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Good article on Freeman and his vision

Young and Burnham are going to be a really good tandem at Big End next year I think. Very talented.

Interior will be a battle between Onye/Rubio/Hinish/Mukam/Sevillano/Mullins//Vernon. I still want Vernon to go back to Big End. Maybe be a good number 3 over there

Vyper will be Traore and Thomas imo. With Junior there as more of the play against running teams

Then when we are in sub packages we always move LBs down as well like Sneed

There's also the chance we move LBs down if needed like maybe a Zinter or Kia or who knows

Lot of options. Lot of talent. That's not even including the portal. A step back I see but definitely not falling off a cliff

Good article on Freeman and his vision

The problem with the article is not all the players are great players he mentions like they are.

Burnham, Mickey, and Hinish are ok players. Maybe one day Burnham gets it all figured out (hopefully soon because OBEN was bad), but mickey is a solid corner, and hinish will never be better than solid.

I'm super stoked of the improvement in a lot of skill areas under freeman, but our dline is going to drop off like a cliff next year due to poor dline recruiting under freeman/washington. Also, WR needs to get figured out (preferably with a good passing attack starting this weekend) to help recruiting.
We have a lot of talent coming of age: Traore and Mukam and Young look to have very high ceilings. Hinish is solid and will only get better. Personally look forward to seeing both Vernon and Savillano next year. Definitely not going to have the strength up the middle we have today with across and Mills, but I don’t see us falling off the cliff.
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Good article on Freeman and his vision

The problem with the article is not all the players are great players he mentions like they are.

Burnham, Mickey, and Hinish are ok players. Maybe one day Burnham gets it all figured out (hopefully soon because OBEN was bad), but mickey is a solid corner, and hinish will never be better than solid.

I'm super stoked of the improvement in a lot of skill areas under freeman, but our dline is going to drop off like a cliff next year due to poor dline recruiting under freeman/washington. Also, WR needs to get figured out (preferably with a good passing attack starting this weekend) to help recruiting.
Won't fall off a cliff. Too many talented players and the portal if they need to use it both at DL and WR.

Plenty of depth and talent there and you use the portal to supplement it with guys like Oben, Collins etc.

Good article on Freeman and his vision

The problem with the article is not all the players are great players he mentions like they are.

Burnham, Mickey, and Hinish are ok players. Maybe one day Burnham gets it all figured out (hopefully soon because OBEN was bad), but mickey is a solid corner, and hinish will never be better than solid.

I'm super stoked of the improvement in a lot of skill areas under freeman, but our dline is going to drop off like a cliff next year due to poor dline recruiting under freeman/washington. Also, WR needs to get figured out (preferably with a good passing attack starting this weekend) to help recruiting.

BK post pressure….

With all due respect, I called Kelly a prick. I don't refer to Kelly as a prick because I dislike him. I dislike him because he's a prick. To interview for a pro job on the cusp of a Natty game is something a prick would do. To be in a recruit's home blowing smoke up the family's rear end on the eve of his bailing on the ND program is something a prick does. To berate Dane Crist in the manner he did defines him as a prick. He took the opportunity to take digs at ND after taking the LSU job, subtle as they may have been....because he is a prick. These examples only scratch the surface. Nick Saban is the king of college football coaches....he isn't a prick. Neither was Lou Holtz. Even Jimmy Johnson's heavy weight swagger didn't qualify him as a prick. I was elated when Kelly left...but he left ND the same way he came in....as a prick.
This! It's called CHARACTER.

BK post pressure….

Good for you that you’re dissociating yourself from those on this board who truly HATE Kelly. Because they exist. In one of the posts just following yours, someone referred to him in the usual prickly manner as a PRICK. Not exactly a term of endearment but pretty routine here.

And in line with that, I’m totally comfortable with my comment that people here have an INORDINATE DESIRE to denigrate the man because the evidence for that is EYE-POPPING in every thread in which Kelly appears.

Or else why would Savvy be writing all of those REBUTTAL POSTS? Almost every one of them has been written as a COUNTER-PUNCH to someone launching into an anti-Kelly snark or screed.

And neither of us is being defensive. We’re merely DEFENDING the guy against relentless slurs that CONFLATE his coaching, his character and whatever other cheap-shot opportunity seems handy. I mean, what do I have to be DEFENSIVE about? I’m no more invested in him than you are. I just hate seeing him used as a pinata.

I’m going to ask you to be honest. Do you actually think that a guy who’s been as successful a coach as Kelly – I’ll dispense with all of his accomplishments and assume in good faith that you’re aware of them – is deserving of the LEVEL OF ABUSE he routinely gets on this board? Do you think it is in any way JUSTIFIED?

Because I DON’T.

To me, it’s a pretty BAD LOOK and just another variation of KICK-THE-DOG-BULLYING. And of a guy who isn’t available to defend himself. I find it simply OVER THE TOP. All of this wishing that he fails and that he can’t do this or that. It’s in no way PROPORTIONAL.

As for Freeman, he CLEARLY would not have been my first choice, though not because I have any ANIMUS towards him (and you can verify that by examining my posts in which I’ve never denigrated him once as an individual, nor will I) but because of his lack of experience.

