2018 returning starters
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8-9 on offense
Losing LT and LG for sure. Center and RG will be eligible for 5th year.
9-10 defense
Maybe Jim will stop having Michigan players think they are better than what they really are. He is the most overpaid coach in the nation. No way Michigan should have been ranked in the top 10 or 15 to start 2017. Jim is supposed be this QB guru but has proven he cannot develop a QB. That's why he chases other teams 5th year seniors.
Very true on the preseason ranking, loosing 10 on defense was going to be a challenge. The defense does well and the offense never clicks and we go with our 3rd string QB.
Good luck in your bowl game.
Any ND fan who keeps putting Harbaugh down is just plain stupid. Harbaugh will definitely beat Kelly next year. Absolutely no doubt about it. Any negative comments just add fuel to the fire. Both teams have similar talent which means we will lose by 2 to 4 touchdowns. It is tough for any coach to consistently land difference makers with more and more quality coaches and teams emerging. Kelly is not in the same class of coach as Meyer or Harbaugh.
You are nuts. Harbough has won absolutely jack as a coach. He's close to career .500,. David Shaw has demonstrated that his one good year at Stanford was not due to Harbough. He has never won a division much less a conference title... Oh yeah and he's a journeyman with no demonstrated results over time. He's nothing but a good pop for recruiting and funding.
Kelly at least won at a lower division and has sustained a program. Harbough nope.
Meyer is in a different class.
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Harbaughs resume as a college coach is nothing special. Kelly has certainly achieved more as a college coach.
Not saying I agree or disagree, but what made you jump all over Harbaugh after someone asks a question about returning starters?
Meyer or “Harbaugh??” Uhhhh, wow.....sorry, couldn’t disagree more. You can say Meyer and have an argument, although as pointed out a hundred different times over the years, he passed on Notre Dame because he knew he couldn’t ever recruit here the athletes he could at OSU. Obviously don’t know the answer as to what Meyer could or would have done here with the same rosters BK has had....but then again, who knows what BK does with OSU’s rosters,...
But Harbaugh has underachieved at Michigan by almost any measurement.
Kelly at ND: 68-34 .666 winning percentage
Harbaugh at Michigan: 28-10 .736 winning percentage
102 games to 38. I think harbaugh is a good coach, not a great one. Minimal accomplishments at the collegiate level. Currently Urban Meyers often beat up little brother.
If Michigan werent on the schedule next year, I wouldnt post on this topic. But please lets not give UM any bulletin board material. We have our own problems to work out.
OP asks about ND returning starters in '18 and somehow this turns into yet another thread about Jim Harbaugh. LMFAO. You guys are absolutely obsessed with the guy!
Laughable that anyone compares Kelly to Harbaugh as a D1 Coach. Harbaugh won an Orange Bowl at Stanford and a Capital One Bowl at Michigan in very short order. Kelly has never won any meaningful bowl game while at ND. Never, ever. You guys are going on 9,000 days without a January 1 Bowl win and you have the audacity to disparage any head coach? Get a hold of yourself fergodsake and win something beside the Music City Bowl before you run your collective pie holes.
Laughable that anyone compares Kelly to Harbaugh as a D1 Coach. Harbaugh won an Orange Bowl at Stanford and a Capital One Bowl at Michigan in very short order. Kelly has never won any meaningful bowl game while at ND. Never, ever. You guys are going on 9,000 days without a January 1 Bowl win and you have the audacity to disparage any head coach? Get a hold of yourself fergodsake and win something beside the Music City Bowl before you run your collective pie holes.
true. And Notre Dame has never, ever, ever defeated Ohio State in the modern era of college football. 0-5 I believe. lol
if a bowl isn't played on Jan 1st it doesn't mean anything to you ? thats dumb. caliber of opponent is much more important to me than than the date and location of the game. Harbaugh has done little as a college coach. no championships anywhere he's coached. has not made it to a national championship game. i'd take losing a national championship game over winning a bowl game that means nothing in the big picture. making the natty game and losing is a bigger accomplishment than anything harbaugh has done at the collegiate level. he's better suited for the nfl. likely on his way to Indy.
define modern era ? how many national championships for little blue in that era ?
Yeah, but Michigan is 1-5 versus those teams in THREE seasons, not in modern history.
IIO is probably the best to run the lineup, but what-the-heck, I'll give it a shot. YOLO right??
*Indicates returning starter
*?Indicates returning starter who may turn pro
#Indicates returning rotational player
???Indicates a Who-Knows
OFFENSE
Quarterback
* B. Wimbush
Running Back
*? J. Adams
# Dexter Williams
# Tony Jones Jr.
Outside Receivers
*? Equanimeous St. Brown
* Chase Claypool
# Miles Boykin
# Chris Finke
Slot Receivers
??? Kevin Stepherson
??? CJ Sanders
Tight End
??? Alize Mack
# Nic Weishar
# Brock Wright
# Cole Kmet
(am I understanding correctly that Smythe is out of eligibility?)
