Fisher names Golson starter
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http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-DeAndre-Johnson-129319
http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Deondre-Francois-150581
https://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Malik-Henry-155432
He had a third 4* QB committed in the 2015 class that backed out because there were two others. Francois and Henry both have very high ceilings, with Henry already being compared to Winston.
I've got nothing against FSU or Jimbo (other than the silly name). But if he's been dominating quarterback recruiting, why did he need Golson to step in and fill the gap Winston's departure created? Did you have a bunch of guys transfer?
This is worthy of bumping - if Jimbo is such a great developer of QBs then why did NDs second string QB transfer and win the starting role?
The QB you will see starting for Alabama this year, Jacob Coker, would have been the starter after Jameis left.
Jimbo is a nickname. When he was younger, he was known to be a big fan of beef jerky so he was nicknamed Slim Jimbo. The Jimbo part stuck. His first name is John.
Pete's Carroll's quarterback recruiting success at USC. Including getting a Heisman winner and project 1st rounder to stick around for another year.
BK has recruited three starting QBs this year (EG, GK, and MZ) and I agree with his choice at ND.
You would think he would have stuck around and let Jimbo develop him in a top NFL QB. I wonder if he regrets his decision.
all four combined have been failures at the nfl level to this point and that's not likely to change.
unfortunately none of those QB'S have done a lick at the next level. great for the FSU system and nothing else. that's jimbo job. win at his level.
Just looking at the last 2 years, I am cool with that, I think its biased hyperbole but I am cool with that.
There is an immense amount of talent being recruited at ND. Doubtfully, there are three starting QBs starting around the CFB world this year not credited to a year under BK.
That is on a completely different level then what FSU is going. Much more in line with how I would characterize something that is Absolutely dominate.
No...While it's killing him he is at FSU Argus or which ever usernames he's using at the time is a Golson supporter. Besides this poster had no spelling or grammatical errors I saw. Can't be him.
As no1e pointed out, it didn't just start two years ago. I listed those to show he continues to do so.
Either way, like I said, no coach has ever had three starters in a row drafted in the first round in the history of football. My point is that is extremely attractive to recruits and continues to show in the QB's he brings in.
That was kind of my point, if you're going to attribute great QB success at FSU to those guys then BQ and JC should also be in the convo with their less than stellar careers. Either way, even with the 3 straight QBs in the first round, no one is looking at FSU or Jimbo as some molder and developer/ QB U.
For those FSU faithful, I would be willing to bet that there has never been a CFB coach recruit so much talent at QB before where three of his recruits who spent a year or more under his tutelage were starting at D-1 schools in the same year...EG, GK, MZ
I recently read that Malik Henry's coaches decided that he could not return to the IMG Academy for the 2016 season due to recurring maturity issues. Fortunately for FSU fans, he still plans on enrolling early.
Let's talk reality here. Fisher has never produced a qb that has been successful in the NFL. He gets ND's 2nd team qb with a ton of skill because he knew it would be a lost season with Maguire, so he promised EG a starting position. (At least he didn't lie to EG) Good for Golson, but that does not change the fact that MZ had earned the starting position at ND and EG left for greener pastures and won't have to go to class so he can concentrate of FB.
It will be fun to watch Mo1e and other FSU a-holes slobber over EG after three years of them talking about how terrible he was performing at ND.
Fisher is not a good man, a decent coach, but a bad human being who does nothing to stem the violence his players have inflicted on his community and can't even keep his wife from catting around. EG simply needs to keep his head down, remember the life lessons he learned at ND and not be colored by the sick atmosphere sponsored by FSU in Tallahassee.
It will be fun to watch Mo1e and other FSU a-holes slobber over EG after three years of them talking about how terrible he was performing at ND.
Fisher is not a good man, a decent coach, but a bad human being who does nothing to stem the violence his players have inflicted on his community and can't even keep his wife from catting around. EG simply needs to keep his head down, remember the life lessons he learned at ND and not be colored by the sick atmosphere sponsored by FSU in Tallahassee.
