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I love the way this team is aligned for the season.
A few thoughts on offense:
I love the moves of Procise and Brent to RB.
Procise has to be used like Percy Harvin.
Brent has huge upside.
We need Luatua to be that lead blocker like he did against LSU. He was a straight up beast in the game.
Who is his backup that will get in there just to bang heads? Who can block like Luatua if he gets banged up.
We need lead blocking from the H back spot. To play "POWER FOOTBALL"

Steve Elmer & Corey Robinson look to be in great shape from practice videos.
Robinson and Chris Brown need to perform or Torii Hunter and Corey Holmes will take their reps.
In my opinion, CJ Sanders will be a weapon from the slot on pitches from options, jet sweeps, reverses and will be a weapon right away.
This kid will be used.
I have seen a decent amount of Boise tape and you can tell that Sanford will dial up some razzle, dazzle inside the 30 yard line. He liked Statue of Liberty inside the 20 at Boise we will see this from ND. To score TD 's and not kick field goals.
I like that we aren't hearing much hype from this team. We aren't hearing how fast Chris Brown is or how great Amir Carlisle will be.
This team seems focused on being tough and winning.
I love the depth in the secondary- Russell, Luke, Watkins, Coleman and Crawford. Shumate and Redfield.
How are the reserve D lineman coming along? Cage, Tillery, Bonner, Trumbetti- year#2
I would like to feel somewhat comfortable if Day or Jarron Jones got banged up.
Is Ishaq Williams officially back? He's listed on the rivals depth chart.
Go Irish.
 
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ZORO50 said:
I love the way this team is aligned for the season.
A few thoughts on offense:
I love the moves of Procise and Brent to RB.
Procise has to be used like Percy Harvin.
Brent has huge upside.
We need Luatua to be that lead blocker like he did against LSU. He was a straight up beast in the game.
Who is his backup that will get in there just to bang heads? Who can block like Luatua if he gets banged up.
We need lead blocking from the H back spot. To play "POWER FOOTBALL"

Steve Elmer & Corey Robinson look to be in great shape from practice videos.
Robinson and Chris Brown need to perform or Torii Hunter and Corey Holmes will take their reps.
In my opinion, CJ Sanders will be a weapon from the slot on pitches from options, jet sweeps, reverses and will be a weapon right away.
This kid will be used.
I have seen a decent amount of Boise tape and you can tell that Sanford will dial up some razzle, dazzle inside the 30 yard line. He liked Statue of Liberty inside the 20 at Boise we will see this from ND. To score TD 's and not kick field goals.
I like that we aren't hearing much hype from this team. We aren't hearing how fast Chris Brown is or how great Amir Carlisle will be.
This team seems focused on being tough and winning.
I love the depth in the secondary- Russell, Luke, Watkins, Coleman and Crawford. Shumate and Redfield.
How are the reserve D lineman coming along? Cage, Tillery, Bonner, Trumbetti- year#2
I would like to feel somewhat comfortable if Day or Jarron Jones got banged up.
Is Ishaq Williams officially back? He's listed on the rivals depth chart.
Go Irish.
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Prosise is out with a hip flexor......
http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/...-knee-injury-321961001.html?device=tablet&c=y
 
They need to stay healthy. That is first and foremost. Stay health and I think they can be in the conversation. Losing Jones can not be understated. Hopefully they can find a replacement. Even losing Bryant hurts. They can't afford anymore negatives. I will keep my fingers crossed.
 
tkirish said:
They need to stay healthy. That is first and foremost. Stay health and I think they can be in the conversation. Losing Jones can not be understated. Hopefully they can find a replacement. Even losing Bryant hurts. They can't afford anymore negatives. I will keep my fingers crossed.
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Don't agree about Bryant. He has done nothing and was probably 3rd string.
 
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This team is coming into their own this year. Out-physicalling the most physical team in the SEC (LSU) in last year's bowl game and returning the vast majority of starters will go a long way to boost their confidence. I see ND getting a lot of hype this year, albeit negative hype, with the whiny coaches crying about a 13th game requirement for ND to get into the playoffs.
 
