Jayden Daniels was an established QB before transferring to LSU. Do we take full credit for Jack Coan, Sam Hartman or Riley Leonard?
Fighting Kelly’s of LSU
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Jayden Daniels was an established QB before transferring to LSU. Do we take full credit for Jack Coan, Sam Hartman or Riley Leonard?
I think a lot of posters here still remember how he up and left an 11-1 team on the verge of a playoff berth. Took a job in the middle of a recruiting visit and straight up lied to his staff about it.
Called a meeting at 7am to tell the team he was leaving , gave a 10 minute speech that was hardly a heartfelt goodbye.
Jumped in his SUV and high tailed out like this place was a nobody to him. Jmo.
Called a meeting at 7am to tell the team he was leaving , gave a 10 minute speech that was hardly a heartfelt goodbye.
Jumped in his SUV and high tailed out like this place was a nobody to him. Jmo.
I wonder how much of his contract is guaranteed? Gonna be real hard to fix the leaking library roof now..
Big game Brian never disappoints, LMFAO. It won't be long before they run his a$$ out of cajun country
Think he’ll retire after they run him outta Baton Rouge ? Or does he end up back at Cincinnati?
He has managed to generate a Cinci base that hates him, an ND base that hates him and now an LSU base that hates him. Seems to be firing on all cylinders. When your a douche and you win, people overlook the fact your a complete A-hole. When you dont win, people remember that.
Is there ANYONE in the ND nation that would, if they could, swap back BK for MF?
There was no hatred from Cincinnati fans, you guys are just psychos. They desperately didn't want him to leave, the way any fanbase doesn't want their coach that just about got shit-nothing Cincy to the title game feels. This was a ND-born and bred little social contagion. And asking whether you'd trade back for him now is irrelevant, what kind of effin' question is that? He was hated before he left! The fans were already completely gone by the time he left, and it's probably why he left!
Self-justification isn't going to get you anywhere. You're a sweaty, dirty mob when it comes to BK, and the mob rules.
I’m thankful for Brian Kelly’s tenure at Notre Dame. I come from a large Irish Catholic family who eats, lives, and breathes ND Football, no one in my family hates him, nor do my friends who are fans. I disliked the way he left, loved how he coached.
Say what you will, other than how BK departed, I am simply thankful for his 12 years in South Bend.
I think both things can be true. I am thankful for Kelly's years at ND. I thought he did a good job, although even my non ND friends were pointing out to me how we repeatedly choked on the big stage. I don't hate Kelly but find him unlikeable. I wasn't happy when he left(or how he left) but love what Freeman has done. But Kelly isn't some victim here; he kind of set himself up for this. He did not leave a mid major for a bigger job; he left ND for a bigger paycheck. He said he wanted to compete against the best and wanted the resources to compete against the best. So when he is down 42-6 at home to Alabama in year 3 yes I do see this as some karma. Kelly has a huge buyout; he will be fine either way. LSU seems destined to always be behind the Alabamas and the Georgias. And now Ole Miss is becoming a power.
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Im thrilled he got his a$$ kicked. BK loses all big games
Georgia lost to Mississippi yesterday. Kirby Smart got his butt kicked by Lane Kiffin. Mike Elko got thrashed by South Carolina. Alabama lost to Vanderbilt.
That’s life in the SEC.
Most succinct and accurate way to put it.
I think too many here are hung up on words, fighting over BK.
Again, I appreciate what he did for ND and wish him luck, but observe he cannot win the big ones. He failed all to often in big games at ND. And it's not going his way so far at LSU.
As I posted a few weeks ago, his body language and face seem to betray some angst. Not unlike many coaches under pressure. It's the nature of the job and chat between us fans.
But some get overly personal about this.
About 2 seconds of googling will bring up all the
Same, but never really liked the way he coached. Its a tough job, you have to represent more than just yourself. MF gets that, BK never got that. From the shots about the facilities to the going nuts on the sideline. Lets be honest, ND did more for BK than BK did for ND. Thats a fact. He was 8-5 his first 2 years, his 2012 wins were all vacated as where some in 2013. He took over for a very bad coach, i think we were ready for any spark. His next four seasons he loses 20 games, avg of 5 a year. If your honest, he just was not really a great coach at ND. He beat the cupcakes, he was average when it was even and he got destroyed in most, not all big games. All this while being a asshole. We all have opinions, mine is he was like lots of ND coaches over the years. Better than some, worse than others, never getting a statue there.
That fan base will be getting out the torches to rid the burg of the Frankenstein monster.
BK has earned all the shit he is getting. He gets credit for bringing ND back into the top 10. Absolutely.
But he was disingenuous when he left and threw shade at ND. And now he is 25-10 after 2.75 years at LSU. Not nearly what he said he could do nor what LSU wanted
Kelly reminds me of Franklin at Penn State. A good but not great coach. Wins the games he is supposed to and loses most of the top tier games. Still, they are usually 9-3, 10-2 type teams but can't seem to break through.
And Brian Kelly is paid really really well as a top 10 paid head coach in CFB, with a guaranteed long term contract, to get shit. It's a tradeoff Brian Kelly gladly took, and would take again.
