Echowaker, Thoughts On 2017 OL Recruits?
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Tomb,
1. Canadian teachers are definitely unionized. The Ontario Teachers Union is extremely powerful. They owned the friggen Toronto Maple Leafs for quite some time.
2. To my knowledge, private education is never paid for b y the government here. Anybody who wants to send their kid to a private or prep school must pay for it on their own accord. The great thing is that if you can't afford to do so, it doesn't matter. I've taught and coached dozens of kids that have went from our average run-of-the-mill Canadian Catholic School in a city above about 60,000 people, that have gone on to school at places like McGill and the University of Toronto (top 25 universities in the world) at the cost of about $6500-$7000 per year. We've also produced a lot of students athletes (mostly male hockey players and female track-and-field and cross country athletes) that have went to American schools like Harvard, Yale, Northwestern, Duke, Notre Dame, etc, etc on full rides... It's usually no problem for our kids to get in (I'm talking public school kids). It's very common for our kids to have marks in upper 80's and lower 90's and to destroy the SAT's they take to go South. The education they get at the high school level is much tougher than a lot of their American counterparts (I mean that in all sincerity).
For example, I did a semester exchange at Notre Dame, from my average Canadian university, ranked somewhere between #80-#95 worldwide. I'm talking a good, not great school. I can tell you this. My course were much more demanding at my school. I was actually shocked because I expected Notre Dame to be very difficult because of it's prestige. I was young though and I didn't yet fully understand that it's name on the degree and the alumni connections associated with the degree that provide the real advantages in the United States, not always the actual quality of education you're getting... Again Notre Dame is awesome. Loved my experience, the people and learning from your country's perspective rather than mine (for a change). I'll be a fan of Notre Dame and the way it does things, until I die. Much prettier than our campus as well. Canadian schools tend to focus on the quality within the classroom rather than the esthetics outside of them. I can tell you that I enjoyed that at Notre Dame they focused on both! Would have loved to stay for a full year... No way in hell that education is worth upwards of $70,000 per year though after you pay residence costs, pay to eat, have a social life, etc, etc.... Maybe it is for some, but not for me. I always wanted to teach (at the time). I'd rather pay $50,000 for 6 years of education and get $100,000 job out of the deal with great pension and benefits, than get the same type of job (paywise) for 6-8 times the price (over 6 years).
1. Canadian teachers are definitely unionized. The Ontario Teachers Union is extremely powerful. They owned the friggen Toronto Maple Leafs for quite some time.
2. To my knowledge, private education is never paid for b y the government here. Anybody who wants to send their kid to a private or prep school must pay for it on their own accord. The great thing is that if you can't afford to do so, it doesn't matter. I've taught and coached dozens of kids that have went from our average run-of-the-mill Canadian Catholic School in a city above about 60,000 people, that have gone on to school at places like McGill and the University of Toronto (top 25 universities in the world) at the cost of about $6500-$7000 per year. We've also produced a lot of students athletes (mostly male hockey players and female track-and-field and cross country athletes) that have went to American schools like Harvard, Yale, Northwestern, Duke, Notre Dame, etc, etc on full rides... It's usually no problem for our kids to get in (I'm talking public school kids). It's very common for our kids to have marks in upper 80's and lower 90's and to destroy the SAT's they take to go South. The education they get at the high school level is much tougher than a lot of their American counterparts (I mean that in all sincerity).
For example, I did a semester exchange at Notre Dame, from my average Canadian university, ranked somewhere between #80-#95 worldwide. I'm talking a good, not great school. I can tell you this. My course were much more demanding at my school. I was actually shocked because I expected Notre Dame to be very difficult because of it's prestige. I was young though and I didn't yet fully understand that it's name on the degree and the alumni connections associated with the degree that provide the real advantages in the United States, not always the actual quality of education you're getting... Again Notre Dame is awesome. Loved my experience, the people and learning from your country's perspective rather than mine (for a change). I'll be a fan of Notre Dame and the way it does things, until I die. Much prettier than our campus as well. Canadian schools tend to focus on the quality within the classroom rather than the esthetics outside of them. I can tell you that I enjoyed that at Notre Dame they focused on both! Would have loved to stay for a full year... No way in hell that education is worth upwards of $70,000 per year though after you pay residence costs, pay to eat, have a social life, etc, etc.... Maybe it is for some, but not for me. I always wanted to teach (at the time). I'd rather pay $50,000 for 6 years of education and get $100,000 job out of the deal with great pension and benefits, than get the same type of job (paywise) for 6-8 times the price (over 6 years).
let's deal in facts, something foreign to you. i have NEVER claimed to be a graduate of notre dame. i am a graduate of michigan state university where i was a member of the football team. i started 28 games in my five years there. i am a high school social studies teacher and long time o-line coach and offensive coordinator at a Division 1 high school in ohio. i am currently not teaching as i am filling in for our AD who is going through some health issues. it's easily a full time position given the size of the school and the number of sports we participate in. anything else ?
kelly has always seeked balance in his offenses. perse sees a qb in the shotgun and thinks it always means pass. he doesn't understand the game period. don't lower yourself.
my stalker . he used to be turnover machine until he got banned. mcilhenny irish ?
