CFP Top 25

[Golson5]

This is the Georgia schedule. The SEC gap is small until you play this schedule. How many games would Notre Dame win?

At Kentucky
At Alabama
Auburn
Mississippi State
At Texas
Florida
At Mississippi
Tennessee

Kentucky stinks
Auburn stinks
Miss state is awful
Florida is average

4 wins there

Then I think we go 2 and 2 like they did. Possibly 3 and 1 but we'll say 2.

That's why I would have Georgia also above PSU. I think Georgia is one of the 5 best teams in the country for sure

 

[Golson5]

You're a dope. Here are the rules as provided by the CFP:
The committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering:
Strength of schedule,
Head-to-head competition,
Comparative outcomes of common opponents (WITHOUT INCENTING MARGIN OF VICTORY).

It's in their own selection criteria, that margin of victory is not a consideration when looking at common opponents. It also carries far less weight than wins and losses, strength of schedule, and head to head.

Okay. Now I know there is no reasoning with you and you cannot admit anything because it's against me

So again, we don't need to discuss things on here ever. But you will continue to mention me and talk towards me.

So I'll try again to not speak to you unless spoken about by you

You've shown the type of person you are by not answering the question

 

[NDinNJ]

13 is significant 🤣🤣

It's a subjective ranking and 13 is not significant

But even it was, we've dominated our schedule more than enough to make up for that SIGNIFICANT difference

🤣🤣

13 spots is significant. As an example in the CFP ranking, a 13 spot difference between teams means one team is in the playoff, the other is not. So yea 13 spots in a ranking can be significant.

 

[NDinNJ]

Okay. Now I know there is no reasoning with you and you cannot admit anything because it's against me

So again, we don't need to discuss things on here ever. But you will continue to mention me and talk towards me.

So I'll try again to not speak to you unless spoken about by you

You've shown the type of person you are by not answering the question

Oh now that i've shown you PROOF that margin of victory between common opponents has no bearing on the rankings, you're stating i'm just coming at you because it's you. 😂 I'm just proving you're wrong. as I would with any other poster that makes outlandish and false claims.

Maybe if you did some research prior to posting you wouldn't post false info.

 

[Get Nasty]

It will be talked about when this 2 teams are battling for position.

How teams played against common opponents is always a factor

And if we played better against Purdue and SC there's a good chance that puts us above PSU

Use your head

Agree with Golson… nd is passing the eye test and metrics bette than psu is, not shocked if we jump them, and I think we should. Especially if we have a comfortable win at USC, as we should.

 

[Get Nasty]

The SEC is very balanced this year unlike past years when one or two were clearly dominant. This year I think they have a half dozen teams at least capable of beating anyone. I think ND is that capable also. The SEC is cannibalizing itself because of that balance. I'm not suggesting that should give them a pass with the committee but when comparing teams I'm guessing it will be a factor. Indiana may have benefitted the most from what happened in the SEC yesterday. I was not impressed at all with Indiana yesterday especially their offense. One really good drive early. OSU started to dial up pressure and the Indiana o line was awful. Too many free lanes to the QB who was clearly rattled. I think they back in to the playoff and get drilled in the 1st round.

Sec is balanced because of a drop off, not more teams being better. Georgia and Alabama are clearly not what they’ve been last 5-10 years.

 

[Golson5]

13 spots is significant. As an example in the CFP ranking, a 13 spot difference between teams means one team is in the playoff, the other is not. So yea 13 spots in a ranking can be significant.

Lol

 

[Golson5]

Oh now that i've shown you PROOF that margin of victory between common opponents has no bearing on the rankings, you're stating i'm just coming at you because it's you. 😂 I'm just proving you're wrong. as I would with any other poster that makes outlandish and false claims.

Maybe if you did some research prior to posting you wouldn't post false info.

Right I asked you a specific question and we both know it would matter. If another poster brought up the same question you would say yes it would matter

We all get it though

That point you brought up was brought up many times throughout the years in the show and it's in there so they didn't have teams trying to run up the score. That point has already been addressed. You know it. And I know it

 

[THUNDERSTRUCK111]

Irish up to 5 in ap poll.

Bama at 12 is bs.

 

[Golson5]

Irish up to 5 in ap poll.

Bama at 12 is bs.

They are 13th but yes, that's a little high

 

[Get Nasty]

I personally think rankings should be Oregon, osu, Texas, ND, psu, Miami, smu, Georgia, Tenn, Indiana, Clemson, Boise, Alabama

Both Miami and smu should get in

 

[Telx1]

Telx-

Where do you think we're weak on the OL? Are there any spots where we'll flat-out get pounded and overwhelmed vs better comp?

I’ve been impressed with Knapp’s development, but I still think he will struggle against a really good athletic DE. Rocco is Rocco, and we know he is average at best against the pass rush when defensive lines stunt, and slow of foot on rushing plays. Wagner has played solid all year, but I thought subpar for him yesterday. Overall, the line is playing really well right now, and you can’t deny the success of the running game and the time afforded Leonard in recent games. My concern is far less today than earlier in the year, but a concern nonetheless. Hopefully they look good against USC and put my concerns to bed against a quality opponent in the playoffs.

