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[chaseball]

You’re a pussy!! Keep posting Chase, agree or disagree with your thoughts it adds a different point of view which I think many welcome. The whining , insufferable, kool-aid drinking crybabies on this board is disgraceful. Grown men who lack the intestinal fortitude to hear an alternative narrative about something as meaningless as a college football team. It’s not life or death and a variety of opinions should be welcome.

agreed.

OSU defensive backfield was a liability

They held tons, gave up 2 TDs, and had all fo their penalties

They went into a prevent type of defense to keep everything in front of them and sacrificed yards in the passing game to keep the clock moving and missed on some open-filled tackles they make 99 times out of 100 going forward. When they went up by three touchdowns early in the third quarter there wasn't a single person on planet Earth who thought Notre Dame had any chance to win that game.. despite Notre Dame's multiple touchdowns in the third and fourth quarter to close out the game they were at no point greater than a 5% win probability during the entire second half of the game

It was a pretty dominant one-sided win I'm part of OSU not to the same extent as the Alabama 2012 game but dominant one-sided victory on part of OSU nonetheless

 

[theskibro]

I'm already looking to next year to make another run at the NC

QB - Carr
RB - Love
TE - Raridon
WR - Greathouse
WR - Faison
WR - Fields
LT - Lambert
LG - Schrauth
C - Craig
RG - Jagusah
RT - Wagner

DE - Traore
DE - Young
DT - Rubio
DT - Louisville kid name?
LB - KVA
LB - Sneed
CB - Moore
CB - Gray
NB - Smith
S - Shuler
S - Stroman

Talented squad. Hope guys come back healthy and we don't have any key transfers

A few comments. Raridon at TE could be an injury waiting to happen. Does Cooper Flanagan have eligibility? Does the new frosh from GREEN BAY - James Flanigan get pt? Gee, 2 flan(I or a) gans.

Linebackers I think is a rotation of the 2 u mention plus Bowen, the kid from Louisiana A——, and madden

O line -

I'm already looking to next year to make another run at the NC

QB - Carr
RB - Love
TE - Raridon
WR - Greathouse
WR - Faison
WR - Fields
LT - Lambert
LG - Schrauth
C - Craig
RG - Jagusah
RT - Wagner

DE - Traore
DE - Young
DT - Rubio
DT - Louisville kid name?
LB - KVA
LB - Sneed
CB - Moore
CB - Gray
NB - Smith
S - Shuler
S - Stroman

Talented squad. Hope guys come back healthy and we don't have any key transfers

I'm already looking to next year to make another run at the NC

QB - Carr
RB - Love
TE - Raridon
WR - Greathouse
WR - Faison
WR - Fields
LT - Lambert
LG - Schrauth
C - Craig
RG - Jagusah
RT - Wagner

DE - Traore
DE - Young
DT - Rubio
DT - Louisville kid name?
LB - KVA
LB - Sneed
CB - Moore
CB - Gray
NB - Smith
S - Shuler
S - Stroman

Talented squad. Hope guys come back healthy and we don't have any key transfers

A few comments. Raridon at TE could be an injury waiting to happen. Does Flanagan have eligibility? Does Flanagan get pt?

Linebackers I think is a rotation of the 2 u mention plus Bowen, the kid from Louisiana A——, and madden

O line - I think will black may get pt does spindler n Sam p become backups?

I think burgess gets pt

New kicker n punter?

 

[Get Nasty]

A few comments. Raridon at TE could be an injury waiting to happen. Does Flanagan have eligibility? Does Flanagan get pt?

Linebackers I think is a rotation of the 2 u mention plus Bowen, the kid from Louisiana A——, and madden

O line -


A few comments. Raridon at TE could be an injury waiting to happen. Does Flanagan have eligibility? Does Flanagan get pt?

Linebackers I think is a rotation of the 2 u mention plus Bowen, the kid from Louisiana A——, and madden

O line - I think will black may get pt does spindler n Sam p become backups?

I think burgess gets pt

New kicker n punter?