When he enrolled there, Chris Weinke was the head coach and ran a very FSU/pro-style type offense and that was perfect to prepare him for college. Weinke left and went to the Rams and another guy took over that ran a different style of O. He and Malik butted heads right off the bat and Malik felt like he was wasting his time. Hoping the maturity issues are not a big problem.
You're smarter then that, those are 2 different arguments. Jimbo has coached a lot of QB's that have been drafted. The success of those QB's in the pros is "meh" at best but it doesn't change the fact that kids want a chance to get to the pros and he has a history of getting kids there. Your characterization of FSU recruiting however is off. They got Winston in '12, what is now just Francois in '15 and will probably hold on to Henry in '16. Not what I would call dominate recruiting at that position.
You are CORRECT!!!!! The sooner everyone realizes that you were a football coach, former player and are friends with Holtz the better. Let's talk reality indeed.....
http://www.southbendtribune.com/new...d04-4f1f-11e5-b61f-2fbb98266b5a.html?mode=jqm
Jimbo recruited EJ Manuel, ranked as the #2 dual-threat in the nation and 43rd player overall. De'Andre Johnson also counts regardless of being kicked out. Just about every school in the country was after him. Adding in Winston, Francois and Henry to that, you can say it's not dominant if you want and I will continue to disagree. Cool.
22- that is digging deep trying to bring EJ into the game 7-8 cycles ago.
Even if I given you Johnson, who won't ever play for Jimbo (3*, not top 10 at his position, not top 250 talent but nice offer list) and let you count Henry (don't think he will flip so its a gimmie imo) that is 5 qb's in 8 cycles... to absolutely dominate recruiting I am thinking a run that looks like 6 years w/at least 5 top 10 in their position ranking and 3 or more of them top 5.
Its all semantics I suppose.
Ex-
UGA Running Back (2008 -2014)
14 - Sony Michel (5*, 3 RB) Nick Chubb (5*, 5 RB)
12- Keith Marshall (5*, 1RB), Todd Gurley (4*, 7 RB)
11- Isaiah Crowell (5*, 1 RB)
10 - Ken Malcome (4*, 10 RB)
09 - Washaun Ealey (4*, 10 RB)
08 - Richard Samuel (5*, 3 RB), Carlton Thomas (4*, 13 RB)
Obviously all those dudes didn't pan out but over a 6 year period you didn't go into Georgia and take out a big time recruit. That's dominant.
Even if I given you Johnson, who won't ever play for Jimbo (3*, not top 10 at his position, not top 250 talent but nice offer list) and let you count Henry (don't think he will flip so its a gimmie imo) that is 5 qb's in 8 cycles... to absolutely dominate recruiting I am thinking a run that looks like 6 years w/at least 5 top 10 in their position ranking and 3 or more of them top 5.
Its all semantics I suppose.
Ex-
UGA Running Back (2008 -2014)
14 - Sony Michel (5*, 3 RB) Nick Chubb (5*, 5 RB)
12- Keith Marshall (5*, 1RB), Todd Gurley (4*, 7 RB)
11- Isaiah Crowell (5*, 1 RB)
10 - Ken Malcome (4*, 10 RB)
09 - Washaun Ealey (4*, 10 RB)
08 - Richard Samuel (5*, 3 RB), Carlton Thomas (4*, 13 RB)
Obviously all those dudes didn't pan out but over a 6 year period you didn't go into Georgia and take out a big time recruit. That's dominant.
Exactly .... Just one more post to add to his fiction list. He can't help himself. It's not a complete day if he doesn't make some story up. And he is too far gone for anyone else to help. Lost cause.
Let's talk reality here. Fisher has never produced a qb that has been successful in the NFL. He gets ND's 2nd team qb with a ton of skill because he knew it would be a lost season with Maguire, so he promised EG a starting position. (At least he didn't lie to EG) Good for Golson, but that does not change the fact that MZ had earned the starting position at ND and EG left for greener pastures and won't have to go to class so he can concentrate of FB.