BK signed off for generational family wealth, and again, would do the same thing again.
Brian Kelly unnecessarily took some condescending shots at Notre Dame after he arrived at LSU. He meant for his comments to diminish Notre Dame. He interviewed for an NFL job in the midst of a championship game. Those things are who he is. If you don 't like him for the reasons mentioned...you are a hater. OK.....if it blows your skirt up to call me a hater on this free, anonymous message board....have at it. I will sleep just fine tonight. Probably better than Brian Kelly.
I disagree. I think its the opposite....that Kelly is too hands on. Why? Because the results at LSU are damm near identical to those at Notre Dame. Same fingerprints. Different coordinators....same head coach......same results. In fact.....LSU's easiest game remaining is Florida. Vanderbilt and Oklahoma might just piss in his cornflakes. A 5 loss season at LSU? Thats 2 million dollars per loss.
Yet, after Kelly interviewed, Notre Dame continued to employ Brian Kelly for the longest head coach tenure in Notre Dame history, despite going 4-8 in 2016. He must have impressed someone in South Bend.
But it’s not the same results. Only Van Gorder was generally bad at ND. If he was hands on, why was there only a three year stretch of bad defense at ND?
You must be one of his heirs, because that's all you ever talk about when it comes to Kelly.
When you are paid 8 figures annually, whether you are Brian Kelly, Lincoln Riley, or Ryan Day losing to Michigan 3 consecutive seasons, shit is right around the corner if expectations aren't met.
And they all knew that going in.
Once again, these are the most pathetic and feeble and transparent justifications for the total maniacal vitriol hurled his way from various quarters all throughout his time at ND, let alone in the throes of his actual departure. And he took no potshots at ND. They asked him the typical questions about why did you leave ND, what's so good about LSU, and he praised LSU for things they offered that apparently ND didn't. It was anodyne stuff. That is not any kind of basis for all the hate he was already getting, let alone the subsequent onslaught. That's just some totally lame, improvised excuse, because after the frenzy of the gang-bang began to subside, other online fans we're kind of taken aback at how vicious and vile ND fans were being, to such a successful coach who had just got lured away from them. Because it didn't really add up. Everybody loves a good twitter mob, but ND fans were out of control. And then the true colors came out, all the long festering litany of manufactured but also irrelevant grievances, if you felt betrayed that he was up and leaving. When the original impetus for being so outraged would be because you didn't want to lose him and felt betrayed, but that was never what it was about, quite clearly. It was a long-seething animosity of indeterminate origin. And ND fans unleashed their billowing rage and loathing onto the CFB twittersphere when BK finally didn't want to take it anymore.
And that's what's up. And it's still going fairly strong, every time LSU loses. But thankfully, as with most things, it's fading with time. Maybe that's why you can finally sleep well at night.
Kirk Ferentz at Iowa is the same. He's made a nice living, with a long tenure, being 8-4 or 9-3 every year. Some fans will accept that king of mediocrity, some won't.
I think that he’ll end up on a beach in Florida with the multi-millions he earned in his coaching career ‘
lol. Thats where I’d go if I was him . Lol. With that contract money I’d say the amalfi coast in Italy would be suffice.
I could be off by a few dollars but I think he’s making $ 100,000,000 at LSU ‘
ND was 8-5 2 of the 4 years before VanGorder....the other two were 12-1 and 9-4. Van Gorder's second year was 9-4. He was 1-3 when he was fired in the third year....ND finished 4-8. They won 3 more games...and lost 5 more. Point is....VanGorder was a horrible DC....but he was on a lousy team whose head coach shared all of the failures., which existed before he was hired. Besides....Kelly hired Van Gorder. He owns it.
The hatred is a bit much, no doubt there. Notre Dame fans can be over the top. But if it is any solace to you, we heard the same kind of things about Bob Davie, Ty Willingham and Charlie Weis.
People dislike Kelly for the way he left ND for the paradise that is LSU, making sure to let everyone know that it was the university's restrictions that were keeping him from his appointment with destiny. Three years in, it should becoming apparent to him that it's not that easy. And who the hell knows, he could win it all next year.
I for one was lukewarm for Kelly. His first six seasons were up and down enough that he very well could have been fired. He righted the ship after 2016, though, and developed a fairly high standard that got his teams peaking at maybe #5 in the country any given year. But his businesslike approach was inflexible, and you saw that in big games when ND would basically play the same offense it had all year long, with predictable results.
How does this support the claim that he was too hands on? I would think that, if he just made a bad hire in BVG, and the defense was otherwise good, generally speaking, wouldn’t that support the notion that he wasn’t too hands on? Just trying to understand.
My point is that the results we see at LSU mirror the results at ND where Kelly is concerned. It may be an over-generalization...a broad brush....and My bias against Kelly is a variable to be sure. However, I don't see evidence with Kelly's current results that represents a contrast to his tenure at ND.....when you consider multiple defensive coordinators are involved both ways. I won't defend Van Gorder.,..but Kelly is the common denominator.
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