Yeah burgess could get pt if Burnham doesn’t improver or is needed at vyper

Burnham obviously isn’t it so he could lose snaps over time (he’s better than junior and oben, but that’s not saying much)

Burnham was a lb recruit that lost athleticism late in hs as he got bigger so he was projected as a vyoer, but he’s lost more athleticism getting up to 250lba moving him to sde. Not the path that works. Junior is similar. 2 highly rated recruits that were not good by the time they got to nd. It was obvious their senior season in HS. Bowen is similar, lost so much athleticism putting on weight as sr in hs.

 

[BGI User 756]

You are talking about NDs injuries in a silo (as if the other team was at 100% themselves). They too were playing their 16th game with a handful of their own starters & 2 deep guys out and/or limited

They weren't as banged up as ND but if you do the "if these guys were healthy" exercise you gotta give OSU their guys back too and then it might not have gone all that much differently

Not so fast my friend….

You keep glossing over this fact, and go to great lengths to avoid talking specifics….which is exactly opposite of your detailed arguments about F+, and about what the ND admin is doing wrong

Things that make you go hmmmm….

OSU is down 2 starters from their opening game, both on the OL. That is it. Comparatively, ND is down their starting center, starting LT, second team LT, starting G playing hurt on an ankle, both DEs, starting DT, other starting DT on a bum ankle, starting AA CB, starting RB on a bum knee, and injuries to the second LB rotation…

So NO, your intentional deflection on the injury comparisons is not accurate

 

[Golson5]

Yeah burgess could get pt if Burnham doesn’t improver or is needed at vyper

Burnham obviously isn’t it so he could lose snaps over time (he’s better than junior and oben, but that’s not saying much)

Burnham was a lb recruit that lost athleticism late in hs as he got bigger so he was projected as a vyoer, but he’s lost more athleticism getting up to 250lba moving him to sde. Not the path that works. Junior is similar. 2 highly rated recruits that were not good by the time they got to nd. It was obvious their senior season in HS. Bowen is similar, lost so much athleticism putting on weight as sr in hs.

Nah Burnham is going to play a lot next year. Him and Young will be top 2 at big end. Had a real bad ankle sprain and still played well after

Your evaluation skills are pretty bad

 

[Get Nasty]

Nah Burnham is going to play a lot next year. Him and Young will be top 2 at big end. Had a real bad ankle sprain and still played well after

Your evaluation skills are pretty bad

What game did Burnham play well in…. Spring game maybe?

I do think he’ll be in 2 deep to start season but could give away snaps to burgess if he doesn’t improve .. last 2 years he’s been a disappointment. 3 sacks over 2 years playing a lot

 

[Telx1]

Yeah burgess could get pt if Burnham doesn’t improver or is needed at vyper

Burnham obviously isn’t it so he could lose snaps over time (he’s better than junior and oben, but that’s not saying much)

Burnham was a lb recruit that lost athleticism late in hs as he got bigger so he was projected as a vyoer, but he’s lost more athleticism getting up to 250lba moving him to sde. Not the path that works. Junior is similar. 2 highly rated recruits that were not good by the time they got to nd. It was obvious their senior season in HS. Bowen is similar, lost so much athleticism putting on weight as sr in hs.

Nasty,
You’ve been down on Bowen since he arrived. Frankly, I think he had a very very good sophomore year, and expect he’ll be a mainstay at LB for another two. He tackles exceptionally well and has great instincts. He doesn’t have Sneed or Ausberry speed, but he had a better season than both imo because his tackling and instincts are better.
Burnham and Jr both played SDE better than I expected; but both struggled in the playoffs against the better and bigger offensive lines. They’re both good depth pieces and great rotational pieces against certain teams, but I hope we’re not depending on either starting against the better teams.

 

[echowaker]

Nah Burnham is going to play a lot next year. Him and Young will be top 2 at big end. Had a real bad ankle sprain and still played well after

Your evaluation skills are pretty bad

History has shown that many of the guys he has been critical of over the years have collected very nice NFL paychecks.