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Pennick4 said:
Don't agree about Bryant. He has done nothing and was probably 3rd string.
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Ara64 said:
The thing about Coach Kelly's football style is he wants players who are versatile and can play multiple positions. You see it all over the field on both sides of the ball. The main article on the front page identifies 11 true freshmen posed to make an impact on this veteran team. Some here may not like the star power of Coach Kelly's teams, but they are football quality players.
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Ara, I am not disagreeing with your post. However, regardless of star power or lack thereof, the only thing that matters is winning a lot of games. If Kelly wins 10 plus games and a wins major bowl this year, all will be fine. If he stays at ND the next 4 or 5 years, he needs to have at the minimum, a yearly top ten team and at least be in contention in November for a national championship. With some luck and good play, maybe make it to the big game. There is no more room or excuses for a ceiling of 8 wins.
 
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ZORO50 said:
I love the way this team is aligned for the season.
A few thoughts on offense:
I love the moves of Procise and Brent to RB.
Procise has to be used like Percy Harvin.
Brent has huge upside.
We need Luatua to be that lead blocker like he did against LSU. He was a straight up beast in the game.
Who is his backup that will get in there just to bang heads? Who can block like Luatua if he gets banged up.
We need lead blocking from the H back spot. To play "POWER FOOTBALL"

Steve Elmer & Corey Robinson look to be in great shape from practice videos.
Robinson and Chris Brown need to perform or Torii Hunter and Corey Holmes will take their reps.
In my opinion, CJ Sanders will be a weapon from the slot on pitches from options, jet sweeps, reverses and will be a weapon right away.
This kid will be used.
I have seen a decent amount of Boise tape and you can tell that Sanford will dial up some razzle, dazzle inside the 30 yard line. He liked Statue of Liberty inside the 20 at Boise we will see this from ND. To score TD 's and not kick field goals.
I like that we aren't hearing much hype from this team. We aren't hearing how fast Chris Brown is or how great Amir Carlisle will be.
This team seems focused on being tough and winning.
I love the depth in the secondary- Russell, Luke, Watkins, Coleman and Crawford. Shumate and Redfield.
How are the reserve D lineman coming along? Cage, Tillery, Bonner, Trumbetti- year#2
I would like to feel somewhat comfortable if Day or Jarron Jones got banged up.
Is Ishaq Williams officially back? He's listed on the rivals depth chart.
Go Irish.
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Z

good comments agree the guy at TE who could surprise is the converted O lineman. Cant think of his name is it Hounshell?
 
tkirish said:
Ara, I am not disagreeing with your post. However, regardless of star power or lack thereof, the only thing that matters is winning a lot of games. If Kelly wins 10 plus games and a wins major bowl this year, all will be fine. If he stays at ND the next 4 or 5 years, he needs to have at the minimum, a yearly top ten team and at least be in contention in November for a national championship. With some luck and good play, maybe make it to the big game. There is no more room or excuses for a ceiling of 8 wins.
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Ceiling of 8 wins ? Who's expectation is that

reminder 2012 12 wins
last min of 10 w-o injuries

What is all this 8-4 bull shit about ?
 
Avg of 9 wins a season including bowl games will do that. Yall are thinking of Hounsell who is a DL guy that got shifted there and picked up his 5th year this spring.

I was surprised by the # freshmen Kelly said he expected to play this year considering only a couple weeks ago he said that he didn't think more then 4-5 would get playing time this year because of the depth. Hopefully that means the frosh have impressed this summer.
 
continually35forever said:
Ceiling of 8 wins ? Who's expectation is that

reminder 2012 12 wins
last min of 10 w-o injuries

What is all this 8-4 bull shit about ?
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It's not my expectation that's for sure. However,if they go 8 and 4 this year and Kelly remains, that would tell me, that they, (administration) are fine with 8 win seasons. That's all I am saying.
 
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If Kelly had inherited a functional high level QB ND would have won 10+ every yr since he got here BTW when Weis went 9-3 and went to BCS bowls everyone was jazzed

IF Zaire is legit we win 11 - 12 this yr

Barring injuries and Golson's implosion they go 12-0 last yr --- here's the punch line Jack S knows that

internet tough guys not so much .
 
If the offensive line can perform the way they did against LSU(or perhaps be even better!!!) there is not a team on the schedule that ND doesn't have a chance to beat. The return of Kei'vare Russell will be huge for the defense, not just because of how talented he is, but also because of how vocal he is and how he demands others raise their game to his level.