Yet, he’s done well and even if he doesn’t, I GUARANTEE I will never denigrate him as a person. It’s NOT MY STYLE, and it’s POOR FORM which is why when I see people GET VENOMOUS with Kelly, it TURNS ME OFF.

Seriously, why are people heaping abuse on a HIGH PERFORMANCE guy at a level they NEVER GOT TO and whose shoes they couldn’t shine on their best day – at least in his field – who was also the coach who made their team again relevant?

In other words, WHY MUST THE PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD?

And how about that Kelly hired the guy who has been all but anointed as the one who will accomplish everything he himself fell short of?

And sorry if you’re DISMISSIVE of Oedipal references, but as I said – BAD DADDY/GOOD DADDY. BK, BAD; MF, GOOD. It’s the basic WANNABE BINARY employed by school kids. Yet, WE SEE IT HERE.

Normally, I don’t get involved in these Kelly hate-fests, but this time, I thought Savvy’s post was so lights-out that I simply had to acknowledge him in support of his effort. I never like missing the opportunity of crediting someone on a good piece of writing.
With all due respect, I called Kelly a prick. I don't refer to Kelly as a prick because I dislike him. I dislike him because he's a prick. To interview for a pro job on the cusp of a Natty game is something a prick would do. To be in a recruit's home blowing smoke up the family's rear end on the eve of his bailing on the ND program is something a prick does. To berate Dane Crist in the manner he did defines him as a prick. He took the opportunity to take digs at ND after taking the LSU job, subtle as they may have been....because he is a prick. These examples only scratch the surface. Nick Saban is the king of college football coaches....he isn't a prick. Neither was Lou Holtz. Even Jimmy Johnson's heavy weight swagger didn't qualify him as a prick. I was elated when Kelly left...but he left ND the same way he came in....as a prick.

BK post pressure….

Good for you that you’re dissociating yourself from those on this board who truly HATE Kelly. Because they exist. In one of the posts just following yours, someone referred to him in the usual prickly manner as a PRICK. Not exactly a term of endearment but pretty routine here.

And in line with that, I’m totally comfortable with my comment that people here have an INORDINATE DESIRE to denigrate the man because the evidence for that is EYE-POPPING in every thread in which Kelly appears.

Or else why would Savvy be writing all of those REBUTTAL POSTS? Almost every one of them has been written as a COUNTER-PUNCH to someone launching into an anti-Kelly snark or screed.

And neither of us is being defensive. We’re merely DEFENDING the guy against relentless slurs that CONFLATE his coaching, his character and whatever other cheap-shot opportunity seems handy. I mean, what do I have to be DEFENSIVE about? I’m no more invested in him than you are. I just hate seeing him used as a pinata.

I’m going to ask you to be honest. Do you actually think that a guy who’s been as successful a coach as Kelly – I’ll dispense with all of his accomplishments and assume in good faith that you’re aware of them – is deserving of the LEVEL OF ABUSE he routinely gets on this board? Do you think it is in any way JUSTIFIED?

Because I DON’T.

To me, it’s a pretty BAD LOOK and just another variation of KICK-THE-DOG-BULLYING. And of a guy who isn’t available to defend himself. I find it simply OVER THE TOP. All of this wishing that he fails and that he can’t do this or that. It’s in no way PROPORTIONAL.

As for Freeman, he CLEARLY would not have been my first choice, though not because I have any ANIMUS towards him (and you can verify that by examining my posts in which I’ve never denigrated him once as an individual, nor will I) but because of his lack of experience.

Yet, he’s done well and even if he doesn’t, I GUARANTEE I will never denigrate him as a person. It’s NOT MY STYLE, and it’s POOR FORM which is why when I see people GET VENOMOUS with Kelly, it TURNS ME OFF.

Seriously, why are people heaping abuse on a HIGH PERFORMANCE guy at a level they NEVER GOT TO and whose shoes they couldn’t shine on their best day – at least in his field – who was also the coach who made their team again relevant?

In other words, WHY MUST THE PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD?

And how about that Kelly hired the guy who has been all but anointed as the one who will accomplish everything he himself fell short of?

And sorry if you’re DISMISSIVE of Oedipal references, but as I said – BAD DADDY/GOOD DADDY. BK, BAD; MF, GOOD. It’s the basic WANNABE BINARY employed by school kids. Yet, WE SEE IT HERE.

Normally, I don’t get involved in these Kelly hate-fests, but this time, I thought Savvy’s post was so lights-out that I simply had to acknowledge him in support of his effort. I never like missing the opportunity of crediting someone on a good piece of writing.
I judge a man by his CHARACTER. Kelly has shown he is of POOR CHARACTER time and time again. The way he left Notre Dame alone shows the type of person he is.
As for winning. Sure he won games, but when it came to games vs TOP 25 he was at BEST a .500 coach. When it comes to games vs the top 10 he's well BELOW AVERAGE at 2-13.

THROWING his players under the BUS and blaming EVERYONE else but himself for his FAILURES.

He's a good coach and program builder, but he's FAR from great. His teams looked UNPREPARED and UNINSPIRED in most BIG GAMES.

The DENIGRATION you refer to is more towards his CHARACTER and how he REACTS during his FAILURES.
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