I never questioned his dedication or professionalism. You are correct these things go through agents but agents aren't going to make any moves without consent. We're all speculating and will never know the closed door situation. I don't believe it caused any issues with the defense on Monday night, but you can't tell me it wasn't in the back of his mind through the week leading up to the game.
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I never questioned his dedication or professionalism. You are correct these things go through agents but agents aren't going to make any moves without consent. We're all speculating and will never know the closed door situation. I don't believe it caused any issues with the defense on Monday night, but you can't tell me it wasn't in the back of his mind through the week leading up to the game.
Closer to fact that opinion. An NFL only waits on a college team for weeks if the coach is a lock
Taylor and Golden are friends, the verbal agreement was locked in weeks ago.
An Offense that took a 10 minute opening drive and scored a TD is only thing that kept the points down. the D gave up 31 points the first 5 possessions, that's almost as bad as you can do defensively. Goldens prep, plan, and game calling/adjustments were terrible.
BS, him and taylor are good friends. I would bet a lot of money he talked to taylor multiple times and yeah the agent handled the details, but he gave taylor a verbal.
that call took away any possibility of a sack because it made it so easy for howard and smith to know what to do PRE SNAP. There was no pre snap read due to formation and obviously no safety help.
Call Marcus Freeman and apply to be the Notre Dame DC.
Yep, but how often are you in a championship game with a key coordinator already out the door? That's disappointing.
Do you not think it was the worst coached game by Golden at ND? I sure think so. I also think people are human and react differently when they are already out the door despite how professional and good you are. That's common in the work force when people are switching jobs/companies.
I still respect players and coaches that are all in. It just appeared to me that golden wasn't all in as the play calls and more importantly the execution of the play calls were terrible. I think one of the most underrated aspects of a great coordinator is having his group execute the calls. ND did that so poorly last 2 games against the run, then also bad against the pass vs OSU.
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Seriously. Since you are so smart, and know everything about defense, email Marcus Freeman and Pete Bevacqua, apply to be the Notre Dame DC.
Use chaseball as a reference.
You also need to know as a coordinator how gray was playing in the game, that was obvious. Bringing 6 instead of 7 and having inside leverage by gray with safety help over the top is an obvious call before the game, during ,and after.
Leaving gray on an island against smith with how he was playing was really really bad. Gray obviously didn't help being slow turning his hips and going.
What else is he supposed to say? Blame the players? That is coaching 101. All reputable coaches place the blame on themselves.
Remind me to never hire you, if that's the belief you have when someone finds a new job. You're a LOSER
I watched that play via skycast which gives you an overhead view of each play, you're a complete f*cking moron and you don't know sh1t.
On that side of the field Ohio State had Smith lined up on the outside, and Egbuka in the slot.
Notre Dame had Gray lined up with Smith, and Rod Heard lined up with Egbuka. Watts was between the hashes briefly showed blitz and backed off he was 20 yards from the line of scrimmage.
Ball was snapped, Watts was drifting to that side and was in deep coverage to help. Rod Heard fell to the turf leaving Egbuka wide open and Watts was forced to cover Egbuka. The rest of the play is history.
So before you think you know how that play went you clearly didn't see any of that on that play. You are a CLUELESS MORON. Don't quit your day job.
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Watts wasn’t deep in coverage, he backed off 10 yards… he was no threat to help with smith…. dumb dumb
If you have the most important presentation of your career and a key team member lets you know they don’t want to be here anymore and are leaving company right after presentation… do you keep them involved … F no! No matter how much they were involved earlier.
It showed, goldens worst game as nd coach.
Al goldens family was probably celebrating last few weeks their dad was coming back home to their family. He pretty much said as much in his pc today. He was checked out before Penn state and it frichan showed.
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You're an idiot. I'll get the picture pre-snap. You'll see Watts is 20 yards from the LoS. He couldn't help because Heard fell within a second of the ball being snapped leaving Egbuka wide open, forcing Watts to come in toward Egbuka.
Here you go… watts starts maybe 7-8 yards off Los, looks like he’s delayed or late blitzing and is 5 yards from Los, but pulls off it to help Ebuka. Pre snap it’s clear he’s not helping anyone outside.
