When I say greathouse played unbelievable in the playoffs and could really break out next year, that comment gets no response.
Well neither did MF. Not a sliver of an iota more merit than hiring MM would have. No experience at all, but you liked the cut of his jib, so you took a chance. So I just figure why not? On the same basis. I don't know shit about any of these guys, I do know Ash was pretty awful at Rutgers. But I think that was when they were like, just joining the Big Ten, so it was hard to win or something. I don't much like the cut of Chris Ash's jib I will say that. He doesn't cut an impressive figure to me. But he does have some NFL position coach experience just like Al Golden. Al Golden wasn't that great of a college HC either.
His agent reached to us
Funny. On another site, someone pulled up the 2022 comments when Golden was being considered. Probably 70% negative. A lot of "hard passes" -- cut to three years later, we nearly win a natty and Golden is THE biggest reason for the run (imo.) Now, is Ash the guy? A writer (TP) on another site is more worried about the cultural fit. Seems like Ash is a very hard-on-the-players guy -- showed up at Rutgers being a know it all. Remember Chip Long. Great with x's and o's, not so great with the players.
For all we know Ash is renewing himself like Golden has. Every coach has their own style and we've seen all styles be successful and fail. I think what matters most is being authentic and getting your players to buy into you. Players will tolerate a coach being a jerk, as long as they know coach does care and turns them into better players.
Yeah, I agree and I posted earlier that Ash has to be more than a coaching fit. I agree with you on Golden who just seemed to blend in with the Notre Dame culture. Whoever is hired needs to come in with the same attitude as Golden and right now, I think Coach Freeman has a good idea of the type of coaches he's looking for to join his staff.
Correct…but a little context:
I agree that DC’s have to be an inexperienced coordinator at some point. I believe a hiring coach would see something in a position coach that the average fan cannot see which would lead to such hiring. In terms of Mickens, I’m assuming Freeman sees something that has lead to him not being offered. Since we don’t have an inside scoop as to all characteristics of Mickens as a coach, we simply have to trust Freeman’s decision as to why MM wasn’t offered the position.
Huh? Do you have a link for this? I've not read a word about Mickens and the NFL.
you didn't mention he did get fired at rutgers after a terrible run
Well, the Head Coach Rutgers firing was a given and already talked about, and you can make some parallels to Golden being fired as Head Coach at Miami. My only point was to add context to your reference to his being fired multiple times. Most were as a position coach or coordinator as part of a housecleaning upon the head coach being fired. Again, I don’t have any impression of Ash, positive or negative; but my hope is Mickens is elevated as co coordinator if Ash is in fact hired. Not a negative of Ash, but a positive view of Mickens.
All good angles. The only top 10 defense he ever called was with Ohio st in 2014.
Every program is different and every situation a coach comes into is different. They all have challenges. He doesn't appear to have been great at Texas, but without knowing that situation when he was there, it could have been a lose lose situation for him.
Well said. There's nuance to everything. BVG was great at UGA, but terrible at ND. So does that make him a bad coach or a good coach? It's a team effort and I think the Ash hire is more complimentary than it is an overhaul. I remember when Weis was fired about a year later he spoke candidly about how he hired too many coaches that were respected and good at their jobs, but it was hard for them to work together. Too many chefs in one kitchen is how I took it.
"On another site, someone pulled up the 2022 comments when Golden was being considered. Probably 70% negative. A lot of "hard passes" -- cut to three years later, we nearly win a natty and Golden is THE biggest reason for the run (imo.)"
Hey, I don't care, I don't have a problem with it. I wanted MM is all, and I don't have any great reason for it other than he seems like a great DB coach, and we keep discovering and developing all these hidden gem DBs, that were I guess low four stars or whatnot. And he's at the age where he's ready for his first DC job, and we did the same thing with MF and came up roses, so why not promote him? That's it.
Read where he is not a good recruiter. Dislikes it like Golden only Golden was good with kids on campus. Never heard of Ash being like that so not sure on campus with kids except a hard type of coach[my way or the highway type].
Sorry for being such a douchebag with that stupid post, you know how it is. But it's true though, you gotta bite the bullet at some point with inexperienced coaches. I just didn't want to lose him on staff, and it seemed like maybe it was his time to get the call. But since he's going to stay, and now he gets to be co-DC, it sounds like it's a win win. And Chris Ash does seem to have a similar resume to Golden, not as good, but still similar, coming from the NFL ranks, with major DC experience and P5 HC experience. So let's roll with it!
How worthless are your posts? This is a message board Newsome, meant for opinions. Responding to every post to call the AD or coach is a joke book. Maybe try having a back bone yourself and posting something of substance
A few DCs never figured out the spread. BVG tried to stop it with an overly complex system.
Fair enough.
Win-win as we're keeping Mickens. I'll take Urban's word on this one: When Ash was hired as DC at Texas, Meyer said he was "by far, the best coordinator hire of the year," and "one of the best coaches [Meyer] has ever been around." Pretty high praise.
I don't know. I was kind of looking forward to what Get Nasty could do in the role.