I thought for a moment that I had offended you my remarks were a tweak to IIO [we hold degrees from the same University] I have some folks on ignore which makes it difficult to follow the game sometimes. McIlhenny made the list pretty quickly.
Gael,
"Advantageous" or not not, I'm a night a night owl like everyone else
By the way, you had asked about the Special Teams Coordinator job at Ottawa sometime last week. I had meant to respond and it slipped my mind. I actually know Steve Watts (the former coordinator) quite well. Really good guy. Played at Ottawa, was an Academic All Canadian and went on to coach some really good defenses at St. Mary's while doing his Masters before coming back home.
Steve decided to step down to pursue a lucrative family business, but it was tough for him to make that decision. He's a staunch Christian guy, a solid recruiter and his players loved him. He also had one of the finest special teams units in the country. In four years (?) they never gave up a return TD of any kind and I believe they led the nation in return TD's under his watch. He has developed among the nation's best kicker and Lou (recruited out of Kingston) will likely kick in the CFL when he graduates next year. Two of his DB's will be turning prop as well in the near future, Jackson Bennett (who he converted from RB to FS) an Ottawa native, and a young DB he recruited from Texas who had some problems at Missouri Southern before coming up to Canada to finish his degree (name slips my mind right now).
Anyways, thought you might be interested. Losing Steve was. It for the program overall. The defense hadn't been good the past couple years, but it wasn't on him!
"Advantageous" or not not, I'm a night a night owl like everyone else
By the way, you had asked about the Special Teams Coordinator job at Ottawa sometime last week. I had meant to respond and it slipped my mind. I actually know Steve Watts (the former coordinator) quite well. Really good guy. Played at Ottawa, was an Academic All Canadian and went on to coach some really good defenses at St. Mary's while doing his Masters before coming back home.
Steve decided to step down to pursue a lucrative family business, but it was tough for him to make that decision. He's a staunch Christian guy, a solid recruiter and his players loved him. He also had one of the finest special teams units in the country. In four years (?) they never gave up a return TD of any kind and I believe they led the nation in return TD's under his watch. He has developed among the nation's best kicker and Lou (recruited out of Kingston) will likely kick in the CFL when he graduates next year. Two of his DB's will be turning prop as well in the near future, Jackson Bennett (who he converted from RB to FS) an Ottawa native, and a young DB he recruited from Texas who had some problems at Missouri Southern before coming up to Canada to finish his degree (name slips my mind right now).
Anyways, thought you might be interested. Losing Steve was. It for the program overall. The defense hadn't been good the past couple years, but it wasn't on him!
Thanks for this, where besides recruiting did you see the defense lacking? I've seen a couple of games and been to some practices but didn't think anyone played D in the CIS anymore.Gael,
"Advantageous" or not not, I'm a night a night owl like everyone else
By the way, you had asked about the Special Teams Coordinator job at Ottawa sometime last week. I had meant to respond and it slipped my mind. I actually know Steve Watts (the former coordinator) quite well. Really good guy. Played at Ottawa, was an Academic All Canadian and went on to coach some really good defenses at St. Mary's while doing his Masters before coming back home.
Steve decided to step down to pursue a lucrative family business, but it was tough for him to make that decision. He's a staunch Christian guy, a solid recruiter and his players loved him. He also had one of the finest special teams units in the country. In four years (?) they never gave up a return TD of any kind and I believe they led the nation in return TD's under his watch. He has developed among the nation's best kicker and Lou (recruited out of Kingston) will likely kick in the CFL when he graduates next year. Two of his DB's will be turning prop as well in the near future, Jackson Bennett (who he converted from RB to FS) an Ottawa native, and a young DB he recruited from Texas who had some problems at Missouri Southern before coming up to Canada to finish his degree (name slips my mind right now).
Anyways, thought you might be interested. Losing Steve was. It for the program overall. The defense hadn't been good the past couple years, but it wasn't on him!
Having attended both American prep and Canadian Secondary school, private Catholic in both cases, going on fifty years ago I can attest that the education in Ontario high school was much more rigorous than even the prestigious prep schools in the Boston area, then.Can't say how it is now though.
I have not read every word of this thread but for the salary IIO is talking about it takes 10 years to reach it and our taxes are significantly higher than those living in the USA so it is not the same to compare the salary alone. Also where do the extra two weeks holidays come from? My wife is a teacher and she must be hiding these extra two weeks on me!
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Don't know what this conversation is about but lived around the corner from Millburn High up from St Rose of Lima church back in the eighties. Used to watch fourth of July fireworks at that field! Ha!
