Ian Book gets far to much criticism on here, yeah he's not Trevor Lawrence but there are at least 5 other problems that need to be addressed before we put the blame on Book.
BK and the QB.....why. It must be asked.
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Nothing at this point. Book going forward. It should have been Jurkovich had the eligibility rotation been handled properly (Book last eligible year should've been 2019)
The thing is I'm afraid to say....I believe this is as good as it will ever get with BK.
We get in those huge moments that we used to look forward to. Going to a Georgia or Ann Arbor game and send all their fans home disappointed. we used to relish those moments. Now we look like deer in headlights just pinch me happy to be there look.
This is after all Notre Dame and our best at present isn't anywhere near the level of the best in football.
It could be....but it's not even close.
Some of y'all want to excuse everything but the main problem. The coach. He's the manager of the product on display.
Fair coaches once in a while get a little piece of the sun pulling off a huge upset victory.
Not Brian Kelly. He's perfect. Perfectly winless in those moments in his entire career dating back to Cinci.
Not one single top 5 victory.
That's really damn incredible if you think about it. In present day college football where everyone scores points. Not one top 5 win. Truly amazing...and embarrassing
LOL...
Keep falling on the sword.
How many of the 33 were we supposed to win? All of them?
How many of the 6 were we not supposed to win? All of them?
Sounds to me like BK is doing the bare minimum of his job requirement and nothing more whatsoever.
By what metrics did you determine that Jurkovich is a better QB than Book ?
Do you realize how difficult it is to win a football game ?
So you don’t want Book and Kelly, so who do you want to replace them ?
There is no crystal ball. Evidence is this... Book has limited arm strength and bails on a play way too soon when the pocket is collapsing.
He's not looking to extend a play for a big gain but rather looking to escape and save life and limb.
That's a slight exaggeration but not by much.
When we play the elites they are going to come at us full throttle.
It's not if pressure but how much. We need someone to hang in there...allow the play to develop. It might mean one second longer and taking a big hit but also resulting in a long scoring play.
Book does NOT do this. Phil? We don't know but we know Book won't. We also know his arm limitations.
BK cripples the QB position. The offense is extremely predictable and lethargic. Other teams try to score 50 by half. We're happy getting 32 points for the game.
“He's not looking to extend a play for a big gain but rather looking to escape and save life and limb.
That's a slight exaggeration but not by much.
When we play the elites they are going to come at us full throttle.
It's not if pressure but how much. We need someone to hang in there...allow the play to develop. It might mean one second longer and taking a big hit but also resulting in a long scoring play.
Book does NOT do this. Phil? We don't know but we know Book won't. We also know his arm limitations.“
More BS coward talk. And yet no one in the country threw more TDs vs the blitz last year. And no one is even close in qb rating during the 4th qtr over the past two seasons. So whatever book has done has led us to our highest scoring output for a single year & two year stint. Not sure why you and others expect a barely 6-0 qb to play like a prototype dropback 6-5 player would. W/ that said, I think Phil can be a good player and wasn’t happy that he decided to move on. He’s one play away from playing this season and would be in a great position to start for at least one, maybe two years.
That's a slight exaggeration but not by much.
When we play the elites they are going to come at us full throttle.
It's not if pressure but how much. We need someone to hang in there...allow the play to develop. It might mean one second longer and taking a big hit but also resulting in a long scoring play.
Book does NOT do this. Phil? We don't know but we know Book won't. We also know his arm limitations.“
More BS coward talk. And yet no one in the country threw more TDs vs the blitz last year. And no one is even close in qb rating during the 4th qtr over the past two seasons. So whatever book has done has led us to our highest scoring output for a single year & two year stint. Not sure why you and others expect a barely 6-0 qb to play like a prototype dropback 6-5 player would. W/ that said, I think Phil can be a good player and wasn’t happy that he decided to move on. He’s one play away from playing this season and would be in a great position to start for at least one, maybe two years.
You can dissect that and find some bizarre stat to rally around but the fact remains....
How did Book do vs. Clemson, UGA and UM?
Those were the 3 toughest opponents he's ever had to face.
What you and the other defendORS of the one they call BK fail to acknowledge is this...
This isn't just a QB problem...this a team wide problem. Two years ago it was clear one person really looked like he belonged on defense. Alohi. He played like a maniac against Clemson. Sure he got beat on some passes (possibly missed assignment by the corner) but on run plays he was trying to kill the ball carriers. Flying around with a purpose of inflicting pain.