 

[echowaker]

Nasty,
You’ve been down on Bowen since he arrived. Frankly, I think he had a very very good sophomore year, and expect he’ll be a mainstay at LB for another two. He tackles exceptionally well and has great instincts. He doesn’t have Sneed or Ausberry speed, but he had a better season than both imo because his tackling and instincts are better.
Burnham and Jr both played SDE better than I expected; but both struggled in the playoffs against the better and bigger offensive lines. They’re both good depth pieces and great rotational pieces against certain teams, but I hope we’re not depending on either starting against the better teams.

I agree. Burnham makes plays and is a solid contributor and an excellent depth piece. Same with Junior. They're not All Americans but those guys aren't around every corner. Bowen is your typical Mike. Physical, great leader who may be a captain as early as this coming season. They will have 6 LBs next year who will see lots of snaps. Max Bullough raves about Bodie Kalhoun. Watch him emerge. Fairimo might be a better prospect than KVA. Another loaded room.

 

[Telx1]

I agree. Burnham makes plays and is a solid contributor and an excellent depth piece. Same with Junior. They're not All Americans but those guys aren't around every corner. Bowen is your typical Mike. Physical, great leader who may be a captain as early as this coming season. They will have 6 LBs next year who will see lots of snaps. Max Bullough raves about Bodie Kalhoun. Watch him emerge. Fairimo might be a better prospect than KVA. Another loaded room.

Another loaded room for sure! Wish we all were thinking and saying the same for our defensive line! We have some nice pieces for sure, and lots of unknowns with seemingly high potential. I for one, would love to hear anything your contacts share about our DL. Anxious to hear how Guys like Mukam and Sevillano are developing, and wonder what the hell happened with Vernon who was so highly hyped, etc…. Mullins and Thomas and Houston need to make their moves, etc…. Except for Thomas briefly, none of these guys contributed in meaningful minutes this past year.

 

[Golson5]

What game did Burnham play well in…. Spring game maybe?

I do think he’ll be in 2 deep to start season but could give away snaps to burgess if he doesn’t improve .. last 2 years he’s been a disappointment. 3 sacks over 2 years playing a lot

Many games he played well in.

I have no idea how we had a top 3 defense over a 16 game season with so many guys who can't play according to you

Bowen, Junior, Burnham, Hinish, Oben, Gray

With 6 guys playing huge snaps and being garbage it's a miracle if we would have had a top 100 defense yet we finished as a top 3 defense

Amazing

 

[Golson5]

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Good article

 

[theskibro]

Another loaded room for sure! Wish we all were thinking and saying the same for our defensive line! We have some nice pieces for sure, and lots of unknowns with seemingly high potential. I for one, would love to hear anything your contacts share about our DL. Anxious to hear how Guys like Mukam and Sevillano are developing, and wonder what the hell happened with Vernon who was so highly hyped, etc…. Mullins and Thomas and Houston need to make their moves, etc…. Except for Thomas briefly, none of these guys contributed in meaningful minutes this past year.

B Vernon is a huge mystery to me Golson says Vernon is a body type that is not fitting dt or edge. But there has to be more to it than that

 

[Golson5]

B Vernon is a huge mystery to me Golson says Vernon is a body type that is not fitting dt or edge. But there has to be more to it than that

I think he fits at big end but they moved him to DT. I don't know if there is more to it than that I'm sure there is

 

[theskibro]

I think he fits at big end but they moved him to DT. I don't know if there is more to it than that I'm sure there is

I remember when we got Vernon it was a very big deal and the evaluation of him was that he had a relentless motor. That sounds like a guy we need do it becomes a true mystery why he has not emerged

 

[echowaker]

Many games he played well in.

I have no idea how we had a top 3 defense over a 16 game season with so many guys who can't play according to you

Bowen, Junior, Burnham, Hinish, Oben, Gray

With 6 guys playing huge snaps and being garbage it's a miracle if we would have had a top 100 defense yet we finished as a top 3 defense

Amazing

Agreed. Just a dumb take. All contributed.

