Al Golen leaving?

[chaseball]

The newish reality of all this is that coaches, assistants, etc leave on a regular basis anymore. If you're good at what you do... someone else is going to want to hire you.

My biggest issue with all this is that everyone, NFL and NCAA should freeze any transactions like this until after their respective season is over. The NFL is about as sleezy as they come anyway, but poaching college coaches before their season is over is bad.

One does have to question where Goldens head was prior to that game Monday night. You know for a fact that Cincy was in talks with him prior to that game and most likely for several weeks. This crap doesn't just happen over night.

I dont agree with the idea that you can't still be just as determined and hard working while being seduced by an NFL team at the same time.

I think the competitive spirit trumps all else with these coaches at this level. They love what they do and they dont like getting beat. This love/competitive spirit for the sport is essential to rising to the top or else someone else will just out work you and take your job. They are already putting in insane/infinite amounts of hours at the office out of sheer passion/love/competitive drive probably in most cases. If he wants several hours during his week to flirt with the NFL that is his business.

 

[Patrish]

I dont agree with the idea that you can't still be just as determined and hard working while being seduced by an NFL team at the same time.

I think the competitive spirit trumps all else with these coaches at this level. They love what they do and they dont like getting beat. This love/competitive spirit for the sport is essential to rising to the top or else someone else will just out work you and take your job. They are already putting in insane/infinite amounts of hours at the office out of sheer passion/love/competitive drive probably in most cases. If he wants several hours during his week to flirt with the NFL that is his business.

You’re living in a dreamworld

Tell me how a married man with three kids is focused on his marriage while he’s having an affair, flirtatious and/or physical

It’s very difficult to serve two masters and be devoted to both

 

[DieHard_Irish]

You’re living in a dreamworld

Tell me how a married man with three kids is focused on his marriage while he’s having an affair, flirtatious and/or physical

It’s very difficult to serve two masters and be devoted to both

Seriously? Are you speaking from experience? If not, how would you know?

 

[Patrish]

Seriously? Are you speaking from experience? If not, how would you know?

A chimpanzee learns from his own experience but a wise man learns from the experiences of others

How’s that for an answer douche bag !

 

[deadirishpoet]

Al Golden versus Tommy Rees in the AFC North, twice a season.

I think it more the players they have than the coaches themselves.
With all things equal it could be interesting

 

[deadirishpoet]

am I missing something? Why is this funny

Not sure I get your meaning

 

[DieHard_Irish]

A chimpanzee learns from his own experience but a wise man learns from the experiences of others

How’s that for an answer douche bag !

Douche bag? are you 12 years old or the chimpanzee? Grow up

 

[BGI User 1596]

Douche bag? are you 12 years old or the chimpanzee? Grow up

Ouch!

 

[Patrish]

Douche bag? are you 12 years old or the chimpanzee? Grow up

You were the one who initiated the insulting comment?

If you’re gonna dish it out, you better be prepared to take it.

 

[Telx1]

Remind me to never hire you, if that's the belief you have when someone finds a new job. You're a LOSER

I watched that play via skycast which gives you an overhead view of each play, you're a complete f*cking moron and you don't know sh1t.

On that side of the field Ohio State had Smith lined up on the outside, and Egbuka in the slot.
Notre Dame had Gray lined up with Smith, and Rod Heard lined up with Egbuka. Watts was between the hashes briefly showed blitz and backed off he was 20 yards from the line of scrimmage.

Ball was snapped, Watts was drifting to that side and was in deep coverage to help. Rod Heard fell to the turf leaving Egbuka wide open and Watts was forced to cover Egbuka. The rest of the play is history.

So before you think you know how that play went you clearly didn't see any of that on that play. You are a CLUELESS MORON. Don't quit your day job.

Interesting explanation. Didn’t benefit from this view, and first time reading this explanation. Thank you.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

You were the one who initiated the insulting comment?

If you’re gonna dish it out, you better be prepared to take it.

