Fighting Kelly’s of LSU

[chaseball]

Brian Kelly vs Marcus Freeman since start of 2022 season:

Brian Kelly has produced several first rounders in last years NFL draft. Brian Kelly beat a top 5 Alabama/Nick Saban team. Brian Kelly produced a Heisman trophy winner. Brian Kelly has an incoming top 5 class with the #1 overall player in the country incoming.

Marcus Freeman in contrast has a better W-L record while playing a much shittier schedule [hard stop]

 

[chaseball]

Bad loss. Losing to Alabama/Georgia/Tenn. is one thing, but Florida is bad this year.

Florida would be the 3rd best opponent on NDs schedule. They are ranked 32nd in F+. They are a good team with a bad record due to the high level of competition they play

 

[christophero]

Brian Kelly isn't getting that massive $ to lose to Florida. Ask an LSU fan how they feel tonight. They are 6-4.

 

[Golson5]

MF - 28 wins 8 losses 10 top 25 wins

BK - 26 wins 11 losses 4 top 25 wins

Just stop with the STUPIDITY

It's not close

 

[chaseball]

Brian Kelly isn't getting that massive $ to lose to Florida. Ask an LSU fan how they feel tonight. They are 6-4.

Brian Kelly survived way worse seasons at ND ...

He has the #1 QB in the country incoming after developing and graduating a bunch of high end talent to the NFL last year.

If he can keep his 2025 class together and follow up with a similar class in 2026 .. LSU will be one of the best teams in the country over the next several years.

 

[Golson5]

Brian Kelly survived way worse seasons at ND ...

He has the #1 QB in the country incoming after developing and graduating a bunch of high end talent to the NFL last year.

If he can keep his 2025 class together and follow up with a similar class in 2026 .. LSU will be one of the best teams in the country over the next several years.

How many years does he need to get his shit together ?

 

[chaseball]

How many years does he need to get his shit together ?

I dont know but probably far less than the 36 years its taking ND to get their shit together

 

[Golson5]

I dont know but probably far less than the 36 years its taking ND to get their shit together

Which he was apart of...

Glad we have the better coach and recruiter now

 

[NDinNJ]

Brian Kelly survived way worse seasons at ND ...

He has the #1 QB in the country incoming after developing and graduating a bunch of high end talent to the NFL last year.

If he can keep his 2025 class together and follow up with a similar class in 2026 .. LSU will be one of the best teams in the country over the next several years.

LSU won't be as patient as ND, plus BK got to the NC game in year 3 which then gave him a long leash. He doesn't have that with LSU.

 

[NDinNJ]

it's crazy but Scott Woodward is responsible for hiring Jimbo at A&M signing him to a guaranteed lucrative contract. He made the same mistake at LSU with BK.

 

[chaseball]

it's crazy but Scott Woodward is responsible for hiring Jimbo at A&M signing him to a guaranteed lucrative contract. He made the same mistake at LSU with BK.

its too soon to say. I like what LSUs AD is doing far more than what NDs AD is doing so far (as it relates to competing for national titles)

BK is going to have material to work with he's never had ever at ND with this incoming '25 class including the #1 overall player in the country incoming. I think that program has a ton of upside if they can keep up this kind of recruiting momentum and stack some back to back classes the quality of there incoming '25 class.

 

[Golson5]

its too soon to say. I like what LSUs AD is doing far more than what NDs AD is doing so far (as it relates to competing for national titles)

BK is going to have material to work with he's never had ever at ND with this incoming '25 class including the #1 overall player in the country incoming. I think that program has a ton of upside if they can keep up this kind of recruiting momentum and stack some back to back classes the quality of there incoming '25 class.

He's not good enough.

 

[NDinNJ]

its too soon to say. I like what LSUs AD is doing far more than what NDs AD is doing so far (as it relates to competing for national titles)

BK is going to have material to work with he's never had ever at ND with this incoming '25 class including the #1 overall player in the country incoming. I think that program has a ton of upside if they can keep up this kind of recruiting momentum and stack some back to back classes the quality of there incoming '25 class.