The rest were still thinking of the Dallas Hotel decorated for their arrival.
Sadly it's kind of like this...it's not on Book exactly but who Book is playing under the guidance of.
We either need a QB so good that can overcome the ill fated teachings, scheme and zombified motivation of BK or we need a coach who can get more out of the team by coaching them up.
We have a coach that doesn't get the players to rise up and overachieve and we certainly aren't getting players so good to overcome the lack aforementioned.
We beat the weak and lose to the strong. It's already bern written.
“You can dissect that and find some bizarre stat to rally around but the fact remains....
How did Book do vs. Clemson, UGA and UM?
Those were the 3 toughest opponents he's ever had to face.”
Bizarre stat? TDs vs the blitz and 4th qtr passer ratings are bizarre stats? Lol.
As for how he did against the three you mentioned? He, himself, didn’t play nearly as bad as the score indicated or you bashers make it against Clemson and had to endure loads of drops and no running game at all in that game. He played well against Georgia, well enough to win. And against Michigan, he sucked, but that was directly related to the weather and the fact that, again, we couldn’t run the ball (same as Georgia game, btw) & Michigan ran all over us and protected the ball most of the game.
How did Book do vs. Clemson, UGA and UM?
Those were the 3 toughest opponents he's ever had to face.”
Bizarre stat? TDs vs the blitz and 4th qtr passer ratings are bizarre stats? Lol.
As for how he did against the three you mentioned? He, himself, didn’t play nearly as bad as the score indicated or you bashers make it against Clemson and had to endure loads of drops and no running game at all in that game. He played well against Georgia, well enough to win. And against Michigan, he sucked, but that was directly related to the weather and the fact that, again, we couldn’t run the ball (same as Georgia game, btw) & Michigan ran all over us and protected the ball most of the game.
“What you and the other defendORS of the one they call BK fail to acknowledge is this“
Don’t lump me in w/ the Kelly can do no wrong crowd. I’m strictly talking about book’s play. You said this isn’t just a qb problem, I disagree w/ the premise that we have a qb “problem”. We have one of the best in the country, it’s not a “problem”, more of a strength, imho.
Don’t lump me in w/ the Kelly can do no wrong crowd. I’m strictly talking about book’s play. You said this isn’t just a qb problem, I disagree w/ the premise that we have a qb “problem”. We have one of the best in the country, it’s not a “problem”, more of a strength, imho.
You do realize that the ball should be released in three (3) seconds or earlier, don’t you ?
If any QB holds the ball longer bad things begin to happen.
if your OLine doesn’t provide protection, then what.
If your primary receiver is running a slant and he’s open, should Book NOT throw to him on the chance that a deep receiver might break open ?
Did BK cripple Kizer ?
Seems to me that he hit a lot of deep balls, but then again, Will Fuller was a starting NFL receiver with exceptional speed.
What ND receiver is equal to Fuller ?
Book did well against Georgia, and considering all of the dropped passes did very well against Clemson. Michigan, you have to be kidding, he was playing in a monsoon.
“If any QB holds the ball longer bad things begin to happen.”
Excellent point. Some here seem to think that holding onto it equals a big play all the time. It doesn’t. I’m not saying that he hasn’t left some big plays out there, he has, but so do most to some degree. Ask uva fans if they think Perkins should’ve tucked it and ran against us a few more times, see what they say.
Excellent point. Some here seem to think that holding onto it equals a big play all the time. It doesn’t. I’m not saying that he hasn’t left some big plays out there, he has, but so do most to some degree. Ask uva fans if they think Perkins should’ve tucked it and ran against us a few more times, see what they say.
If your primary receiver is open of course you throw him the ball as that was the play call. If your primary receiver is running a deep route the QB does need to exercise pocket presence and patience in letting said route develop. Book was better at that the last 6 games of 2019. I expect that trend to continue. It was definitely an issue for him.
If your primary receiver is on a deep route than the OLine has to provide the extra time.
And, it always helps if the defense has to be concerned about an efficient running game.