Insulting comment? I merely pointed out the obvious that you clearly don't know shit about football. Not sure at all why that's insulting. And you respond with the ever crushing childish douche bag comment. So I'll stick with; grow up

 

[Patrish]

Insulting comment? I merely pointed out the obvious that you clearly don't know shit about football. Not sure at all why that's insulting. And you respond with the ever crushing childish douche bag comment. So I'll stick with; grow up

Bullshit, you made a wise guy comment about me being an adulterer, and then you got your nose bloodied with my response, and then you started whining.

If you’re going to dish it out, you better be prepared to take it.

P.S. I’ve forgotten more about football than you’ll ever know.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Insulting comment? I merely pointed out the obvious that you clearly don't know shit about football. Not sure at all why that's insulting. And you respond with the ever crushing childish douche bag comment. So I'll stick with; grow up

Ouch!

 

[DieHard_Irish]

Bullshit, you made a wise guy comment about me being an adulterer, and then you got your nose bloodied with my response, and then you started whining.

If you’re going to dish it out, you better be prepared to take it.

P.S. I’ve forgotten more about football than you’ll ever know.

You introduced adultery, not me. Forgot more Football haha, do you're a comedian to; very impressive. Forgetting all that Football definitely explains your posts. Thanks for that

 

[Get Nasty]

Interesting explanation. Didn’t benefit from this view, and first time reading this explanation. Thank you.

He’s lying. I tagged a Video of the play. Watts was never in deep coverage. He was 5-7 yards behind Los. It was a terrible call that made Howard and smith super easy decision making

 

[Patrish]

You introduced adultery, not me. Forgot more Football haha, do you're a comedian to; very impressive. Forgetting all that Football definitely explains your posts. Thanks for that

I cited the impact of distractions and how focus could be lost, be it by flirtation or physical, you were the douche bag who personalized it and accused me.

You’re not just a douche bag, you’re a lying douche bag !

Go lick your wounds somewhere else.

Ouch !

 

[DieHard_Irish]

I cited the impact of distractions and how focus could be lost, be it by flirtation or physical, you were the douche bag who personalized it and accused me.

You’re not just a douche bag, you’re a lying douche bag !

Go lick your wounds somewhere else.

Ouch !

Jesus, grow up. You gotta be 12 years old, if that.

 

[sjb75]

He’s lying. I tagged a Video of the play. Watts was never in deep coverage. He was 5-7 yards behind Los. It was a terrible call that made Howard and smith super easy decision making

You calling out and mocking Ambrose Wooden a few days ago, for his coverage against Dwayne Jarrett//Matt Leinart on the critical 4th-9 play against USC in 2005, still bothers me.

 

[Telx1]

He’s lying. I tagged a Video of the play. Watts was never in deep coverage. He was 5-7 yards behind Los. It was a terrible call that made Howard and smith super easy decision making

That was my take watching the play unfold. But, can’t see why Ndinnj would lie about what he observed from a totally different perspective. Regardless, I take Golden’s word that he made a bad call on the play; which of course can be questioned since by saying so he is giving cover to his player. Looked to me that Golden thought throwing maximum pressure at Howard would result in a hurried incomplete or sack, and the Ohio State line and back picked up everyone and gave Howard the time to make the throw. We’d be loving the aggressive call if we sacked Howard, but it turned out to be a poor gamble at one of the most critical plays of the game.

 

[sjb75]

That was my take watching the play unfold. But, can’t see why Ndinnj would lie about what he observed from a totally different perspective. Regardless, I take Golden’s word that he made a bad call on the play; which of course can be questioned since by saying so he is giving cover to his player. Looked to me that Golden thought throwing maximum pressure at Howard would result in a hurried incomplete or sack, and the Ohio State line and back picked up everyone and gave Howard the time to make the throw. We’d be loving the aggressive call if we sacked Howard, but it turned out to be a poor gamble at one of the most critical plays of the game.

Like you said, what else is Al Golden supposed to say?

