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Exactly what is the criteria?
PSU best win is a 14 victory at home vs Illinois who need ot to beat Purdue & Nebraska and a hail mary to beat Rutgers.
PSU struggled with Bowling Green
PSU struggled with 6-5 USC
PSU struggled with 5-6 Wisconsin
PSU struggled with 6-5 Minnesota

Best win is 35-6 vs 6-5 Washington.
It seems their best argument is they lost to OSU at home by 7.
This playoff committee is all over the place. I don't think they have a criterea
 
Really bad calls! Thought we got caught up in showing we could impose our will on them, and all we got instead was a pile of bodies Riley couldn’t hurdle. Hell, the way they were selling out and crashing down from the ends, Riley could have faked the handoff and skipped to the pylon.

I don’t necessarily like a shotgun formation from the 1 either unless we’re going to actually throw it. It was clear what Army was doing defensively. Good for us Riley didn’t get hurt.
 
I don’t necessarily like a shotgun formation from the 1 either unless we’re going to actually throw it. It was clear what Army was doing defensively. Good for us Riley didn’t get hurt.
We see more and more of this in college football and it boggles my mind. When you have a half yd to one yd to make a first down or TD why in the f--ck do you line up in shotgun. Absolute stupidity. Line up with QB under center and sneak it or run the tailback in power I formation.
 
We see more and more of this in college football and it boggles my mind. When you have a half yd to one yd to make a first down or TD why in the f--ck do you line up in shotgun. Absolute stupidity. Line up with QB under center and sneak it or run the tailback in power I formation.
Why? To spread out the defense and create more space.

And it isn’t stupidity.
 
Sec is balanced because of a drop off, not more teams being better. Georgia and Alabama are clearly not what they’ve been last 5-10 years.
That is likely because others like Tenn and Ole Miss are paying their talent to stay away from Bama et al. I doubt Smart forgot how to coach better than UK and SCe.
Irish up to 5 in ap poll.

Bama at 12 is bs.

Is Alabama really 13th after losing by 3 touchdowns to Oklahoma?
I don't think A&M will beat Texas.
There is like 1 point of difference between #10 and 15th. This year the people are justified in using the 'eye test' where the math is not helpful.
 
It's a Sunday night. The Holiday season has started. And....

You're calling someone a Pussy on an anonymous internet message board because he won't make a pointless bet with you.

You're a dark dude.
No I'm not. He's the one with 25K posts in this forum. I don't live on this forum, I've got better things to do with my life.

Your buddy can't admit when he's wrong. He pretends to be confident but when he's called out, he doesn't deliver or back it up. He just keeps on with his narrative or disappears like he did in week 2 of the season.

Here's the simple truth on this topic. ND is better than PSU, but as it pertains to the CFP, they will not jump ahead of PSU in the rankings for a number of reasons unless PSU loses. I'm simply pointing out the reality. I can't help that your buddy is delusional and believes otherwise.

Happy Thanksgiving! Go Irish! ☘️
 
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I cannot believe that Alabama is still lurking near the CFB! They lost To Vanderbilt and a very mediocre Oklahoma team, and have three losses. That's just plain silly!
The Irish at #5 is about right. When they take care of business Saturday afternoon, they will probably end up there unless there's a gigantic upset in the top four. They will have a home game too!
 
No I'm not. He's the one with 25K posts in this forum. I don't live on this forum, I've got better things to do with my life.

Your buddy can't admit when he's wrong. He pretends to be confident but when he's called out, he doesn't deliver or back it up. He just keeps on with his narrative or disappears like he did in week 2 of the season.

Here's the simple truth on this topic. ND is better than PSU, but as it pertains to the CFP, they will not jump ahead of PSU in the rankings for a number of reasons unless PSU loses. I'm simply pointing out the reality. I can't help that your buddy is delusional and believes otherwise.

Happy Thanksgiving! Go Irish! ☘️
Fair enough. Happy Thanksgiving.

Go Irish! What a season this could end up being.
 
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Uhhhh.....USC beat LSU head to head

But of course, much better

No bias here at all
So NIU better than ND using your logic ? Simply put I think LSU fares much, much better against the other 11 teams on the USC schedule than USC would fare against the other 11 teams on the LSU schedule.
 
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Whether or not ND deserves to be #3 or #4 , it's hard to jump another team that is also winning. Yes, PSU struggled against Minnesota, but they still won on the road. Add in the fact that the 12 team playoff is skewed to prop up the two super conferences, I can't see the playoff committee having ND jump PSU..

Claim all you want that ND beat a #19 Army, but Army did not deserve that ranking just like IU did not deserve their high ranking. The committee clearly doesn't weigh schedule strength in their rankings even though they are supposed to.
ND is the only team in the country with 6 wins against teams with 7 or more victories.
 
When you lose at home to shitty abysmal Northern Illinois and never ever mention the loss as a factor in ranking the top 5, you should not be taken seriously.

I would rank Penn State above Notre Dame.
No logical reason for it. See previous post.
 
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ND is the only team in the country with 6 wins against teams with 7 or more victories.
And only 1 of those teams with 7 or more victories is in the CFP top 25. Anyone can skew numbers favorably. Who your opponents play matters as well. For example, Army at 9-1 built their record by beating teams like Lehigh, FAU, Rice, Temple, UAB, etc.
 
And only 1 of those teams with 7 or more victories is in the CFP top 25. Anyone can skew numbers favorably. Who your opponents play matters as well. For example, Army at 9-1 built their record by beating teams like Lehigh, FAU, Rice, Temple, UAB, etc.
That aside they are still the ONLY team to accomplish that. They can't control other teams schedule.
 