Exactly. If Book had the talent around him that Trevor Lawrence does or Justin Fields, no one would be complaining about him. Brian Kelly's biggest failure with the quarterbacks he has had here has been his inability to put first-round, game-breaking talent around them at the running back and wide receiver positions. Yes, there have been good tight ends and yes Chase Claypool was a second rounder, but if you want to win a playoff game and possibly a national championship, you have to have top talent at the skill positions. Notre Dame does not have first round talent and has not had first round talent at those positions on a consistent basis since Kelly arrived. Get that talent and you win and no one complains about the quarterback play. Book isn't a miracle worker. A little help for him at the skill positions would go a long way. As good as Buchner is supposed to be coming in, if he's not surrounded by the same kind of talent as he possesses, he won't fare much better.
Disagree totally. Qb has been the bigger problem.
Fuller, Floyd, Claypool, Eq, Boykin Tj Jones, Stepherson, Gray, Wood, Riddick, Dexter, Adams, Prosise, Eifert, Rudolph, Niklas, Kmet, Smythe, Koyack.
We've had plenty of talent surrounding the QB. Thats not even including a bunch of very good to great OLs. Martin Stanley Watt Martin Nelson Mcglinchey etc etc.
Theres been plenty of talent at every position on offense. QB has been the biggest weakness
1. Kelly has completed 10 seasons as HC, not 12
2. We had some Not just good OL. We've had great OL. All pros and pro bowlers. 3 potential HOFers. To go with other really good players who played in the nfl (trevor robinson, Bars) and others (mustipher) who will be playing. And future nfl players (Eichenberg, Kraemer, Hainsey) and probably nfl players (Banks, Lugg, Patterson).
3. We've had plenty of good to great OLs. We've had good to great TEs. We've had good to great RBs and WRs.
4. QB has been by far the weakest area of the offense in the BK era.
QB play has been average. The larger issue as of late was play calling. I thought Long was as overrated as they get in terms of play calling. Recruiting however, I do miss his influence their.
I would use the word average too. Average at QB isnt good enough. We have had the talent elsewhere on the offense to win big bowl games and maybe a playoff game. We need better QB play
you are spot on. Especially without a solid RB to lean on. Makes ND extremely one dimensional.
I would take three seconds all day long. The problem is this...we rely ridiculously way too much on the 3 yard curl and sit down route.
WE ALLOW THE DEFENSE TO PLAY ON THEIR TOES AND DOWNHILL AGAINST US.
Please follow along...I've clearly stated that Book abandons the pocket prematurely far too often and when he does he does one thing. Tucks the ball and tries to get what he can get.
That is fine once in a while but it would probably cause some fainting if he...god forbid...extended the play by feeling his way amid the pocket and buying some extra time. Extending the play to try and get a big play. The defense can only cover for so long no matter how bad our 40 times might be. It is ok to make a lateral move out of the pocket if needed constantly looking downfield.
Let's look at what that would do. If he's constantly looking down field for a big play he is going to hit some of those receivers for massive gains or scores. Not always but it will start to click for him. You know what that REALLY does? It backs the defense the hell off and makes them alert to the big play and nobody behind you mentality. In other words the D now is playing even footed and or possibly on their heels a bit in fear of the big play. Guess what that also helps??? The running game. It keeps the safeties playing honest instead of jumping up so hard on every play. It keeps the nickel backers playing more honest instead of playing so aggressive against us.
You must get down field passing present day in college football if you want to win with the big boys. Crossing routes that go for 50 yards. A quick slant hit in stride that goes for 45 yards and a score. How about buying time and the receiver alters his route and gets behind the secondary? You can bet the next time Book scrambles looking downfield the D will play that more honest. If he tucks it now it will be a bigger gain that before. WHY? He not only showed the threat of passing over the top but he completed some for some big scores. Respect on the field opens everything up.
As is now we don't deserve any respect from the elites becasue we haven't earned any of it.
It's robotic lethargic offensive football and very easy to defend. Predictable and running plays with an afraid to fail mindset. If you're afraid of failure you'll never succeed.
I've been saying for a while now we have no game breakers and not enough of them. When we do BK won't allow them to participate until they are in the 6th year of eligibility. Amazing how the other teams who everyone cries foul about with prettier recruits and a much better depth chart than us....it's truly amazing how they get their best athletes on the field instantly. Perhaps not starting but they are playing in key situations. US???? NOPE! NOT READY. Says who? BK!
If you were an incredible athlete why the hell would you play for BK. You won't sniff the field until you are drinking age.
Notice how on defense we play frosh all the time. Guess who is not involved with the D. BK. Guess who is involved with the offense? BK. Guess who doesn't play athletic freshmen enough? The offense. Run by who? BK!