You all bitching about one play, albeit the game clincher, is ridiculous. The defense did not play overly well in this game and got exposed similarly to how USC exposed them with their plethora of receivers. Missed tackles were a big issue, something we haven't had issues with all year. They were certainly in position to make tackles and simply whiffed.
Bottom line is we were completely over matched against their offense all night. But pretty much everyone in the country was this year against them. Texas did the best job of slowing them down enough to stay in it until late.
Bottom line is we were completely over matched against their offense all night. But pretty much everyone in the country was this year against them. Texas did the best job of slowing them down enough to stay in it until late.
You're general point of view of pretty much everything is garbage.
How do you know that it didn’t have any impact on his preparation for the game?
If you want to give him a pass, then you have to give Kelly a pass in 2012
I know one thing, it’s very difficult to serve two masters
And to declare that Golden’s negotiations with the Bengals didn’t detract from his focus on the Ohio State game is about as naïve as you can get.
So it’s your position that he never spoke to his agent, that he and his agent never developed a strategy, that he and his agent never engaged in conversations regarding the Bengals offers and counter offers. That he was in a total bubble solely focused on the Ohio State game.
You’re either in denial, stupid or naïve, or all three …… take your pick
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agree other than we put gray in the same exact situation as golden said he shouldn't have against EVEN BETTER WRS!
That's the problem I have here. There was no reason gray had to be on an island the last play. I agree OSU was the better team, but that doesn't mean ND couldn't have won with better coaching and playing.
How Golden used gray in the game and ND not fixing their run fit issues from PSU are IMO why we lost.
Let’s start with how many times was the OSU QB sacked in the entire game?
Then let’s examine Howard’s completion percentage of 81 %
Then let’s calculate the chances that ND’s defense would get a sack versus Howard’s chances of completing a pass on 3rd and 11, probably the most critical juncture of the game.
He made the wrong call and the results prove it !
From prior conversations with you, I’m well aware that you’re adverse to statistical analysis and analytics,
Your last sentence is one of the dumbest statements that I’ve ever read.
Never forget that without constructive criticism, progress is impossible
Yes, I don't think there should have ever been a situation in that game where Smith was left without safety help over the top. But it was a tough game for that defense. OSU simply had too much talent to account for and break down were bound to happen, especially running man all night for the most part.
Totally disagree. Had zero baring on the preparation or the game. OSU had to many skilled players going up against a injury thinned DL, finally caught up to us
You can’t say that Kelly’s flirtation with the Eagles had a negative impact upon his preparation for Alabama and then say that Golden’s flirtation with the Bengals didn’t have any impact on him preparing for OSU.
AND
If you think that leaving Gray isolated on a WR deemed the best in the country without safety help on top with a QB who was completing 81 % of his passes … on a 3rd and 11 play, then it’s obvious that you know nothing about football
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Question:
If you could turn back the clock, would you call the same play …………
Or would you call a play with a safety on the top helping Gray ?
Statistical chance of a sack, less than 10 %
Chance of a completion 81 %
So what’s the prudent play ?
If you could turn back the clock, would you call the same play …………
Or would you call a play with a safety on the top helping Gray ?
Statistical chance of a sack, less than 10 %
Chance of a completion 81 %
So what’s the prudent play ?
I understand why you’re avoiding the question, you don’t like the obvious answer
1 - I never said anything about Kelly, so that's a fabrication and 2 - I've got nothing to prove to you about my knowledge of football. We lost to a better team who had multiple skilled position players that we could not contain with our DL as it was. Injuries caught up with us, and we still competed. Get over it, and yourself. No one to blame. You seem to be the one who doesn't know football, but I ain't going there, because I don't know you
You need to understand the “Royal” you.
Agree about the injuries
ND had closed the gap to 8 points and ND had the momentum.
Leaving Gray one on one with Smith was a calamitous mistake on a 3rd and 11 play.
If OSU doesn’t complete that pass, and ND gets the ball, there’s no telling what might’ve happened, despite the disparity in talent.
Defending that call is inexcusable
The problem is even if that was done, Heard was covering Egbuka. Heard fell, and Egbuka would have been wide open for a TD.
Yeah, you're a football genius on a freaking message board. And the guy you're calling out is now a DC in the NFL. Watch the tape. You clearly don't know shit
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