Tackle
* Tommy Kraemer
* Robert Hainsey
Guard
* Alex Bars
Center
* Sam Mustipher
Totals
6 definite returning starters
3 more possible returning starters
1-3 possible additional rotational players now as starters
DEFENSE
SDE
*? Jay Hayes
# Khalid Kareem
WDE/Drop End
* Daelin Hayes
* Julian Okwara
DT
* J. Bonner
# MTA
NG
*? J. Tillery
# K. Hinish
Rover
* D. Tranquill
Mike LB
None
Buck LB
*? Te'von Coney
CB (Field and boundary)
* Nick Watkins
* Julian Love
*# Shaun Crawford (Nickel)
# Donte Vaughn
Safety
* Nick Coleman
* Alohi Gilman
* Jalen Elliott
# Devin Studstill
Totals
7 Definite Returning Starters
3 More possible returning starters
1-2 possible additional rotational players as starters
None of this takes into account the incoming freshmen who could step into starting roles. I may have the numbers off, but heck, I gave it a shot.
*Indicates returning starter
*?Indicates returning starter who may turn pro
#Indicates returning rotational player
???Indicates a Who-Knows
OFFENSE
Quarterback
* B. Wimbush
Running Back
*? J. Adams
# Dexter Williams
# Tony Jones Jr.
Outside Receivers
*? Equanimeous St. Brown
* Chase Claypool
# Miles Boykin
# Chris Finke
Slot Receivers
??? Kevin Stepherson
??? CJ Sanders
Tight End
??? Alize Mack
# Nic Weishar
# Brock Wright
# Cole Kmet
(am I understanding correctly that Smythe is out of eligibility?)
Tackle
* Tommy Kraemer
* Robert Hainsey
Guard
* Alex Bars
Center
* Sam Mustipher
Totals
6 definite returning starters
3 more possible returning starters
1-3 possible additional rotational players now as starters
DEFENSE
SDE
*? Jay Hayes
# Khalid Kareem
WDE/Drop End
* Daelin Hayes
* Julian Okwara
DT
* J. Bonner
# MTA
NG
*? J. Tillery
# K. Hinish
Rover
* D. Tranquill
Mike LB
None
Buck LB
*? Te'von Coney
CB (Field and boundary)
* Nick Watkins
* Julian Love
*# Shaun Crawford (Nickel)
# Donte Vaughn
Safety
* Nick Coleman
* Alohi Gilman
* Jalen Elliott
# Devin Studstill
Totals
7 Definite Returning Starters
3 More possible returning starters
1-2 possible additional rotational players as starters
None of this takes into account the incoming freshmen who could step into starting roles. I may have the numbers off, but heck, I gave it a shot.
I highly doubt Stepherson is a "who knows". I think we know.
Yeah...I really was conflicted on how to put him even though we all know how it'll play out with him.
I notice you left out Mich St that ND plays regularly & and beats more than not. How about Harbaugh agsinst MSU? Lol
And your stat above is wrong...
And Harbaugh was the highest paid coach, now third, but makes 2.5 times as much as Kelly with limited to zero restrictions unlike Kelly.
And once again, you can’t come on a ND board constantly & tell ND fans they are obsessed with something ...HYPOCRITE.
Lol
First of all, I am NOT a Kelly fan. That being said, Harbaugh is NOT a better coach than Kelly. It is not just about wins and loses. The 49ers ran Jim out off town. NFL owners and NFL top brass do not run elite top coaches out of town. Jim is not worth the drama he brings to programs.
Jim has done nothing in college that Kelly has not done. Jim is 0-3 against Meyer and 1-2 against Dantonio.
Never put Jim in the same sentence has Meyer. Meyer went 12-0 his first year at OS. Then won a championship his second year. He has what three championships? Look at what Kelly and Jim did in their third year!
I live in Michigan. Less than an hour from Ann Arbor. All I hear around here is how great JH is and how many championships he will bring Michigan. When I see a post from a MSU fan or a Wolverine, I pounce.
Jim is all hype no coaching! In this debate, Let's go strictly off of the Jimmy H. that is currently at Michigan. He has as many conference championships as I do, ZERO!
He has beat OSU how many times???
MSU? One time.
Started the season top ten, currently not even in the top 25. What was Kelly doing at ND his third year? What did Meyer do his second year? After three years, Michigan fans expected a lot more.
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Nobody knows exactly how much Kelly makes. My guess is in the $5 million range, but nobody knows for sure.
40% of $7 million would be $2.8 million, and there's no way Kelly makes that little.
I would say Josh Adams is gone also. Gotta strike when the irons hot. Also losing two main cogs on the O-Line
ND insiders say he's gone. His Mom is non committal about her son's future. Josh is supposedly focused on the bowl game and is injury free. The university, the program, need a hundred more Josh Adams.
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