The big question mark for this year, in my opinion, is what happens if/when ND falls behind 14-0 in the first quarter? Will BK stick to the plan and try to run the ball? Does he trust Zaire enough as a passer to throw the ball? Does he force Zaire to throw the ball 50 times in such games, even if he knows that's not putting Zaire in the best position to succeed?

I'm expecting a 10+ win season, even with Jones getting hurt.
 
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continually35forever said:
Ceiling of 8 wins ? Who's expectation is that

reminder 2012 12 wins
last min of 10 w-o injuries

What is all this 8-4 bull shit about ?
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I will be very surpised if this team wins more than 8 games this year.

The offense will be good, but not fantastic. The defense will be disappointing. Once again, the defense will not be able to stop teams on 3rd down and get off the field. That will really hurt ND against GT and USC. A close loss to GT as their offense dominates time of possession and ND runs out of time in the 4th quarter to get the go ahead score. I suspect a high scoring game against Clem, where they will have the advantage playing at home. Then, another bad, lopsided loss to a talented USC team who simply has better, bigger, faster athletes. Finally, one more unexpected loss to one of the following teams: Temple, Pitt, Wake, BC or Stanford (like the losses to Louisville and Northwestern last year). That adds up to 8-4.

Kelly will likely be gone at the end of the season.
 
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I would be really surprised if you weren't a trolling DB
NewHampshireIrish said:
If the offensive line can perform the way they did against LSU(or perhaps be even better!!!) there is not a team on the schedule that ND doesn't have a chance to beat. The return of Kei'vare Russell will be huge for the defense, not just because of how talented he is, but also because of how vocal he is and how he demands others raise their game to his level.

The big question mark for this year, in my opinion, is what happens if/when ND falls behind 14-0 in the first quarter? Will BK stick to the plan and try to run the ball? Does he trust Zaire enough as a passer to throw the ball? Does he force Zaire to throw the ball 50 times in such games, even if he knows that's not putting Zaire in the best position to succeed?

I'm expecting a 10+ win season, even with Jones getting hurt.
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if Zaire is above average they win 10+
 
continually35forever said:
If Kelly had inherited a functional high level QB ND would have won 10+ every yr since he got here BTW when Weis went 9-3 and went to BCS bowls everyone was jazzed

IF Zaire is legit we win 11 - 12 this yr

Barring injuries and Golson's implosion they go 12-0 last yr --- here's the punch line Jack S knows that

internet tough guys not so much .
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You maybe need to calm down a bit.

The previous poster said that there are no more excuses for another 8 win season. You seem to not be noticing the fact that you are giving excuses for prior 8 win seasons. You're even giving an excuse in advance for the season - to the effect of, if Zaire does not end up being a "legit" QB, then that's the excuse for not having 11 or 12 wins this year.

Very few teams, if any, go through an entire season where everything goes right. Everyone has injuries. Everyone has bad calls go against them. Everyone has positions with less depth than others.

If excuses are made for 5 out of the 6 end-of-season records, then I think it's reasonable to start wondering whether to expect much better.
 
NDEwing18 said:
You maybe need to calm down a bit.

The previous poster said that there are no more excuses for another 8 win season. You seem to not be noticing the fact that you are giving excuses for prior 8 win seasons. You're even giving an excuse in advance for the season - to the effect of, if Zaire does not end up being a "legit" QB, then that's the excuse for not having 11 or 12 wins this year.

Very few teams, if any, go through an entire season where everything goes right. Everyone has injuries. Everyone has bad calls go against them. Everyone has positions with less depth than others.

If excuses are made for 5 out of the 6 end-of-season records, then I think it's reasonable to start wondering whether to expect much better.
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Maybe you need to calm down a bit. The poster had an opinion. Nothing wrong with that.
 
I thought continually was being civil in this thread so I was giving him support.

There have been a lot of people trolling that have been constantly saying ND is an 8 and 5 team and trying to rain on the more optimistic crowd who believe this is a 10+ win season for the Irish.
This is a team loaded with upperclassman with a loaded Oline. I don't think the optimistic posters are out of line. That is why I was backing the poster who was being optimistic.
 