Fools gold my friend. Fools gold.
88ND,
YOUR PREMISE ABOUT THE 3 YARD CURL IS DEAD WRONG.
THE PROOF THAT ITS WRONG IS THE YARDS PEF ATTEMPT STAT.
BOOK’S YPA IS 7.6 yards per ATTEMPT, NOT PER COMPLETION, BUT PER ATTEMPT.
YOU’RE OFF BASE ON THIS ONE !
YOUR PREMISE ABOUT THE 3 YARD CURL IS DEAD WRONG.
THE PROOF THAT ITS WRONG IS THE YARDS PEF ATTEMPT STAT.
BOOK’S YPA IS 7.6 yards per ATTEMPT, NOT PER COMPLETION, BUT PER ATTEMPT.
YOU’RE OFF BASE ON THIS ONE !
For god sake you can't tell I'm just slightly exaggerating....but in the biggest of games rewatch them and tell me how many how many long completions we have vs the short curl route caught and immediately tackled for a 3,4,5 yard gain.
It's so lopsided it's a joke.
Afraid to fail. Playing offense timid and tentative.
You can't see that?
Once again you’re wrong.
You can’t get tackled for 3, 4 and 5 yard gains with a 12.6 yard YPC stat.
Book’s yards gained per catch is 12.6 yards.
Now that’s an average, so you may want to reconsider your position.
Don’t also forget that Book runs the plays that are called
Thank you for solidifying the perception of the afraid of failure offense we run.
You lift up every stone and rock trying to get any little morsel of a stat to say no, no...you're wrong.
Just look at Book's ypc after 5:15 p.m. when a strong side blitz is coming whist his left shoe lace tag end us longer than the right shoe.
But wait....
Then you finish it all up with saying Book is only running the plays that are being called.
Oooookkkkkk then....so you recognize there is an issue with downfield passing since you feel the need to state that Book is only running the plays being called.
In other words it's not Book's fault since he's doing such an amazing job when the lights turn on and with humidity over 64 percent but any shortcoming going on with the offense is the play that's being called.
Let's pray to the gods of message boards you start following along here.
BK is a problem? Yep. I've stated that long ago.
BK is involved with the offense? Yes. I've stated the best thing he could do is leave the offense and especially the QB alone.
Throw out the little caveats you dig up to defend this lethargic offense a second and just use the eye test.
The goal is to play football with the elites....correct?
Yes. So while you're watching our game why whomever you're treated to highlights of other top teams around the country with the halftime highlight show or game breaks during our game.
What do you see? I'll tell you what I see. Big plays. Long passes for scores or short passes caught in stride taken for a huge gain or score. Bama, Clemson, OSU are the usual suspects you see with these big plays.
Big plays that look nothing whatsoever like our big plays....because we don't really have any.
It's the exact reason we struggle to score 35 points for the game while the aforementioned are nearing 35 at the half. (Or more)
They're excited, enthusiastic and playing like the next guy up wants the next score. They hustle. They hurry.
We on the other hand look like robots running on low battery power. We look lethargic and lazy. As if we don't care what is going on. Like it's a huge pain in the ass to line up again and run another play.
Let's say you're a Clemson or OSU fan and they show you our highlights. Do we look anything remotely close to having big plays like what those fans are seeing weekly?
That's funny actually. We look NOTHING like they do.
You can dissect and defend all you want but the fact remains we struggle to get points in the biggest of games. No matter the specific cause it's wrong. It's just wrong.
More drivel from the BBC. We were in the top 12 or 13 in scoring last year. We scored more points than any other ND team for a two year stint. Some people expect perfection from every facet of an offense, that’s not realistic. W/ that said, I think, unfortunately, our playcalling sometimes plays to our strengths too much (defense & ball control passing game). We’re not a perfect offense overall and have been bad in a couple big games, but to pin all the blame on book is stupid. How’d our defense do against Clemson & Michigan? A tale of two different types of beatings there. One was Clemson where they needed (& got) the big play, and one was Michigan where they wore us out w/ the running game. Neither games were stellar for the defense. I get that the offense didn’t give them a breather but we can’t deny that the defense didn’t perform those two games. As for Georgia, they showed up on defense and on offense we moved the ball well against a good defense and had a crushing fluke INT that didn’t help matters, and still nearly beat a top 5 or 10 team on the road. Nothing to hang your head or your hat on I guess. Bottom line, some of you want the qb to be perfect in every facet of the game and to me, that’s unreasonable. Some of you ignore the fact that in those games mentioned, there was no semblance of a running game. Lots of reasons why we haven’t shown up in the big games, and overall it’s less about the qb and more about other factors, IMO.