 

[Get Nasty]

That was my take watching the play unfold. But, can’t see why Ndinnj would lie about what he observed from a totally different perspective. Regardless, I take Golden’s word that he made a bad call on the play; which of course can be questioned since by saying so he is giving cover to his player. Looked to me that Golden thought throwing maximum pressure at Howard would result in a hurried incomplete or sack, and the Ohio State line and back picked up everyone and gave Howard the time to make the throw. We’d be loving the aggressive call if we sacked Howard, but it turned out to be a poor gamble at one of the most critical plays of the game.

Giving Howard such an easy pre snap read, only chance nd had of success was a complete whiff in coverage, a terrible throw Howard hadn’t done all game, or a smith drop, wr with the bear hands in football.

Golden put the game in grays hands.

 

[NDinNJ]

He’s lying. I tagged a Video of the play. Watts was never in deep coverage. He was 5-7 yards behind Los. It was a terrible call that made Howard and smith super easy decision making

Even still, Heard fell leaving Egbuka completely free, so if Watts was 7 yards deep or 20 he would have had to pick up Egbuka

 

[Get Nasty]

Even still, Heard fell leaving Egbuka completely free, so if Watts was 7 yards deep or 20 he would have had to pick up Egbuka

I agree, he pulled off his blitz to help

But pre snap everyone in the world knew gray and smith were 1-1 with no help and all the space you could ever want. It made the decision simple… gray plays inside and it’s a go route, gray plays press/top and it’s an inside slant

 

[Patrish]

Jesus, grow up. You gotta be 12 years old, if that.

You personalized this, not me … you attacked my character !

take responsibility for your actions and stop whining when you get called to task for your remarks

 

[Patrish]

That was my take watching the play unfold. But, can’t see why Ndinnj would lie about what he observed from a totally different perspective. Regardless, I take Golden’s word that he made a bad call on the play; which of course can be questioned since by saying so he is giving cover to his player. Looked to me that Golden thought throwing maximum pressure at Howard would result in a hurried incomplete or sack, and the Ohio State line and back picked up everyone and gave Howard the time to make the throw. We’d be loving the aggressive call if we sacked Howard, but it turned out to be a poor gamble at one of the most critical plays of the game.

TelX1,

We hadn’t been able to get to Howard for most of the day and he was completing about 81 % of his passes

From a pure statistical and analytical perspective it was a bad call, and what makes it even worse is the potential result if the defensive call failed, which it did.

No one knows the final outcome if OSU’s 3rd & 11 call fails, but ND gets the ball and ND has momentum. Do they tie it up, do they lose by 8, we’ll never know, but I would have liked to have seen the game turn into a thriller.

 

[Patrish]

I agree, he pulled off his blitz to help

But pre snap everyone in the world knew gray and smith were 1-1 with no help and all the space you could ever want. It made the decision simple… gray plays inside and it’s a go route, gray plays press/top and it’s an inside slant

I agree and that’s why he needed over the top help

Golden made a terrible mistake at the most critical point in the game for ND

Unfortunately, we can’t change anything, but I should would have liked to have seen us get the ball back

 

[sjb75]

I agree and that’s why he needed over the top help

Golden made a terrible mistake at the most critical point in the game for ND

Unfortunately, we can’t change anything, but I should would have liked to have seen us get the ball back

Game was over a week ago. Transition.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

You personalized this, not me … you attacked my character !

take responsibility for your actions and stop whining when you get called to task for your remarks

I didn't attack your character, you introduced adultery into the thread, not me. Of all the examples you could have used, you I used adultery, so naturally I ask how you would know. Maybe reading is your problem, or being a chimpanzee is your problem; I have no idea. Hopefully, some day you'll grow up, learn how to read, and all will be good in your world. Let's hope that day comes sooner rather than later

 

[Telx1]

TelX1,

We hadn’t been able to get to Howard for most of the day and he was completing about 81 % of his passes

From a pure statistical and analytical perspective it was a bad call, and what makes it even worse is the potential result if the defensive call failed, which it did.

No one knows the final outcome if OSU’s 3rd & 11 call fails, but ND gets the ball and ND has momentum. Do they tie it up, do they lose by 8, we’ll never know, but I would have liked to have seen the game turn into a thriller.