Go back to your room and start crunching those numbers stat boy.

 

[mrwigglesby21]

ND has the better team this year than LSU does .. but MF and BK have had similar results since MF took over at ND and BK went to LSU ..

Actually I would take BKs incoming top 5 class in 2025, his 2023 season with a Heisman trophy winner, and BKs 2022 with a victory over a top 5 Alabama/Nick Saban team over the bleh nothing burger MF has produced at ND over the last 3 years ... but overall their careers have been similar since the BK departure (just in terms of raw productivity over the last 3 years)

Incorrect. Freeman has the best record against the spread in the nation since taking over. Kelly is nowhere close.

Justify that. Don't side-step it.

 

[chaseball]

Incorrect. Freeman has the best record against the spread in the nation since taking over. Kelly is nowhere close.

Justify that. Don't side-step it.

Doesnt the spread adjust based on how people are placing bets? This seems like a case of people undervaluing Notre Dame (or overvaluing their opponents) and some combination of the same thing happening to LSU but in the other direction (over estimating LSU and underestimating LSUs opponents)

I dont bet on college football games because the sample sizes are way too small and luck plays way too much of a factor in the outcome of single games so its hard to predict so im not really sure how the system works to have a strong opinion either way.

Regardless I think we have plenty of better/more comprehensive ways to evaluate the quality of teams and evaluate the performance of the head coach than how they perform against the spread. And when i evaluate Marcus Freeman and Brian Kelly on that criteria I think both coaches have been similarly productive. The fact that ND is not having to pay $10M to their head coach for the same 2nd tier results that they were getting with BK is a program win for sure though

 

[BGI User 756]

Kelly survived worst seasons at ND ...

That SEC slate is no joke .. LSU will still be in the top 20ish teams in F+ (poor record due to really good competition and some bad luck) .. they lost their OC and some first round talent on offense but they have a top 5 class incoming in 2025 .. if he can keep this incoming '25 class better days are ahead for LSU

26-11 thus far. You told us 2 years ago how he was building something special.

 

[mrwigglesby21]

Doesnt the spread adjust based on how people are placing bets? This seems like a case of people undervaluing Notre Dame (or overvaluing their opponents) and some combination of the same thing happening to LSU but in the other direction (over estimating LSU and underestimating LSUs opponents)

I dont bet on college football games because the sample sizes are way too small and luck plays way too much of a factor in the outcome of single games so its hard to predict so im not really sure how the system works to have a strong opinion either way.

Regardless I think we have plenty of better/more comprehensive ways to evaluate the quality of teams and evaluate the performance of the head coach than how they perform against the spread. And when i evaluate Marcus Freeman and Brian Kelly on that criteria I think both coaches have been similarly productive. The fact that ND is not having to pay $10M to their head coach for the same 2nd tier results that they were getting with BK is a program win for sure though

It screams Freeman is over-achieving while Kelly is underachieving. Full-stop.

ND trajectory looks much brighter than that of LSU.

 

[christophero]

3 forum topics on Tiger Droppings tonight.
"You have to fire Kelly if he loses the next 2 games."
" I am done as a season ticket holder after 28 years."
"Brian Kelly is a dud."
Sounds like they are thrilled with him.

 

[BGI User 756]

Brian Kelly vs Marcus Freeman since start of 2022 season:

Brian Kelly has produced several first rounders in last years NFL draft. Brian Kelly beat a top 5 Alabama/Nick Saban team. Brian Kelly produced a Heisman trophy winner. Brian Kelly has an incoming top 5 class with the #1 overall player in the country incoming.

Marcus Freeman in contrast has a better W-L record while playing a much shittier schedule [hard stop]

You forgot the 28 pt beat down by UT and the loss to 7 loss TAM in 2022, and BK’s 108th ranked defense in 2023, and these great BK’s 2024 losses to 5 loss teams named USC and UF this year

 

[theskibro]

it's crazy but Scott Woodward is responsible for hiring Jimbo at A&M signing him to a guaranteed lucrative contract. He made the same mistake at LSU with BK.