Bodizephax said:
I thought continually was being civil in this thread so I was giving him support.

There have been a lot of people trolling that have been constantly saying ND is an 8 and 5 team and trying to rain on the more optimistic crowd who believe this is a 10+ win season for the Irish.
This is a team loaded with upperclassman with a loaded Oline. I don't think the optimistic posters are out of line. That is why I was backing the poster who was being optimistic.
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If being "civil" means calling someone a "trolling DB", then yes he was civil. I'm just not clear if he was referring to me, or Nook, when he made the comment. He quoted my post, yet we both said we expect ND to win 10 or more.....
 
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So, in this case DB doesn't mean defensive back?

I'm a huge Kelly fan and all, but he did inherit a high level QB, one of our best. Jimmy Clausen. Kelly was not able to keep him on campus. If Kelly has a weakness, that is it. He cannot get his own players to stay and play out their full eligibility. I realize it might be an issue throughout CFB in today's game, but I don't remember Weis having the same problem.

Go Irish!
Beat Texas
 
john0gaunt said:
So, in this case DB doesn't mean defensive back?

I'm a huge Kelly fan and all, but he did inherit a high level QB, one of our best. Jimmy Clausen. Kelly was not able to keep him on campus. If Kelly has a weakness, that is it. He cannot get his own players to stay and play out their full eligibility. I realize it might be an issue throughout CFB in today's game, but I don't remember Weis having the same problem.

Go Irish!
Beat Texas
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I think Kelly is better than most at high profile football schools at keeping talent on campus for one more year. Names like Tyler Eifort, Zack Martin, Ronnie Stanley, Sheldon Day, Manti Te'o (which was the biggest coup---helped us to a 12 and 0 reg season) and Mike Floyd (another big one).
 
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john0gaunt said:
So, in this case DB doesn't mean defensive back?

I'm a huge Kelly fan and all, but he did inherit a high level QB, one of our best. Jimmy Clausen. Kelly was not able to keep him on campus. If Kelly has a weakness, that is it. He cannot get his own players to stay and play out their full eligibility. I realize it might be an issue throughout CFB in today's game, but I don't remember Weis having the same problem.

Go Irish!
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You consider losing a QB to the draft inheriting a functional situation @ QB -- you kinda made my point
 
I actually agree with Continually... Clausen was never staying on to run BK's offense after Weis left and he was expecting to be a R1 pick.
 
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This team is terribly underrated by most.
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How so? No one knows how this season will play out all across the country. We can have fun predicting but they have to go out and earn it on the field. There is always a bunch of talk before the season. No one should be ranked right now until we get into October.
 
hmm.

Tyler Eifert did not play his senior season, he left for the league.
Manti played lights out his senior year, proving the importance of having these guys, especially team leaders, return for the senior season.

Not sure what offense you were watching, but Jimmy would have no problem running the offense Tommy Rees ran. And had he stayed, he might have been a first round pick.

As they say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just not their own set of facts.

Go Irish!
Beat Texas
 
Jimmy stated the coaching change was a big part of him leaving and not wanting to have to learn a new offense.
 
continually35forever said:
You consider losing a QB to the draft inheriting a functional situation @ QB -- you kinda made my point
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NDEwing18 said:
You maybe need to calm down a bit.

The previous poster said that there are no more excuses for another 8 win season. You seem to not be noticing the fact that you are giving excuses for prior 8 win seasons. You're even giving an excuse in advance for the season - to the effect of, if Zaire does not end up being a "legit" QB, then that's the excuse for not having 11 or 12 wins this year.

Very few teams, if any, go through an entire season where everything goes right. Everyone has injuries. Everyone has bad calls go against them. Everyone has positions with less depth than others.

If excuses are made for 5 out of the 6 end-of-season records, then I think it's reasonable to start wondering whether to expect much better.[/QUOTE


Thanks for the counsel Ewing -- couldn't do w-o your help - thanks

No more 8 win seasons around here -- your the best
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john0gaunt said:
hmm.

Tyler Eifert did not play his senior season, he left for the league.
Manti played lights out his senior year, proving the importance of having these guys, especially team leaders, return for the senior season.

Not sure what offense you were watching, but Jimmy would have no problem running the offense Tommy Rees ran. And had he stayed, he might have been a first round pick.