 

[Get Nasty]

Irish up to 5 in ap poll.

Bama at 12 is bs.

13th, and I think that’s right, really 14th for playoff..

 

[Get Nasty]

I’ve been impressed with Knapp’s development, but I still think he will struggle against a really good athletic DE. Rocco is Rocco, and we know he is average at best against the pass rush when defensive lines stunt, and slow of foot on rushing plays. Wagner has played solid all year, but I thought subpar for him yesterday. Overall, the line is playing really well right now, and you can’t deny the success of the running game and the time afforded Leonard in recent games. My concern is far less today than earlier in the year, but a concern nonetheless. Hopefully they look good against USC and put my concerns to bed against a quality opponent in the playoffs.

How they play vs usc to me will show on scoreboard and if we should be 5th or 6th seed

Id nd handles their business the eye test is there as good as anyone including Oregon osu

We would just have the complete program failure one game that could make us not 5 seed

 

[THUNDERSTRUCK111]

Leonard had a couple nice throws yesterday.

He keeps getting better.

 

[Telx1]

Solid points. I highlighted a specific one you made. Throw on RL and Denbrock.

Against, like you said...better competition!

That is my focus and concern.

Again, ND can go in any game in my book with any opponent 50:50 by now...with those specific concerns that might make the margin of difference...but would not be favored vs Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, and Texas.

I'll keep beating the dead horse: I weight things like this because of the NIU loss and schedule. I will champion ND, my team...but as a long suffering fan since 1988, I've seen various situations. The burden of proof is on The Irish.

I'm seeing crystal sparkles of hope...praying they materialize. Maybe this is the year?

Keep looking…they’re there! Leonard is throwing the ball much better, our running backs are elite, and our defense can keep us in any game against any team this year. Maybe this IS the year?

 

[ndhuntington]

What has Notre Dame done?

Well if Texas A&M beats Texas we beat Texas A&M, we also beat Lousville, Georgia Tech, Miami Ohio, Army, Navy, all bowl teams all ranked at one time or will be ranked in the top 25. And we still have USC another bowl team..

 

[NDinNJ]

Right I asked you a specific question and we both know it would matter. If another poster brought up the same question you would say yes it would matter

We all get it though

That point you brought up was brought up many times throughout the years in the show and it's in there so they didn't have teams trying to run up the score. That point has already been addressed. You know it. And I know it

Again, to your original point. Margin of victory has no bearing on how the CFP ranks teams. You stated it did which is completely false. Don't go changing the goal posts now that you've been proven wrong.

 

[Golson5]

Again, to your original point. Margin of victory has no bearing on how the CFP ranks teams. You stated it did which is completely false. Don't go changing the goal posts now that you've been proven wrong.

Riiighhtttt. They won't look at that. They will evaluate common opponents but not look how each team performed against them

Psu beat sc by 28. ND beats SC by 3. It would absolutely matter

Keep telling yourself that sport.

 

[sjb75]

Well if Texas A&M beats Texas we beat Texas A&M, we also beat Lousville, Georgia Tech, Miami Ohio, Army, Navy, all bowl teams all ranked at one time or will be ranked in the top 25. And we still have USC another bowl team..

Gee, OK.

 

[francade]

“At Kentucky
At Alabama
Auburn
Mississippi State
At Texas
Florida
At Mississippi
Tennessee”

ND beats all of them except Texas. That game is a toss up. The rest of that list is mostly average & definitely not the gauntlet that you and some here like to make it. Any list that has kentucky auburn miss st & even Florida on it isn’t a gauntlet by no stretch. Bama is down and has lost 3 games and ole miss is typical lane team, good offense, average at best defense, nothing special. Tenn is a good team, nothing great. Texas is the only one that we lose to, imo, and that’s a maybe.

 

[christophero]

Is Alabama really 13th after losing by 3 touchdowns to Oklahoma?
I don't think A&M will beat Texas.

 

[ftnfan62]

When you lose at home to shitty abysmal Northern Illinois and never ever mention the loss as a factor in ranking the top 5, you should not be taken seriously.

I would rank Penn State above Notre Dame.

ND is not playing PSU. ND, with a USC win, will be a 5 or 6 seed playing SMU or Boise.

 

[ftnfan62]

Kentucky stinks
Auburn stinks
Miss state is awful
Florida is average

4 wins there

Then I think we go 2 and 2 like they did. Possibly 3 and 1 but we'll say 2.

That's why I would have Georgia also above PSU. I think Georgia is one of the 5 best teams in the country for sure

Don’t forget when / if you lose those 1 or 2, they don’t count because it’s the SEC. It only counts when you lose outside of the SEC. LOL

 

[christophero]

I'd gladly take Boise State or SMU at home.

 

[banmate6]

I'd gladly take Boise State or SMU at home.

I take nobody for granted, but this would be a very good outcome.

