Dumb shit schools- most of them
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It’s a positive for ND to lose millions because they can no longer compete in CFB???
Wow! You’re either trying to be smug and failing or a dumbshit too. I’m citing factual evidence as to the ease with which SC can get transfers or anybody really to play there. Go ****ing back to your SC board your presence here bothers me. As it has since forever. You’re a passive aggressive patronizing fool.
So, guys like Tony Rice.
ND's next recruiting class is ranked 4th. Ahead of such teams as Ohio State, Clemson, LSU, OU, Miami and USC. That kind of talent seems good enough to win every game.
The original post was discussing this year, “ the ability to transform overnight”. You mentioned kids from decades ago. So again who that transferred in under Riley is a poor student. Also what school did Ellis transfer to USC from?
Sorry you feel that way about me. Did you know you can place me on ignore?
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I mentioned him because ND fans seem particularly proud of Mr. Rice.
And as I pointed out, ND has no problem getting top kids to commit. ND takes all kinds of grad transfers.
I agree, add in the fact that only a small percentage of college athletes actually make it to the NFL, and the average career in the NFL is a little over 3 years, a solid education is important to fall back on.
I would say the connections you make as a player are at least as valuable as they will always keep you employed. A football player who graduates is not going to be offered the same jobs as a regular student who graduates.
Yet they will graduate and have better opportunities than those who didn't graduate with a degree and didn't make the pros. I've come across quite a few ex-athletes who graduated from all kinds of schools. Some did well academically...clearly some didn't, but still got jobs in operations, sales, marketing, administration, even leadership.
Similarly, some HS graduates don't go to college. But there are plenty of well paying dirty and even hi-tech jobs for them. ND is well capable of providing a remedial, progressive degree program that is easy enough to pass while allowing an athlete to be fully competitive in football.
I'll say it again and again: this sure seems in line with any Catholic social mission.
FYI... ND ranks at the bottom of the transfer portal. As far as top kids, we get our share but nothing compared to the elite, especially the top-100 athletes. It's not even close.
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Yes, I agree: ND is well capable of providing a degree that is easy enough to pass while allowing an athlete to be fully competitive. And that degree is called Marketing.
That is a good idea.
A number of sports oriented programs can be applied in communications, sports science and training, physical education, marketing, and general business. Including core remedial reading, writing, tech, and math.
I was an assistant to a professor in college teaching basic tech as a core curriculum. Everybody knew they would pass, this in a strong school.
I have to admit: the easing of pressure made everybody actually learn. Even top students didn’t necessarily want to nor had exposure to tech in the 80s.
There is a place for this kind of program. I’ll keep emphasizing the Catholic charity and social mission here. Catholic universities charge huge $$$. This actually would be a huge charity…as the ND football brand is a Catholic icon in so many ways.
To the holier than thou here: pardon my heather sacrilege.
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Extremely well argued. And RESPECTFULLY. Which matters. Because this is SENSITIVE TERRITORY.
This idea that ND football can somehow still PREVAIL without bringing in what I call FOOTBALL MERCENARIES is held by many AS AN ARTICLE OF FAITH. And as I've repeatedly learned, THERE'S NO ARGUING WITH FAITH.
When confronted by ND's actual 35-year INABILITY to prevail, the BELIEVER'S argument proceeds down one or both of two tracks: 1) We go after the WRONG COACHES and/or 2) The coach is a LAZY RECRUITER.
Fact is, the RIGHT COACH seldom wishes to come to ND anymore nor ENOUGH PREMIER RECRUITS.
PERIOD.
And THAT'S SQUARELY THE RESULT OF ND'S ACADEMIC MISSION which insists that the perfect SCHOLAR-ATHLETE is still a VIABLE PARADIGM and that enough of them actually exist to FILL AN NC ROSTER..
IF ONLY THE RIGHT COACH WOULD GET UP OFF HIS BUTT AND FIND THEM.
IT'S A MYTH.
But to TRUE BELIEVERS, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. And in some cases, the frustration involved actually STRENGHTENS THEIR FAITH.
My suggestion for ND. Create a COLLEGE OF SPORTS PROFESSIONS that would include training for everything from ESPN commentator to assistant freshman high school football coach. There are hundreds of jobs associated with sports which former college athletes can aspire to.
BECOME THE LEADER IN THAT FIELD. And start attracting the kinds of players in SUFFICIENT NUMBERS that an NC contender REQUIRES.
As one poster's research revealed, 14 out of the top 100 players are going to Alabama while only 3 or 4 to ND. Visualize that in terms of a baseball lineup.
It's QUITE A GAP.
Good post. You're talking GOOD SENSE here.
It's time to RIP OFF THE BANDAGE and start discussing this in a REALISTIC WAY.
And there are plenty here who agree with you.
This ND playing HARD TO GET act has gotten OLD.
The conflict qua dilemma there, of course, is that ND football fans don't wish to PAY THE PRICE for ND's academic PURITY.
