech. So they can prevent others from speaking
Twelve you are a leftist Idiot. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/04/13/latest-police-fire-2-officers-say-assaulted-man.html
So what are you saying about my son who is a cop. And the left is anti police.
This is such a stupid and, frankly, offensive statement.
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