Woodward does not pass the eye test. He’s a weak putz who aligns with the Kevin white philosophy of give money n long term contracts away like candy. Loser

Kelly fits in. Loser. And Kelly is a mid tier coach with a fake accent n bad dance moves of a mid tier team

 

[theskibro]

Woodward does not pass the eye test. He’s a weak putz who aligns with the Kevin white philosophy of give money n long term contracts away like candy. Loser

Kelly fits in. Loser. And Kelly is a mid tier coach with a fake accent n bad dance moves of a mid tier team

Billy Napier beat Kelly Let that marinate

 

[chaseball]

It screams Freeman is over-achieving while Kelly is underachieving. Full-stop.

I disagree with this. The recruiting/incoming talent at LSU in 2025 is in another tier entirely and this has to be taken into consideration.

ND and LSU have had similar productivity when you adjust for opponent quality and luck (F+) over the last several years and LSU has a better incoming class in 2025 (as presently constructed).

I think LSU/BK has more upside going forward based on the better talent they have incoming and how well you attract talent is part of the HCs job.

 

[BGI User 756]

I disagree with this. The recruiting/incoming talent at LSU in 2025 is in another tier entirely and this has to be taken into consideration.

ND and LSU have had similar productivity when you adjust for opponent quality and luck (F+) over the last several years and LSU has a better incoming class in 2025 (as presently constructed).

I think LSU/BK has more upside going forward based on the better talent they have incoming

3 years in….11 losses in….and half of those to teams with 5+ losses

 

[sjb75]

3 forum topics on Tiger Droppings tonight.
"You have to fire Kelly if he loses the next 2 games."
" I am done as a season ticket holder after 28 years."
"Brian Kelly is a dud."
Sounds like they are thrilled with him.

LMFAO.

Tell those three posters to come up with 63 million for the buyout.

Then another 110 million for a new head coach.

 

[chaseball]

3 years in….11 losses in….and half of those to teams with 5+ losses

Opponent quality on NDs schedule (5 games vs ACC 2-4 games vs G5) is miles apart from the SEC which had like 8 teams in the top 15 in F+ the last two seasons

 

[ZibbyQuinn]

I dont know but probably far less than the 36 years its taking ND to get their shit together

I disagree with this. The recruiting/incoming talent at LSU in 2025 is in another tier entirely and this has to be taken into consideration.

ND and LSU have had similar productivity when you adjust for opponent quality and luck (F+) over the last several years and LSU has a better incoming class in 2025 (as presently constructed).

I think LSU/BK has more upside going forward based on the better talent they have incoming

Not if BK is the coach, unbelievable how criminal it was to lose 3 games with Daniels. We now truly understand how good he is turning around the skins and now last year at LSU looks like a horrific disaster.

Only Chase scrotum could spin 6-4 into something good for his beloved SEC..can you imagine if MF was 6-4? 😂😂

 

[savvyandsassier]

I disagree with this. The recruiting/incoming talent at LSU in 2025 is in another tier entirely and this has to be taken into consideration.

ND and LSU have had similar productivity when you adjust for opponent quality and luck (F+) over the last several years and LSU has a better incoming class in 2025 (as presently constructed).

I think LSU/BK has more upside going forward based on the better talent they have incoming

We've had a lot of blowout wins this year, which helps with a stat like that. Not just winning the games we're supposed to win, but winning big. There's no doubt, ND is better than LSU, and I'd pick us to beat LSU on a neutral field with money on the line. For whatever that's worth. But LSU does have the #1 class in the country with On3. Including Bryce Underwood. This year is frustrating for them. I think they're hurting at OC, and old boy wouldn't have the job if not for Underwood. It'd have been better if they could have kept him at QB coach, and brought in a separate OC. Makes it that much sweeter for ND fans that want to watch him burn, that ND helped that along by plucking Denbrock away.