It will be fun to watch Mo1e and other FSU a-holes slobber over EG after three years of them talking about how terrible he was performing at ND.
Fisher is not a good man, a decent coach, but a bad human being who does nothing to stem the violence his players have inflicted on his community and can't even keep his wife from catting around. EG simply needs to keep his head down, remember the life lessons he learned at ND and not be colored by the sick atmosphere sponsored by FSU in Tallahassee.
It will be fun to watch Mo1e and other FSU a-holes slobber over EG after three years of them talking about how terrible he was performing at ND.
Fisher is not a good man, a decent coach, but a bad human being who does nothing to stem the violence his players have inflicted on his community and can't even keep his wife from catting around. EG simply needs to keep his head down, remember the life lessons he learned at ND and not be colored by the sick atmosphere sponsored by FSU in Tallahassee.
Manuel is part of his body of work. That isn't digging deep at all. And RB recruiting and QB recruiting are apples and oranges.
But this discussion is going nowhere and pretty pointless.
So you keep your take and I will keep mine.
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When it came to QB recruiting Bobby Bowden didn't do too badly either.
Just as an example:
Heisman winner Charlie Ward turned down the NFL draft altogether and went on to make mega millions as a point guard for the NY Knicks! Now that's one CFB player we would all love to emulate!
Starter Casey Weldon and his back up Brad Johnson both went on to play in the NFL. And of course, Brad went on to win a Super Bowl with the Tampa Bay Bucs!
Just as an example:
Heisman winner Charlie Ward turned down the NFL draft altogether and went on to make mega millions as a point guard for the NY Knicks! Now that's one CFB player we would all love to emulate!
Starter Casey Weldon and his back up Brad Johnson both went on to play in the NFL. And of course, Brad went on to win a Super Bowl with the Tampa Bay Bucs!
I am not convinced this is all players consider. It is not clear that FSU QBs are adequately prepared for the NFL so there is not strong reason to credit Fisher with very much. Ponder and Manuel getting drafted in round 1 were reaches; Ponder especially if you watched many of his games in college. His poor throws in the NFL were clearly evident from his weaknesses in college.
That's a fair argument against Fischer getting more interest from QBs because of who he has put in the league.
even though Golson was the starter in Blue/Gold game.... he has been deemed a second team ND QB "free agent"
http://espn.go.com/college-football...-golson-reignite-graduate-transfer-discussion
His move was the best for all, imho, but still some express special animosity for him making a decision that was in his own interest, as if loyalty to his Alma Mater, should be more important.
This is true > "It seems that the rule is you have the ultimate flexibility to do whatever you want," Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly said. "But it seems as though there's no academic component with it at all, and we're still colleges and universities."
Any player good enough to get a 5th year scholarship has potential to be more oriented to pro sports,,, than a normal graduate student..fwiw
MZ is the right guy to lead this great 2015 ND team.
Interesting to see if Jimbo can get a good ride on the Golson Coaster http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...s-the-right-choice-for-fsu-20150901-post.html
http://espn.go.com/college-football...-golson-reignite-graduate-transfer-discussion
His move was the best for all, imho, but still some express special animosity for him making a decision that was in his own interest, as if loyalty to his Alma Mater, should be more important.
This is true > "It seems that the rule is you have the ultimate flexibility to do whatever you want," Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly said. "But it seems as though there's no academic component with it at all, and we're still colleges and universities."
Any player good enough to get a 5th year scholarship has potential to be more oriented to pro sports,,, than a normal graduate student..fwiw
MZ is the right guy to lead this great 2015 ND team.
Interesting to see if Jimbo can get a good ride on the Golson Coaster http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...s-the-right-choice-for-fsu-20150901-post.html
I think your quote above explains a lot. Remember that Jimbo is able to recruit the guys with questionable character that Brian Kelly must pass on. And I think all of us are glad of that. It's part of what makes ND football such fun.
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