Thank you for solidifying the perception of the afraid of failure offense we run.
You lift up every stone and rock trying to get any little morsel of a stat to say no, no...you're wrong.
Just look at Book's ypc after 5:15 p.m. when a strong side blitz is coming whist his left shoe lace tag end us longer than the right shoe.
But wait....
Then you finish it all up with saying Book is only running the plays that are being called.
Oooookkkkkk then....so you recognize there is an issue with downfield passing since you feel the need to state that Book is only running the plays being called.
In other words it's not Book's fault since he's doing such an amazing job when the lights turn on and with humidity over 64 percent but any shortcoming going on with the offense is the play that's being called.
Let's pray to the gods of message boards you start following along here.
BK is a problem? Yep. I've stated that long ago.
BK is involved with the offense? Yes. I've stated the best thing he could do is leave the offense and especially the QB alone.
Throw out the little caveats you dig up to defend this lethargic offense a second and just use the eye test.
The goal is to play football with the elites....correct?
Yes. So while you're watching our game why whomever you're treated to highlights of other top teams around the country with the halftime highlight show or game breaks during our game.
What do you see? I'll tell you what I see. Big plays. Long passes for scores or short passes caught in stride taken for a huge gain or score. Bama, Clemson, OSU are the usual suspects you see with these big plays.
Big plays that look nothing whatsoever like our big plays....because we don't really have any.
It's the exact reason we struggle to score 35 points for the game while the aforementioned are nearing 35 at the half. (Or more)
They're excited, enthusiastic and playing like the next guy up wants the next score. They hustle. They hurry.
We on the other hand look like robots running on low battery power. We look lethargic and lazy. As if we don't care what is going on. Like it's a huge pain in the ass to line up again and run another play.
Let's say you're a Clemson or OSU fan and they show you our highlights. Do we look anything remotely close to having big plays like what those fans are seeing weekly?
That's funny actually. We look NOTHING like they do.
You can dissect and defend all you want but the fact remains we struggle to get points in the biggest of games. No matter the specific cause it's wrong. It's just wrong.
I didn’t say there was a problem with downfield passing, you did.
Perhaps your view of a passing game differs from others.
Take a look at NCAA and NFL CP and YPA stats
I think they’ll give you a better feel for the reality of passing games.
Look at those same stats for Tom Brady and the Patriots and see how they compare to Books.
Look at Brady’s YPA and YPC stats
They’re lower than Book’s
I’m puzzled as to what the issue is.
Here are the Heisman Winners since Kelly arrived in South Bend:
Cam Newton
Robert Griffin III
Johnny Manziel
Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota
Derrick Henry (the lone non-QB)
Lamar Jackson
Baker Mayfield
Kyler Murray
Joe Burrow
And this year, you have the kids from Clemson and Ohio State. Assuming there is a THIS YEAR.
Has Kelly recruited even ONE QB of this ILK?
No. Zero.
So, what does one expect when the careers of Kelly’s QB’s bear no MEANINGFUL RESEMBLANCE to those of these Heisman winners?
And it’s not about playing them too soon or too late or “NOT COACHING THEM UP PROPERLY.” All of that may have its place, but even under the MOST OPTIMAL circumstances, ND does not feature the PREMIER PRODUCT. It simply CAN’T ACQUIRE IT. And if it can, why hasn’t it?
In the 28 years between 1964 and 1992, ND had SIX AA QB’s:
Huarte – AA/Heisman/CHOF.
Hanratty – AA twice/Baugh Award the year he was NOT an AA. Finished 8th, 10th and 3rd for the Heisman.
Theismann – AA/CHOF/2nd for the Heisman.
Clements – AA/4th for the Heisman.
Rice – AA/Unitas Award/4th for the Heisman.
Mirer – AA
Oh, and Joe Montana was a mere AA honorable mention, and nowhere to be seen in the Heisman vote.
In contrast, in the 28 years between 1992 and today, ND has had two AA QB’s:
Quinn – AA twice/Unitas, Maxwell and Baugh awards/4th and 3rd for the Heisman.
Clausen – AA.
Where, I ask, is the comparison?