 

[hoopsstar12]

In all fairness to Kelly he had a change of coordinators this year. He needs to find a better OC and recruit better. He also lost his top linebacker to injury. He looks stressed out playing legit teams each week without having the athletic advantage. I feel the problem is more on the offensive side of the ball more so than defense b/c they have a high NFL pick at QB but are very inconsistent. They don't score enough and their D is on the field too much.

 

[sjb75]

Not if BK is the coach, unbelievable how criminal it was to lose 3 games with Daniels. We now truly understand how good he is turning around the skins and now last year at LSU looks like a horrific disaster.

Only Chase scrotum could spin 6-4 into something good for his beloved SEC..can you imagine if MF was 6-4? 😂😂

There is no better conference top to bottom in all of CFB than the SEC.

 

[Golson5]

Opponent quality on NDs schedule (5 games vs ACC 2-4 games vs G5) is miles apart from the SEC which had like 8 teams in the top 15 in F+ the last two seasons

He has 4 top 25 wins

Just stop. You are embarrassing yourself

 

[chaseball]

We've had a lot of blowout wins this year, which helps with a stat like that. Not just winning the games we're supposed to win, but winning big. There's no doubt, ND is better than LSU, and I'd pick us to beat LSU on a neutral field with money on the line. For whatever that's worth. But LSU does have the #1 class in the country with On3. Including Bryce Underwood. This year is frustrating for them. I think they're hurting at OC, and old boy wouldn't have the job if not for Underwood. It'd have been better if they could have kept him at QB coach, and brought in a separate OC. Makes it that much sweeter for ND fans that want to watch him burn, that ND helped that along by plucking Denbrock away.

This season ND is better than LSU (ive conceded this point) but overall comparing MF and BK (because this season isn't even finished yet and you get a better picture of performance when incorporating more data than just one season) its been pretty close in terms of these programs respective productivity overall. When you add the fact that LSU has a top 5 class and NDs class is ranked 14th using the 247 composite rankings it paints a brighter picture for LSU going forward.

 

[Golson5]

In all fairness to Kelly he had a change of coordinators this year. He needs to find a better OC and recruit better. He also lost his top linebacker to injury. He looks stressed out playing legit teams each week without having the athletic advantage. I feel the problem is more on the offensive side of the ball more so than defense b/c they have a high NFL pick at QB but are very inconsistent. They don't score enough and their D is on the field too much.

That's his fault and his job

 

[Golson5]

There is no better conference top to bottom in all of CFB than the SEC.

He can't beat FSU or USC either

 

[hoopsstar12]

That's his fault and his job

True. It looks like he has aged a lot and is extremely frustrated. The LSU fans don't like how he yelled at that player today but it's normal to all of us.

 

[christophero]

True. It looks like he has aged a lot and is extremely frustrated. The LSU fans don't like how he yelled at that player today but it's normal to all of us.

If he had beaten Florida it's a non story.

 

[Golson5]

If he had beaten Florida it's a non story.

But he lost, again

 

[sjb75]

But he lost, again

Then write a check for 63 million.

 

[sjb75]

He can't beat FSU or USC either

And Marcus Freeman can’t beat MAC crappy Northern Illinois at home.

 

[Golson5]

Then write a check for 63 million.

No. I'm not a LSU fan.

I want them to keep him so they are a non factor. I'll actually pay a little to keep him there so ND doesn't have to worry about them

 

[savvyandsassier]

True. It looks like he has aged a lot and is extremely frustrated. The LSU fans don't like how he yelled at that player today but it's normal to all of us.

LSU fans did not have a problem with him yelling at Chris Hilton, who sucks. LSU fans hate Chris Hilton, and were glad he was yelled at, and defended it. Even the BK-hating LSU fans, who learned how to hate him from ND fans. ND fans hate BK with such uninhibited over the top ferocity that LSU fans naturally wanted in on some of that shit. And despite starting out 10-3 in years one and two with a Heisman winner, the hate is on! You know how toxic football fans are. ND fans are the toxic-est of the lot.