Nothing official, but I am hearing AJ Dillon (4 star RB/LB) is Ann Arbor bound.
http://247sports.com/Player/AJ-Dillon-77683
http://247sports.com/Player/AJ-Dillon-77683
Possible, he would fit their system
But people have jumped on Dillon committing to basically every school he's visited (Notre Dame, Florida State, Michigan, etc.)
Notre Dame should continue to have as good of a chance as anyone here, though he's definitely not a lock
Gael,
Murphy's scheme was fairly sound, I didn't think that was the problem. He knows what he's doing. His defenses led the nation at St. Mary's for several years, albeit in a fairly inferior conference.
Ottawa's defense had 3 issues this year...
1). No replacement for ET Latanzzio after he left for the CFL. He masked a lot of the GeeGees problems in 2014 by being so dominant up front. Ottawa didn't have a DT near as good behind him.
2). Key injuries. Jackson Bennett, the defense's best player separated his shoulder on the 2nd play of the exhibition game against Montreal. It required surgery and he missed the year because of it. That forced Ottawa to move their starting half and best run support defender, Ty Cranston, to free safety to replace Jackson, before the season even began. Marc-Antoine Laurin, Ottawa's WILL linebacker missed half the year with broken ribs. Cranston ended up with a high ankle sprain, which he re-aggravated in the Panda Game. The starting SAM, Mack Tommy missed a number of games as well with an adominal injury. Sam Randazzo, their second best D-lineman ended up with a nasty concussion that cost him half his year. One of the three players that Ottawa brought from Texas (name slips my mind) ended up on crutches from a broken ankle after an incident in which he was returning a punt in practice, etc, etc...
Of their 12 slated starters on defense prior to the start of the year, Their starting SDE, DT, WILL, SAM, FS, HB and NB all missed 3+ games on a an 8 game schedule and many of them missed 5+ games.
It was was never going to be an outstanding defense but it should have been middle-of-the-pack in the OUA and that would have been enough to compliment Barresi's record setting offense. Instead it was a mash unit, that played a lot of freshman and sophomores that we're ready and that directly cost them the Mac and Panda games. Had they been even remotely healthy, they would have won both and would have finished 3rd in the conference, behind Western and Guelph.
Reminded me a lot of the mash unit that was ND's defense in 2014.
3). Two key transfers that Ottawa thought they were going to have right away, both were forced to sit a year. I don't know all the details, but the talented corner from Texas was ordered to sit the year by the AD to make sure he stayed out of trouble before he earned the right to play. The other transfer (whose name I'll keep quiet) completed the transfer, but failed 3 or the 6 summer school credits he needed to be eligible immediately. That was a huge blow as well.
I don't believe Murphy was fired because of his defenses' performance. I think Barresi understood what that defense went through last year and how unlucky they were. IMO, he was let go because he didn't recruit Ontario well enough and before Barresi wanted a French coach, with ties to CEGEPS in Quebec, where Ottawa traditionally gets 5-6 quality players from each year.
You should have your folks get a refund for the cost of your education . It apparently didn't compute.
Hey Redrum! What school board does your wife teach for I you don't mind me asking out of curiosity?
As it relates to the 10 year build up to max salary (with max qualifications) that is certainly correct.
As it relates to the higher percentage of taxes Canadians pay, I find as someone that lived in the U.S. and has lived in Canada, it's actually exggerated how much it cost them. Yes, we lose considerably more directly off our paychecks, but when you consider the number of "free" things that come with that, the majority of Americans end up spending at or near the difference for insurances policies, medical care, etc, etc. You're correct that The difference still favours US citizens (for the most part) but the wage get is so extreme in between teachers in Ontario vs teachers from a lot of states, that despite the higher taxes, there is still a fairly enormous gap.
Lastly, the "2 weeks holidays" is something that I didn't detail, simply because my post was already lengthy enough. Those holidays are actually accounted for and strategically placed at either end of the summer. At one time teachers were forced to work further into the summer (after classes) were let out and they were forced to report back a week earlier in the fall. The union pushed for holidays for their teachers during the school year, but the province though it was ludicrous (and rightfully so) to allow teachers to simply take time away from their classes during the curriculum. Cutting teachers sick days from 20 to 11/12 was smart as well, IMO. Too many teachers were simply away from their classrooms too often, or were banking a considerable number of those holidays. At one time you could bank them for as long as you wanted. When my dad (a former teacher) retired, he had missed something like 6 days of work in 37 years and had a ridiculous number of sick days banked. He actually used roughly half of his banked sick days to take the final semester off of his final year (essentially retired early) and cashed in the rest for a hefty retirement cheque, which he used to take my mom on a 6 month trip to 3 different continents... It was the right thing to do away that. Back to your wife's "holidays" though. They are paid for and including in pay and the extra time off she has in relation to when she finishes in the spring / summer and when she goes backs in the fall... She doesn't control those holidays, or when she can use them, but they exist never-the-less. That was the agreement the province and the union worked out years ago.