Pat..I had little confidence in our mounting a game ending win after Ohio State got the ball with 4 minutes left. They were a first down machine against our defense, and I expected them to run the clock out. But then we had them third and long, and I got damn excited as we found they had no answer for Greathouse, and RL was on a hot streak. Thoughts of Montana in the Cotton Bowl popped up. As you say, we’ll never know, but I sure as hell would have loved to.

 

[Patrish]

I didn't attack your character, you introduced adultery into the thread, not me. Of all the examples you could have used, you I used adultery, so naturally I ask how you would know. Maybe reading is your problem, or being a chimpanzee is your problem; I have no idea. Hopefully, some day you'll grow up, learn how to read, and all will be good in your world. Let's hope that day comes sooner rather than later

You’re a liar !
Here’s what you said:
“Seriously? Are you speaking from experience? If not, how would you know?”

You personalized a generic, general and antiseptic example and essentially accused me of being an adulterer.
You were a wise guy and thought you’d take a shot at me and that you would get away with it without any repercussions.

But it didn’t turn out that way and you got your nose bloodied, so you started whining as if you were a victim.

If you had a legitimate criticism, if you found fault with my facts or my logic, I’d have no problem with you calling me out, but that’s not what happened
You were a wise guy, you were a little weasel, you were a little douche bag who personalized a generic topic and essentially branded me as an adulterer, but it didn’t work out as you had hoped and expected.
If anyone needs to grow up, it’s you, maybe this will be a good lesson for you not to call people names when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Now, go lick your wounds and take your beating like a man.

 

[Patrish]

Pat..I had little confidence in our mounting a game ending win after Ohio State got the ball with 4 minutes left. They were a first down machine against our defense, and I expected them to run the clock out. But then we had them third and long, and I got damn excited as we found they had no answer for Greathouse, and RL was on a hot streak. Thoughts of Montana in the Cotton Bowl popped up. As you say, we’ll never know, but I sure as hell would have loved to.

Certainly, my imagination was running wild with the thought of us stopping them on 3rd and 11, but alas, it wasn’t to be.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

You’re a liar !
Here’s what you said:
“Seriously? Are you speaking from experience? If not, how would you know?”

You personalized a generic, general and antiseptic example and essentially accused me of being an adulterer.
You were a wise guy and thought you’d take a shot at me and that you would get away with it without any repercussions.

But it didn’t turn out that way and you got your nose bloodied, so you started whining as if you were a victim.

If you had a legitimate criticism, if you found fault with my facts or my logic, I’d have no problem with you calling me out, but that’s not what happened
You were a wise guy, you were a little weasel, you were a little douche bag who personalized a generic topic and essentially branded me as an adulterer, but it didn’t work out as you had hoped and expected.
If anyone needs to grow up, it’s you, maybe this will be a good lesson for you not to call people names when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Now, go lick your wounds and take your beating like a man.

You think using Adultery is antiseptic? Seriously? You introduced it, so you either don't know what your talking about; or have experience, or you're the chimpanzee. You tell me. I don't know. As for whining and/or licking my wounds, absolutely laughable. You seriously think some dipshit on a message board has any effect on me at all; you think to much of yourself

 

[notredamerises23]

I wonder sometimes what the attraction is to some nfl jobs. You mention family, maybe more money? No recruiting? More home base stability ie less travel. Maybe more prestige?

I am thinking the nd job is pretty sweet. So dunno. Probably depends on the coach b his prefere

Coaching in the NFL is considered the highest level of coaching. For any coach, there’s nothing higher than that and even though a coach might have a desirable situation in college and he’s doing something that he loves and is winning a d successfully developing players and so on and so on, coaching in the NFL is seen as the apex of the profession, so a lot of people want to prove themselves at that level.

 

[notredamerises23]

Seems to me that freeman’s scheme works best when he has a dominating d line. We need that component next season

Every scheme works better when you have a dominating defensive line.

 

[THUNDERSTRUCK111]

Every scheme works better when you have a dominating defensive line.