 

[mbd11]

Miami destroyed Florida by 24 at Florida. Do they get the credit for that?

Old Dominion lost by 4 at South Carolina

This overrating the SEC this year is just wild. They used to be by far the best conf in cfb. Now the gap is very small.

It's true that a lot of their "big wins" are against other SEC teams. That doesn't actually prove their strength vs other conferences.

Also, as for the Big Ten, Indiana going 10-1 so far could be a sign that they're very good. Or it could just be a sign that the rest of the Big Ten (outside of their top 4 teams) is very mediocre. We don't really know for sure at this point. The Playoff will show which conferences are actually the best.

 

[sjb75]

“At Kentucky
At Alabama
Auburn
Mississippi State
At Texas
Florida
At Mississippi
Tennessee”

ND beats all of them except Texas. That game is a toss up. The rest of that list is mostly average & definitely not the gauntlet that you and some here like to make it. Any list that has kentucky auburn miss st & even Florida on it isn’t a gauntlet by no stretch. Bama is down and has lost 3 games and ole miss is typical lane team, good offense, average at best defense, nothing special. Tenn is a good team, nothing great. Texas is the only one that we lose to, imo, and that’s a maybe.

Wow. So Notre Dame likely goes undefeated in the SEC. Good to know.

 

[IrishMike409]

I'd gladly take Boise State or SMU at home.

Then a nice 2nd round matchup on a neutral site v ACC or Big12.

 

[sjb75]

Then a nice 2nd round matchup on a neutral site v ACC or Big12.

Nostradamus is in this thread.

 

[Pennick4]

10-1.

But when you lose at home to Shitty Abysmal Northern Illinois, and you compare yourself to 10-1 Penn State, don’t whine if you are ranked one spot behind.

IMO the loss was that egregiously bad.

I didn't know NIU beat ND.

 

[Patrish]

This is the Georgia schedule. The SEC gap is small until you play this schedule. How many games would Notre Dame win?

At Kentucky
At Alabama
Auburn
Mississippi State
At Texas
Florida
At Mississippi
Tennessee

It’s a valid question

 

[IrishMike409]

Nostradamus is in this thread.

I've been hoping for those matchups for several weeks. There's a good chance it shakes out that way.

Have to win next week in LA. Are you by chance going?

 

[Chitown11]

ND might be able to hang with favored Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, and Georgia to beat them.

ND can hang with the rest of a tight pack, as others have described it, to be 50:50.

I saw the Wisconsin and Oregon game. Just like with ND, take it in holistic across the season context. Oregon pulled it out when they were lackluster...and have hit heights and consistency in a tough schedule ND hasn't.

And even with Georgia, play their schedule. You seem to think the SEC has severely declined, but I disagree. Any team would find it tough to play Florida and South Carolina in their homes...teams capable of a surge game to beat other decent teams.

All good, everybody has their opinion. I tune my based on these discussions. I posted overall where I stand. A top 4 with a tight pack after that...where ND is fully justified.

ND has a great defense. They can "hang" against anybody

 

[Chitown11]

lol also the CFP committee rankings is also subjective. 😂 you're a tool.

Another subjective poll just released. The coaches poll has PSU 4, ND 5.

ND wins 7-10 times

 

[Chitown11]

This is the Georgia schedule. The SEC gap is small until you play this schedule. How many games would Notre Dame win?

At Kentucky
At Alabama
Auburn
Mississippi State
At Texas
Florida
At Mississippi
Tennessee

All of em

 

[NDinNJ]

ND wins 7-10 times

I agree, ND is the better team, but unfortunately based on tue cfp criteria, PSU will get the edge in the rankings

 

[Fightingirish595]

10-1.

But when you lose at home to Shitty Abysmal Northern Illinois, and you compare yourself to 10-1 Penn State, don’t whine if you are ranked one spot behind.

IMO the loss was that egregiously bad.

It was but it was the 2nd game of the season.

 

[raulduke_007]

I agree, ND is the better team, but unfortunately based on tue cfp criteria, PSU will get the edge in the rankings

Exactly what is the criteria?
PSU best win is a 14 victory at home vs Illinois who need ot to beat Purdue & Nebraska and a hail mary to beat Rutgers.
PSU struggled with Bowling Green
PSU struggled with 6-5 USC
PSU struggled with 5-6 Wisconsin
PSU struggled with 6-5 Minnesota

Best win is 35-6 vs 6-5 Washington.
It seems their best argument is they lost to OSU at home by 7.

 

[NDinNJ]

Irish up to 5 in ap poll.

Bama at 12 is bs.

Alabama at #12 with 3 losses is complete BS. Again it's a meaningless. poll, because the only ranking that matters is the CFP.

I believe PSU remains ahead of ND in the rankings if they both win this coming week. Their tie breaking criteria with records being the same at 11-1
1. strength of schedule: advantage PSU
2. head to head: N/A
3. results over common opponents without incenting margin of victory: Equal, they both won against common opponents.

I believe ND is the better team, but CFP will keep PSU ranked ahead of ND based on the criteria above.