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That aside they are still the ONLY team to accomplish that. They can't control other teams schedule.
No, that aside. Your point is meaningless. It has no factor in the ranking that matters. Who your opponents play matters and it's also considered in the rankings.
 
I think PSU should be ranked ahead of ND. 10 Power 4 opponents to ND’s 8. ND has strong G5’s on their schedule but PSU also has Bowling Green.

ND has been more dominant but the difference in losses and SOS sets them apart IMO.

Perhaps if PSU were to escape Maryland and ND soundly beats USC then I would consider ND.

That USC loss to PSU was a double whammy for ND.
 
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I think PSU should be ranked ahead of ND. 10 Power 4 opponents to ND’s 8. ND has strong G5’s on their schedule but PSU also has Bowling Green.

ND has been more dominant but the difference in losses and SOS sets them apart IMO.

Perhaps if PSU were to escape Maryland and ND soundly beats USC then I would consider ND.

That USC loss to PSU was a double whammy for ND.
Agree. I believe ND is the better team. Head to Head, ND wins, but unfortunately PSU's resume is slightly better than ND's. Better schedule, better loss, but ND has the better quality win in A&M
 
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No, that aside. Your point is meaningless. It has no factor in the ranking that matters. Who your opponents play matters and it's also considered in the rankings.
Meaningless to you perhaps. It's being discussed nationally as a positive for Notre Dame.
 
I'm no expert, but I've seen jumbo packages over the years absolutely get the push for snap under center QB surge. Even selling out. You'd think a bigger, stronger team could do that...ND OL and TEs vs Army smaller guys?
But he didn’t run under center, he takes shotgun snap and ran over tackle…Army had more players at that point of attack.

This isn’t the Philly tush push
 
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Agree. I believe ND is the better team. Head to Head, ND wins, but unfortunately PSU's resume is slightly better than ND's. Better schedule, better loss, but ND has the better quality win in A&M
Slightly better how ? Best win against Illinois. Barely escaping USC and mighty Minnesota ? Their strongest data point is a loss. ND isn't escaping anyone.
 
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I think PSU should be ranked ahead of ND. 10 Power 4 opponents to ND’s 8. ND has strong G5’s on their schedule but PSU also has Bowling Green.

ND has been more dominant but the difference in losses and SOS sets them apart IMO.

Perhaps if PSU were to escape Maryland and ND soundly beats USC then I would consider ND.

That USC loss to PSU was a double whammy for ND.
I’m ok with Penn state ahead right now, but if ND handles Business in a convincing fashion like they should this week, they should jump Penn state.

It’s important to win the title. Second round if you jump Penn state would be vs Miami or smu instead of say Georgia.
 
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I said when this 12 team expansion started you would see three loss teams in the Playoffs.
Would not surprise me to see a four loss team sometime
 
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I’m ok with Penn state ahead right now, but if ND handles Business in a convincing fashion like they should this week, they should jump Penn state.

It’s important to win the title. Second round if you jump Penn state would be vs Miami or smu instead of say Georgia.
Exactly my thoughts. Beat USC in convincing fashion then we deserve to move ahead of Penn St. But much more importantly, just win this damn game! Beating USC at the coliseum and earning a spot in the playoffs is all I really care about. Go Irish ☘️
 
It's funny to read six pages of back and forth of people using the "who beat who and by how much" logic to make their case for which team deserves to be ranked ahead of another but not referencing the system that is designed on that logic and is mathematically sound and far more comprehensive about it 😂 😂 😂

I would liken the scenario to one using their bare hands to struggle to screw something in instead of simply picking up the screwdriver that is sitting on the table right next to them
 
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2 weeks to go and so many games to play out to determine the final rankings which is so awesome. Ive never been this excited to watch other games. Especially games lime Tech vs GA or ACC & Big 12 match ups. I even got my eye on Boise. My pessimistic buddy has me alittle worried because he made the point that whatever the playoff com. can do to screw ND or give the best rating they will do, but I still hope they rank us fair and where we belong. Having said that I have a feeling we're gonna play Bama in 1st rd.
 
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Slightly better how ? Best win against Illinois. Barely escaping USC and mighty Minnesota ? Their strongest data point is a loss. ND isn't escaping anyone.
Their strength of schedule is better than ND's
 
2 weeks to go and so many games to play out to determine the final rankings which is so awesome. Ive never been this excited to watch other games. Especially games lime Tech vs GA or ACC & Big 12 match ups. I even got my eye on Boise. My pessimistic buddy has me alittle worried because he made the point that whatever the playoff com. can do to screw ND or give the best rating they will do, but I still hope they rank us fair and where we belong. Having said that I have a feeling we're gonna play Bama in 1st rd.
ESPN did a Las Vegas odds segment regarding potential matchups in the CFB playoff, and Alabama at Notre Dame was a Pick ‘Em. This was a little before Alabama lost at Oklahoma.
 
But their performances are not. Not even close.
And that was my buddy's point, the playoff com. can say anything, use any metric to validate why they ranked teams where they ranked them and when in doubt they will go to the tried & true "eye test" if they need to justify a head scratching decision.
 
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And that was my buddy's point, the playoff com. can say anything, use any metric to validate why they ranked teams where they ranked them and when in doubt they will go to the tried & true "eye test" if they need to justify a head scratching decision.
Playoff committee members were selected based purely on their integrity and if you read their website 100% of their mission is to select the 12 best teams in the country for the playoff
 
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