I guess I should rephrase what I was referring to. My reference was to the 3-3-5 defense.
Freeman likes that 3-3-5 look, In order for the 3-3-5 defense to be effective you need exceptional D lineman. Big athletic bodies that demand a double team.
Riley mills may be the only guy that could make it work but we need3 of him and we don’t have that.

Example : in 2021 freeman’s first season he tried doing it vs Florida st. We had zero success and the Seminole’s were running right through us. Kelly got pissed off and told him I want a 4 man front. When we went beck to a 4 man front we were way better. The RJ Obens , Jordan bothellos , traore etc are not the right fit for a3-3-5.

It’s a no brainer yea you need a good line to be effective. I was talking about the scheme freeman wanted to run when he was DC and couldn’t do it because we don’t have the personnel on D lineman to do it.

 

[Get Nasty]

Every scheme works better when you have a dominating defensive line.

Yep, and with 3rd and 11 you'd think we'd have our pass rushing Dline in... NOPE. We had frichan bowen as a rush end... WTF

No Young, No Sneed, the guys that actually get pressure. We also had no safety help.

We did the complete opposite of how we got the big pick vs penn state. I honestly think if we run the same D on 3rd and 11 vs osu as we did vs PSU with maybe a tiny twist, ND gets the ball back.

The call, the personnel, the lack of execution. Terrible.

 

[Patrish]

You think using Adultery is antiseptic? Seriously? You introduced it, so you either don't know what your talking about; or have experience, or you're the chimpanzee. You tell me. I don't know. As for whining and/or licking my wounds, absolutely laughable. You seriously think some dipshit on a message board has any effect on me at all; you think to much of yourself

It’s obvious that I’ve gotten under your skin

I quoted exactly what you said, and now you’re trying to distance yourself from your comment and your personal attack

My example was a perfect example of how somebody can be distracted by outside influences, it was a general statement, but you chose to personalize it because you’re a douche bag, but you’re not just a douche bag, you’re a lying, whining little douche bag !
The worst kind.

You don’t have the character and integrity to admit that you were wrong in initiating a personal attack
Proving once again that you’re lying, whining, little douche bag !

 

[Patrish]

Yep, and with 3rd and 11 you'd think we'd have our pass rushing Dline in... NOPE. We had frichan bowen as a rush end... WTF

No Young, No Sneed, the guys that actually get pressure. We also had no safety help.

We did the complete opposite of how we got the big pick vs penn state. I honestly think if we run the same D on 3rd and 11 vs osu as we did vs PSU with maybe a tiny twist, ND gets the ball back.

The call, the personnel, the lack of execution. Terrible.

👍

 

[DieHard_Irish]

It’s obvious that I’ve gotten under your skin

I quoted exactly what you said, and now you’re trying to distance yourself from your comment and your personal attack

My example was a perfect example of how somebody can be distracted by outside influences, it was a general statement, but you chose to personalize it because you’re a douche bag, but you’re not just a douche bag, you’re a lying, whining little douche bag !
The worst kind.

You don’t have the character and integrity to admit that you were wrong in initiating a personal attack
Proving once again that you’re lying, whining, little douche bag !

No I think you're the douche bag who used adultery ridiculous analogy in a thread about a football coach. That isn't lying, that's speaking directly to exactly what you said. It's not often, actually it's never, that I use adultery to discuss any point about a football coach. So, admit I'm wrong? No I don't think so. We've now determined you are the whiner in this thread, with an obvious problem with reading. GTFU

 

[Patrish]

No I think you're the douche bag who used adultery ridiculous analogy in a thread about a football coach. That isn't lying, that's speaking directly to exactly what you said. It's not often, actually it's never, that I use adultery to discuss any point about a football coach. So, admit I'm wrong? No I don't think so. We've now determined you are the whiner in this thread, with an obvious problem with reading. GTFU

You took a generic example related to the diversion of focus that had absolutely nothing to do with me and like a snide wise gut you took a personal shot at me.

When I brought you to task for your ignorant, uniformed and irresponsible statement, instead of being a man and admitting that you misspoke, you chose instead to be a whining little weasel.

Your actions, not my words, have proved who you are, you’re a whining little douche bag.