 

[Get Nasty]

Nasty,
You’ve been down on Bowen since he arrived. Frankly, I think he had a very very good sophomore year, and expect he’ll be a mainstay at LB for another two. He tackles exceptionally well and has great instincts. He doesn’t have Sneed or Ausberry speed, but he had a better season than both imo because his tackling and instincts are better.
Burnham and Jr both played SDE better than I expected; but both struggled in the playoffs against the better and bigger offensive lines. They’re both good depth pieces and great rotational pieces against certain teams, but I hope we’re not depending on either starting against the better teams.

I love his aggression and physicality, he just lost so much athleticism his senior year in HS. I thought Bowen's Jr year film was incredible and he was going to be the dream MLB. I disagree on the instincts. His instincts were incredibly wrong way too many times vs psu and osu (see osu 70yd run).

Burnham and junior IMO just aren't SDEs. They're vyper size with SDE athleticism (why you saw them struggle other than against freeling, he was awful). They're not twitching like Traore, or explosive like Botelho had become to play vyper. They're not big enough to hold the edge like you need at SDE and our edge got exposed A LOT the last 2 games.

Our interior DL is going to take a step back next year from where it was the first half 3/4 of the year. People now realize how good Mills was. That dude NEVER got thrown around like we saw cross and hinish a lot, and rubio some. WE need the ends to take a big step forward. Thats getting traore/botelho healthy, young and Thomas strong and developed.

 

[echowaker]

I remember when we got Vernon it was a very big deal and the evaluation of him was that he had a relentless motor. That sounds like a guy we need do it becomes a true mystery why he has not emerged

Some guys take a while. Should be a make or break spring for him.

 

[Get Nasty]

Many games he played well in.

I have no idea how we had a top 3 defense over a 16 game season with so many guys who can't play according to you

Bowen, Junior, Burnham, Hinish, Oben, Gray

With 6 guys playing huge snaps and being garbage it's a miracle if we would have had a top 100 defense yet we finished as a top 3 defense

Amazing

Not sure if you realize how bad of offensive teams we played, and the few good ones we played didn't have their starting QB. Those 6 players you mention got absolutely whipped the last 2 games against good offensive lines (NOT GREAT). Gray got whipped against good WRs.

Mills covered up a lot of depth issues inside with the number of snaps he played and how well he played. He will be missed.

 

[Get Nasty]

History has shown that many of the guys he has been critical of over the years have collected very nice NFL paychecks.

Other than Tony Jones and Boykin, who was I wrong on that's doing well in the NFL? Those guys have had almost no impact in the NFL, i just expected it to be none not almost none.

 

[Get Nasty]

I agree. Burnham makes plays and is a solid contributor and an excellent depth piece. Same with Junior. They're not All Americans but those guys aren't around every corner. Bowen is your typical Mike. Physical, great leader who may be a captain as early as this coming season. They will have 6 LBs next year who will see lots of snaps. Max Bullough raves about Bodie Kalhoun. Watch him emerge. Fairimo might be a better prospect than KVA. Another loaded room.

Those guys aren't around every corner because they always give up the corner

 

[Get Nasty]

I remember when we got Vernon it was a very big deal and the evaluation of him was that he had a relentless motor. That sounds like a guy we need do it becomes a true mystery why he has not emerged

Vernon had major challenges mentally/physically in HS and his results his last 2 years in HS showed that. He had absolutely no motor his sr year in HS. Hopefully he can get everything together and develop into a good player, but I really struggle to see anyone on our roster this year at DL(that didn't contribute) becoming a really big contributor next year. You may ask, but players go from not contributing to contributing all the time. I agree, other than when you lose 4 key DL players, and a 5th is playing on one leg, and you can't crack the field, that's telling. especially when those positions groups were struggling.

I'm sure there will be some snaps for sevilliano, mukham, maybe vernone etc. But I don't see any of them being good consistent contributors.

 

[Golson5]

Not sure if you realize how bad of offensive teams we played, and the few good ones we played didn't have their starting QB. Those 6 players you mention got absolutely whipped the last 2 games against good offensive lines (NOT GREAT). Gray got whipped against good WRs.

Mills covered up a lot of depth issues inside with the number of snaps he played and how well he played. He will be missed.