As they say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just not their own set of facts.

Go Irish!
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Tyler Eifert could have went pro instead of playing for the Irish his last year.
He was a Senior !! That is a fact ! He was thinking of going pro--but got talked out of it (remember he redshirted his freshman year.
You can go pro as a junior if you want. Just like Ronnie Stanley stayed for his senior year. He could have went pro this year.
2012 (Senior): Started all 13 games ... tied for the team-lead in receptions (50) and led in receiving yards (685) ... tied for the team-lead with four touchdown receptions ... holds the school record for career receptions (140) and career receiving yards (1,840) by a tight end ... bested Ken MacAfee's school records in both career categories that had stood since 1977 ... 36 of his 50 catches resulted in a touchdown or first down ... led the Irish with 12 receptions of at least 20 yards ... 29 of his 140 career catches went for at least 20 yards ... second Notre Dame tight end to ever record 10 or more career touchdown receptions ... his 140 career catches rank sixth in school history regardless of position ... third Irish tight end to ever collect at least 100 career catches ... opened the season against Navy (Sept. 1) with four receptions for 22 yards and one touchdown ... set a career high for receiving yards against Purdue (Sept. 8) with 98 yards on four catches ... in his next home game against Michigan (Sept. 22) had just one catch for 38 yards, but it came late in the fourth quarter and secured the victory ... lodged two more receptions for a total of 31 yards in the Shamrock Series game against Miami (Oct. 6) ... had four catches for 57 receiving yards and one touchdown against Stanford (Oct. 13) ... hauled in a touchdown catch versus BYU (Oct. 20) ... had four grabs for 73 yards in that game ... was nearly impossible to stop against Pittsburgh (Nov. 3), Boston College (Nov. 10) and Wake Forest (Nov. 17), with six catches in each contest ... equaled his season-high with six receptions (67 yards) against Boston College on Nov. 10, including five grabs that resulted in a first down ... equaled his season-high with six receptions in the victory over Pittsburgh (Nov. 3), including four that resulted in a first down ... hauled in six passes for 61 yards in the BCS title game against Alabama ... over the last five games of the year, recorded 344 receiving yards, which accounted for 50.2% of his total yardage for the season ... one of four captains for the 2012 season.
 
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Bodizephax said:
I thought continually was being civil in this thread so I was giving him support.

There have been a lot of people trolling that have been constantly saying ND is an 8 and 5 team and trying to rain on the more optimistic crowd who believe this is a 10+ win season for the Irish.
This is a team loaded with upperclassman with a loaded Oline. I don't think the optimistic posters are out of line. That is why I was backing the poster who was being optimistic.
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Trolling Devine Being
 
an example of a DB --

railing on Kelly when
  • Player fumbles on goal line ( brown v NW )
  • Player fumbles running out the clock ( McDaniel v NW )
  • Player fumbles on 3 yd line ( Folston v NW )
I know that the coaching staff has little to nothing to do with those turnovers - so if a douche bag comes on here railing on Kelly for shit like that than that person is a douche bag IMO

If ND is down 4 pts w the ball and Kelly decides to run out the clock than you can circle the wagons
 
Bod, my point is about JC and Kelly having a QB when he arrived.

I can understand a kid that needs to declare because his mother is sick and there are 4 more kids at home etc. To that young man we say God bless and good luck to you.

Jimmy wasn't that kid. He was worried about learning a new offense. Kelly should have assured him that the offense would emphasize his strengths and would make JC look good. Should have been a no brainer.

Go Irish!
Beat Texas
 
continually35forever said:
an example of a DB --

railing on Kelly when
  • Player fumbles on goal line ( brown v NW )
  • Player fumbles running out the clock ( McDaniel v NW )
  • Player fumbles on 3 yd line ( Folston v NW )
I know that the coaching staff has little to nothing to do with those turnovers - so if a douche bag comes on here railing on Kelly for shit like that than that person is a douche bag IMO

If ND is down 4 pts w the ball and Kelly decides to run out the clock than you can circle the wagons
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Railing on Kelly when ND plays a top 20 team w-o half the defense and loses in a one possession game in last two minutes - taking pot shots at the coach for that kind of loss given the circumstances is bush league and exposes the critic as a DB
 
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