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4-4-3 said:

Coan took a lot of crap when in fact he's been by far the best of the transfer QB's at ND. His immobility - due, I believe, to his foot injury at Wisconsin where he'd been a decent runner as he'd also been as an attack guy in lacrosse in high school -- hampered him, no question.

But he delivered the ball and with GREAT ACCURACY. Four TD passes in his first game at FSU in a comeback win plus another comeback win against V-Tech, I believe.

GAMER.

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I saw him keep the ball on an option play at Wisconsin for some yards although he’s not exactly fleet of foot. He was pulled early in that Va Tech game. I think it was understandable not because of Coan but more to spark up the offense. Then Coan comes in cool as a cucumber and leads ND down for the tying touchdown and he made a nice play on the two point conversion.

He also played darn well in the bowl game but the defense blew the game. I think Coan was a championship caliber player.

I think it was wise to bring in all three transfer QB’s who started for ND though the jury is still out on Leonard (I happen to believe it was still a very sound decision to bring him in even if the process may not have been).

Not bringing in a proven QB for 2022 ended up being to the team’s detriment and I think that could have been seen before the season. I do understand why they rolled with Buchner though.

Now people are mad at the portal decisions even though they clearly worked out in 2021 and 2023 in my opinion.

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Telx1 said:

I thought Ausberry had a great second half. Shedding blockers, making critical stops, good in coverage. Hope and expect he’ll see even more playing time tomorrow.

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He should start, 0 doubt about it

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chaseball said:

The ACC is a really low competition conference so you cannot really use raw ACC numbers to base your opinion. Once you get to the playoff the 5* Future NFL secondaries that you will likely face is like a whole other level entirely

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Pac-12 defenses weren't any better than ACC defenses. But nevertheless, that's a bad argument because there have been many ACC QBs who went on to become NFL stars.

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mbd11 said:

Hartman had better stats at Wake Forest than Daniels had at Arizona State. Point being, it wasn't clear who was better out of those two when they each entered the portal. Hartman had 3700 yds and 38 TDs in 2022. In hindsight, perhaps he was a system QB who just ran the mesh really well; or perhaps our receivers were part of the problem last year. Most people agree our receiving corps was the weakest unit on the team last year.

But he actually had the same QB rating in 2023 as in 2022. He just didn't throw as many passes.

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The ACC is a really low competition conference so you cannot really use raw ACC numbers to base your opinion. Once you get to the playoff the 5* Future NFL secondaries that you will likely face is like a whole other level entirely

raycyrx said:

This thread is not really staying on the topic I really wanted to discuss. I blame myself for bringing up the booing.

What its really about is the Irish players on the sidelines interacting with the crowd and when the crowd told them to focus on the game it got ugly with players throwing the F-bomb and the bird.

Where were the coaches and team Captains when this was happening?

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raycyrx said:

This thread is not really staying on the topic I really wanted to discuss. I blame myself for bringing up the booing.

What its really about is the Irish players on the sidelines interacting with the crowd and when the crowd told them to focus on the game it got ugly with players throwing the F-bomb and the bird.

Where were the coaches and team Captains when this was happening?

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I agree with Reggie Brooks that a different QB should've been brought in to spark the team.

I thought Ausberry had a great second half. Shedding blockers, making critical stops, good in coverage. Hope and expect he’ll see even more playing time tomorrow.

raycyrx said:

This thread is not really staying on the topic I really wanted to discuss. I blame myself for bringing up the booing.

What its really about is the Irish players on the sidelines interacting with the crowd and when the crowd told them to focus on the game it got ugly with players throwing the F-bomb and the bird.

Where were the coaches and team Captains when this was happening?

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Players have always done this. We just caught it last Saturday.

I played sports all my life in leagues before fans. Every now and then a teammate hit back against hecklers. Even our own fans on rare occasion when they got critical.

I follow soccer. Man, players have fought fans in the stands. Check out the recent Copa America in the USA, Colombia vs Uruguay.

I don't condone it. But I see nothing too out of the ordinary with ND here. Seems like the usual outlier, borne of frustration in losing to NI...hell, they care and feel it.

NDinNJ said:

I'm going off of prior to him going to Alabama. If you don't bring Hartman in, have a real QB competition, he may not transfer, maybe Angeli beats him out, maybe not. Remember, Angeli played in a couple of games, albeit garbage time, but he ran the offense well, and he played in the bowl game as well, and produced.

Again hindsight is 20/20. Easy to say now, but at the time it's different. I just prefer they groom who they recruited unless they bring in an elite QB, like a Jayden Daniel's type. Bringing in average QB's is clearly not the answer.

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Hartman had better stats at Wake Forest than Daniels had at Arizona State. Point being, it wasn't clear who was better out of those two when they each entered the portal. Hartman had 3700 yds and 38 TDs in 2022. In hindsight, perhaps he was a system QB who just ran the mesh really well; or perhaps our receivers were part of the problem last year. Most people agree our receiving corps was the weakest unit on the team last year.

But he actually had the same QB rating in 2023 as in 2022. He just didn't throw as many passes.

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Yes that was holding IMO though it’s difficult to clearly see. The official looks like he’s looking at it but his vision may be obscured.

ND got away with a bad, more obvious hold on their second TD drive.

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In all my years, have never seen players turn on home cowd

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