Right......LOL

I would guess we held every team we played all year below their ppg avg for the season

Mills is now superhuman and can cover up for a whole DL

The shit you say is hilarious

 

[Get Nasty]

Right......LOL

I would guess we held every team we played all year below their ppg avg for the season

Mills is now superhuman and can cover up for a whole DL

The shit you say is hilarious

Interior DL depth he covered up for playing 80% of the snaps some games and at times dominating. His ability to push the pocket back doesn't show up on stats when it impacted the QB. What did show up was our Run D the last 2 weeks without him. Pathetic.

A&M started the wrong QB
Tech started their backup
USCs backup smoked us
Louisville went up and down the field on us
Stanford, NIU, MIami OH, Viginia, FSU - Terrible offenses
Navy/Army - academies
Indiana - Freezing out (but I'll give D credit, they played well there)
Georgia - Backup
PSU - not good
OSU - Terrible

ND had a good D in 2024, just not as good as it seemed on paper and that was made obvious the last 2 games. ND WOULD have had a great D if they didn't lose BenMo and were smart enough to replace gray with moore, didn't lose one of their ends, and mills. That D could have been lights out.

Golden is an elite DC (When he's locked in) which he wasn't vs OSU.

 

[savvyandsassier]

replace NDs low 4 star-laden secondary with the type of 5 star and high 4 star studs OSU has successfully secured on their roster at DB and NDs secondary now has way more upside to perform at an even higher level under these same coaches/scheme/player development

Yeah, of all the position groups, DBs is the one that needs to be overhauled? Sure, we got all them future NFL players and frosh A-As on the depth chart, a testament our great recruiting efforts getting all these 'dudes', and they're only low four star caliber, arguably the best secondary in the country. And that's first on the chopping block, get those guys outta here. Good, but we can do even better.

You really think of everything, huh?

 

[IrishMike409]

Interior DL depth he covered up for playing 80% of the snaps some games and at times dominating. His ability to push the pocket back doesn't show up on stats when it impacted the QB. What did show up was our Run D the last 2 weeks without him. Pathetic.

A&M started the wrong QB
Tech started their backup
USCs backup smoked us
Louisville went up and down the field on us
Stanford, NIU, MIami OH, Viginia, FSU - Terrible offenses
Navy/Army - academies
Indiana - Freezing out (but I'll give D credit, they played well there)
Georgia - Backup
PSU - not good
OSU - Terrible

ND had a good D in 2024, just not as good as it seemed on paper and that was made obvious the last 2 games. ND WOULD have had a great D if they didn't lose BenMo and were smart enough to replace gray with moore, didn't lose one of their ends, and mills. That D could have been lights out.

Golden is an elite DC (When he's locked in) which he wasn't vs OSU.

Louisville didn't go up and down the field.

We had 2 awful turnovers deep in our own territory. The D was put in awful spots and held strong all game.

 

[Get Nasty]

I

Louisville didn't go up and down the field.

We had 2 awful turnovers deep in our own territory. The D was put in awful spots and held strong all game.

remember them having significantly more yards then us despite getting a short field twice. Their offense played better vs our D than ours vs theird (and louisville D wasn't that good).

 

[savvyandsassier]

Some guys take a while. Should be a make or break spring for him.

I don't think he's motivated to play football. I think he just wants to be a college student.

 

[ndhuntington]

OSU started getting beat when they went to a prevent defense sacrificing yards for clock. Its not a matter of getting beat a few times anyway its being able to play up to any level of competition no matter how big the stars are on the opposing team.

Did u watch the all 22? Because that's not true not only that but Riley Missed some plays in the first half.

 

[Golson5]

Interior DL depth he covered up for playing 80% of the snaps some games and at times dominating. His ability to push the pocket back doesn't show up on stats when it impacted the QB. What did show up was our Run D the last 2 weeks without him. Pathetic.

A&M started the wrong QB
Tech started their backup
USCs backup smoked us
Louisville went up and down the field on us
Stanford, NIU, MIami OH, Viginia, FSU - Terrible offenses
Navy/Army - academies
Indiana - Freezing out (but I'll give D credit, they played well there)
Georgia - Backup
PSU - not good
OSU - Terrible

ND had a good D in 2024, just not as good as it seemed on paper and that was made obvious the last 2 games. ND WOULD have had a great D if they didn't lose BenMo and were smart enough to replace gray with moore, didn't lose one of their ends, and mills. That D could have been lights out.