Plus, it’s been 15 YEARS since Brady Quinn and 10 since Clausen.
I mean, you can’t put lipstick on a pig or even eyeliner or foundation makeup to make it a Heisman contender.
WHAT YOU SEE FROM ND’S QB’S IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY’RE CAPABLE OF. Certainly, NONE would have beaten out any of the most recent Heisman winners listed above. The RAW TALENT wasn’t comparable.
Since Holtz left, ND has had four REASONABLY TALENTED QB’s: Jackson, Quinn, Clausen and Kizer. And none won a Heisman, Quinn coming closest. Book should join this group, but it’s extremely unlikely he’ll win a Heisman either.
We’re not operating in the same talent pool, and all of the tweaking, better play-calling, better game-day prep or whatever -- can never, ON ITS OWN, bridge that GAP.
And Tyler Buchner isn’t likely to win a Heisman either. He’s in the lower third of the elite class, and though he may do well, no one is counting on him as the next Trevor Lawrence. At least, I hope no one is, including those inclined to view fantasies, at times, as plausible.
People should relax, and let ND fight with the army it has. It’s a solid Turkish-level army. But it isn’t the US military or that of China or North Korea. I mean, why expect non-existent firepower?
ND may never again win an NC without a GREAT QB around which to constellate a great team. But, then, that guy is apparently not coming anyway. As is clear to everyone, there are greener pastures elsewhere.
Year after year after year after year. As in Newton to Mariota to Burrow.
Because, if there isn’t the same level of supporting cast at ND as at the Heisman winner schools, no number one QB prospect will be interested in betting his future on ND. Why would he? It’s clear where the template works, and it’s not at ND, which, as per QB’s, is now a legacy program.
ND scored a lot of points w/ their “non-existent firepower” qb & the rest of their “Turkish level” offense last year in virtually every game but a monsoon, so the incessant ripping into our offense by some on this board is overplayed, imho. As for book’s heisman odds, I have no idea what they are, but I would imagine his name is in the discussion, don’t know how that translates to being “extremely unlikely”.
4-4-3,
How many of the Heisman winners you listed could gain admission to Notre Dame, academically ?
And if they couldn’t meet Notre Dame’s admission standards, why is that Kelly’s fault ?
Other than Mariota, they all seem to be from southern, warm weather colleges.
How many of the Heisman winners you listed could gain admission to Notre Dame, academically ?
And if they couldn’t meet Notre Dame’s admission standards, why is that Kelly’s fault ?
Other than Mariota, they all seem to be from southern, warm weather colleges.
I'm not blaming Kelly. I'm saying that he hasn't recruited the kind of QB who wins you an NC. But I don't think it's his fault. He only has so much to work with. And, yes, ND's mission isn't set up to accept those kinds of QB's.
Nor in many cases do they even wish to come.
Given this, I simply don't get the gnashing of teeth over ND's failure to recruit the best QB's and/or Kelly's inability to sufficiently develop them. If you're going to tie one had behind your back when recruiting, then you must live with it, right?
I mean, how can you blame yourself for failing to achieve the highest level of QB play when you, yourself, have precluded those who might deliver that level of play from consideration.
That's pure stupidity.
Or put another way:
ND doesn't recruit top of the line QB's as most won't get in, but then its fans act flabbergasted that the QB's ND does get never quite get it done or fail to reach the same pinnacle of success as those southern -- non-ND-material -- boys do.
Are ND fans simply unable to see the utter lack of logic in beating up Kelly and his QB's over this?
Or is the self-flagellation and caterwauling meant to propitiate the gods into sending a 140 IQ clone of Trevor Lawrence to South Bend one day? And, of course, he'd be some version a dual chem engineering/pre-law major to boot.
I mean, is that the HOPIUM game we're playing?
ND is what it is and, over the last 10 years, its QB's have been anything but Heisman winners.
Full stop.
More blowhard think they know it all BS from the biggest gasbag on the board. Book’s good enough to win a title. It’s not all on the qb, and your long winded drivel makes it sound as if we’re light years away when this particular qb has led us to an undefeated regular season & a playoff, and an 11-2 season where the only losses were narrowly on the road against a legit Title contender and the other in a monsoon that directly affected ND’s offense to a much much higher degree than it did Michigan’s. But continue to bloviate, we know you love to hear yourself speak. Go hug a Chinese tank, maybe it’ll make you feel better that we have “Turkish level” talent.
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