And the argument that Ivy League-level excellence need NOT be sacrificed in pursuit of a football NC becomes less and less VIABLE with every new change in the CFB landscape.
I agree that ND will never SELL ITS SOUL academically to win an NC. Nor should it, if that's its main mission. But it might wish to consider a "SALE and LEASEBACK" as there are ways that don't involve complete ACADEMIC CAPITULATION as a means to greater competitiveness in football.
Sometimes, I think ND is too fixated on ACADEMIC PURITY tests rather than in finding a practical compromise solution to this issue. I think it should try HARDER. Footbal is a BIG EARNER, and it supports a lot of other sports as well.
There are definitely economic considerations in the mix here, too.
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Yes, it’s a business. But let me be even more controversial. For all the iniquities the Catholic Church has suffered, this is where it takes a stand? Academic piety?
I’ve been immersed in Catholicism all my life. Am on the pastoral council in my parish. My child is in a top Catholic HS that has 100 scholarships for disadvantaged kids and remedial classes. About 1200 total students.
A HS can do it. Surely ND can.
Exactly. ND could not only use it to bring in certain athletes but could bring in good promising low socioeconomic kids who don't quite meet the "standards" to go to ND as a regular enrollee. We could call it 5 for 40. Instead of graduating in 4 years. You do it in 5. Maybe take 12 credit hours instead of 15. Make it a general studies curriculum. If you get a certain GPA you can transfer to another major. If not you end up with a Liberal Arts degree. Mandatory summer school and oh Gasp! maybe you have to take a couple remedial classes. I'm just spit-balling here.
Good points.
I sometimes wonder if it isn't to a certain extent about THIS: ND STILL SEEKING APPROVAL FROM THE OLD WASP/IVY LEAGUE POWER STRUCTURE.
Now that ND's gained ACADEMIC "PARITY," it's something to be JEALOUSLY GUARDED. Plus, if it can still MIX IT UP ON THE FIELD with the BIG BOYS -- something the IVIES can NO LONGER DO -- then that actually puts ND in the CATBIRD SEAT.
Trouble is, CFB is now changing at a rate of speed that is itself constantly accelerating, rendering ND's efforts to DEFEAT GRAVITY ever more difficult. The idea that hiring Marcus Freeman -- A DEFENSIVE MOVE -- will somehow allow ND to bridge an INCREASINGLY WIDENING GAP is LUDICROUS.
ND must either BEND somewhere along the line OR BREAK.
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Right, and if YOU'RE just spitballing, why CAN'T THEY?
They're the SUPPOSED BRAINIACS.
No, it's something else, I'm afraid. They like flying in ACADEMIC FIRST CLASS.
RANK is a hard thing to walk away from.
Just don't call it general studies because that sounds too much like General Program, which is the Great Books seminar major.
Why do you believe that? Who were the poor students? They were all in good standing at their schools. How many can you take without become a prostitute? Certainly it would be more than ND took right? Are , Grupe, Smith, and Joseph prostitutes?
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AGAIN...why are you here? Second, getting a few guys to fill holes is one thing. Dumping your roster and "rebuilding" with 29 guys is selling out just for the sake of winning. AND it also shows the ease at which you can get into USC if you are a football player. As I have mentioned over and over. You asked me to put you on ignore earlier yet you keep responding to my posts more or less asking me not to ignore you.
I am here because I enjoy it, as I have explained many times. I was born in Indiana. Have followed the team for decades and root for them every game but one.
I suggested you put me on ignore because you wanted me gone per your earlier post. Putting me on ignore is a way to make me gone, from your point of view. From my point of view I am happy to read you posts and respond to those which interest me.
Actually, you discussed the ease of transferring to SC and gave a couple of examples of over a decade ago which applied to players who didn't transfer. But after you latest post I understand you beliefs: allowing transfer of a few player to "fill holes" in order to win is valent. Allowing more than a few players to fill holes in order to win is prostitution.
Doesn't seem to make much sense, but now at least I know your beliefs.
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Well see, you don't want me gone after all. That's great, and I am delighted with your change of views.
Join the Ivy League. We'd be champions every year.
Don't get me wrong. The Ivies have produced some NFL players ... Calvin Hill of the Cowboys, Gary Fencick of the Bears, just to name two.
I'm not sure I believe that.
Schools like that need to work with in their limitations.
Kelly got Notre Dame to the trophy games, but the system did protect the clock, or the defense.
A program such as Notre Dame needs to work within the perimeter of ball control/clock management
JMHO
I know it is early in the season and Freeman could possibly turn this around. But it looks very possible that Freeman will perform in line with Davie, Willingham, Weis...and CBK tougher years, not the last 5 years.
Many posters have discussed this on a lot of threads...do you contest that ND or any academic school has a reasonable shot at a NC?
Yes I believe schools of such caliber have a chance, but they must play within their limitation.
MF right now is not the anomaly at this point, but if he can learn to deal with, and build within the structure of players ND can get he most certainly can