Golden is an elite DC (When he's locked in) which he wasn't vs OSU.

ND had a great D in 24. One of the best on the country. One of the deepest in the country

Psu averaged 33ppg this year and we held them to 24 with 5 players out and another 3 injured. I dont think you are making the point you think you are when you say the last 2 games lol

Shut down Georgia completely and shut down Indiana completely. Don't give me backup when we have 8 starters out. It doesn't hold up

 

[Golson5]

I

remember them having significantly more yards then us despite getting a short field twice. Their offense played better vs our D than ours vs theird (and louisville D wasn't that good).

When you are comparing defenses what we did vs them is irrelevant. You just put that in there because you don't have much of an argument

 

[Get Nasty]

When you are comparing defenses what we did vs them is irrelevant. You just put that in there because you don't have much of an argument

Louisville didn’t have 24 points and 400 yards?


Osu and psu both didn’t rush for over 200 yards vs nd? At very high ypc at or above their season averages?

 

[IrishMike409]

I don't think he's motivated to play football. I think he just wants to be a college student.

I thought this too when we signed him. If I remember correctly, he played guitar and also wanted to be in a band? Which is fine...who wouldn't want to play guitar in a cool band, but those guys don't usually end up being great defensive linemen.

Seemed like he played football because he should play football. Not because he loved playing football.

 

[IrishMike409]

Louisville didn’t have 24 points and 400 yards?


Osu and psu both didn’t rush for over 200 yards vs nd? At very high ypc at or above their season averages?

Didn't Louisville get some points very late? I was at the game, and it felt like ND was in total control the whole time.

Louisville made it interesting late, but ND largely controlled that whole game.

 

[HRC08]

I’m worried about Jaylen Sneed. Y’all talk me off the cliff.

 

[stu4don]

I'm already looking to next year to make another run at the NC

QB - Carr
RB - Love
TE - Raridon
WR - Greathouse
WR - Faison
WR - Fields
LT - Lambert
LG - Schrauth
C - Craig
RG - Jagusah
RT - Wagner

DE - Traore
DE - Young
DT - Rubio
DT - Louisville kid name?
LB - KVA
LB - Sneed
CB - Moore
CB - Gray
NB - Smith
S - Shuler
S - Stroman

Talented squad. Hope guys come back healthy and we don't have any key transfers

You forgot the best LB not named Kiser this year! Dryak Bowen. Kid is already and is going to be very very good. Sneed is probably gone (hope not but it is what it is). I wouldn't count out Knapp too. Not sure where he plays, but it will be hard to keep him off the field.

 

[stu4don]

The three big questions about next year:

Who are the new leaders -- we lose Kiser, Mills, Cross, Watts, Leonard... a lot of senior talent and experience?
Who will be the new DC?
And the biggie! How good is CJ? Is he ready to lead this team?

 

[savvyandsassier]

Why is Jaylen sneed leaving, he was a good player this year, why don't we pay him? Why would we let him walk, he's a starter. Pay the man!

 

[Golson5]

Louisville didn’t have 24 points and 400 yards?


Osu and psu both didn’t rush for over 200 yards vs nd? At very high ypc at or above their season averages?

Psu scored 24 after averaging 33 for the year. They only had 339 yards of offense for the game. One of their lowest of the season.

Louisville had 395 yards and 5.2 yards per player which was the same as our offense did. Louisville averaged 36.2 ppg for the year and had 24 points against us

The point you are trying to make is not the point you are trying to make. Another fail

 

[Golson5]

You forgot the best LB not named Kiser this year! Dryak Bowen. Kid is already and is going to be very very good. Sneed is probably gone (hope not but it is what it is). I wouldn't count out Knapp too. Not sure where he plays, but it will be hard to keep him off the field.

KVA will be our best LB next year and probably by a decent margin. I'm not counting out Knapp. He may start at guard or center.