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savvyandsassier said:

I wonder if making that much money messes with your head. And you don't try as hard. Just because, you know, human nature. It's just one season, the money's already in the bank. He doesn't have to worry about being cut, and unless he has performance clauses in his NIL pay packet, he's already a millionaire.

So of course he wants to do well for the NFL, and keep honing his skills. But on some basic level there's a sense of like, I already got the money, and so I might just get a little bit complacent.

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Exactly, what NIL has done to the game is a real shame.

4-4-3 said:

I read somewhere that Riley has shared SOME PORTION of his payday with the offensive line. It was in a legitimate sports article, but I don't remember which.

As to the way an NIL payday can AFFECT A PLAYER'S HEAD, I was thinking of a possible RESPONSE to that which might also improve the ENTIRE CONCEPT.

DON'T GIVE NIL DEALS TO PLAYERS EXCLUSIVELY BUT TO POSITION GROUPS.

When you bring in an NIL QB, for instance, and the signing price is, say, $1.5 million, give that player, say, 75 to 85% of the money but then spread the rest of it around the rest of the existing position group, so that no matter who winds up being the QB, the "right player" has been rewarded to some degree and the investors have gotten at least SOME RETURN on their investment.

In other words, it's not an all or nothing FINANCIAL POSITION.

And the more you can pump up the acquisition price so that the ABSOLUTE NUMBER is more attractive, the larger share of it you can then dispense to the others in the position group which, in effect, for them serves also as a kind of STAY BONUS.

I think with a little more thought, this idea -- which is more or less just a FIRST DRAFT CONCEPT -- could be refined in a variety of ways.

Thoughts?

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I'm sure programs are thinking and acting along similar lines. Every serious program has their own arrangement and their own philosophy, but I listened to a podcast with a top NIL entrepreneur who works with Oklahoma I believe it was, and I recall him alluding to similar type arrangements, and a concerted, deliberate effort to make sure everyone's taken care of. For the good of the program, and morale and esprit de corps and whatnot. I assume ND themselves pursues a similar line. They claim not to buy any players, I guess with the exception of RL and Hartman, and they get their money on the back end somehow. But you can be sure someone like Xavier Watts is out-earning, let's say Deion Colzie. So they have some sort of tiered system, quite naturally. This is the free market after all.

That is definitely one thing 'good for the sport' about NIL which presumably fans should appreciate. Guys returning for their senior year, as with Xavier Watts, even though he's apparently not a highly rated draft prospect, which I don't quite understand why as he's a hell of a player. But they come back because they can make real money. HC3 too. The NFL can wait.

But the QBs, no surprise, do command the outsize money. Full revenue share is going to be with us soon, and I don't even know what's going to happen to NIL in that case. Or what all the myriad details and implications. Fans think they're reeling trying to come with grips with NIL, wait 'til that change is upon us.

Chitown11 said:

NIU is probably better than Purdue, however the Boilers do have a better QB in Hudson Card

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We had best focus on Purdue. Remember how we did not focus at all on NIU.

He was thinking at least this defense would never let them both score and burn up all/most of the 6 minutes.

BGI User 1596 said:

He was thinking: I can’t believe they gave me that much $ for this !

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Ouch!

savvyandsassier said:

I wonder if making that much money messes with your head. And you don't try as hard. Just because, you know, human nature. It's just one season, the money's already in the bank. He doesn't have to worry about being cut, and unless he has performance clauses in his NIL pay packet, he's already a millionaire.

So of course he wants to do well for the NFL, and keep honing his skills. But on some basic level there's a sense of like, I already got the money, and so I might just get a little bit complacent.

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I read somewhere that Riley has shared SOME PORTION of his payday with the offensive line. It was in a legitimate sports article, but I don't remember which.

As to the way an NIL payday can AFFECT A PLAYER'S HEAD, I was thinking of a possible RESPONSE to that which might also improve the ENTIRE CONCEPT.

DON'T GIVE NIL DEALS TO PLAYERS EXCLUSIVELY BUT TO POSITION GROUPS.

When you bring in an NIL QB, for instance, and the signing price is, say, $1.5 million, give that player, say, 75 to 85% of the money but then spread the rest of it around the rest of the existing position group, so that no matter who winds up being the QB, the "right player" has been rewarded to some degree and the investors have gotten at least SOME RETURN on their investment.

In other words, it's not an all or nothing FINANCIAL POSITION.

And the more you can pump up the acquisition price so that the ABSOLUTE NUMBER is more attractive, the larger share of it you can then dispense to the others in the position group which, in effect, for them serves also as a kind of STAY BONUS.

I think with a little more thought, this idea -- which is more or less just a FIRST DRAFT CONCEPT -- could be refined in a variety of ways.

Thoughts?

I’d actually like to see the linebackers accept being blocked more and focus on fulfilling their assignment.

A little bit too much attempting to “make a play”. I was concerned about this going into the season, and I wonder who else will hammer ND on the ground with tight ends.

savvyandsassier said:

Well I don't know how they do in the NFL, or exactly just what pressure they're under to play or not play especially prominent players. But I was also trying to put myself in MF's shoes, biased as I definitely am at the moment given how our playoff hopes are almost already shattered in week two, and immediately the prospect leaps to mind that MF might stick with his guy notwithstanding the underwhelming efforts of the first two weeks. Which is fine, it's certainly his prerogative and maybe that's the right move. But I think it's certainly fair to say that maybe it's not.

One thing you know MF's gotta be thinking is we can't lose to Purdue this week. I certainly hope he is. He's not on any hot seat, but a 1-2 start with losses to NIU and Purdue would be a disaster just the same....

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Again though, I was only talking about the NIL being a factor in playing Leonard. That’s ludicrous to me.

You mentioned being biased because of the damaged playoff hopes. That’s the thing. So many people are just pissed because ND lost to NIU and the playoff hopes have taken a severe hit. Now a below average passing game performance is seen as the worst thing ever and he sucks.

If Greathouse doesn’t drop that deep ball (not Leonard’s fault), Leonard would have one more completion and about 30 more passing yards in his stats. That first INT could have easily just fallen incomplete, not to say that it was acceptable QB play. If just those two plays turn out better for ND, ND very likely wins and Leonard is mostly forgiven despite his second INT and some other issues. But now because they lost, fans want blood. Of course questioning Leonard is fair, but I think there’s no doubt that the average fan view of Leonard would be better had ND won.

The coaches are going off of way more nuance and history than the fans are. They’re not going to overreact based on one below average performance.

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Rockne's Rambler said:

sjb75: I'm surprised by your response. Are you saying you don't think he smiled after the interception? Or, he smiled but that doesn't mean he doesn't "want to"? I don't ever recall a player smiling after a failed play. Aren't you curious?

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Curious about what? To answer your question, no, I am not curious.

mbd11 said:

Coan had his moments, but I'll take Hartman over him. Hartman had better mobility and got rid of the ball quicker. He made quick decisions. Coan held the ball too long sometimes and took too many sacks. He was sacked 32 times that year. Hartman was only sacked 14 times last year. Now, you could argue that Hartman's OL was better (and it was), but I still feel like his quick decision making was one of his strengths. It wasn't always the right decision (as we saw with some of the interceptions), but it was quick.

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You can make a case for either of them, though Hartman's overall stats were slightly better.

But Coan was never embraced the way Hartman was, so expectations were lower. Yet, he played on a better team.

Hartman was billed as a gamechanger -- which didn't prove out -- and in my view, OVERHYPED from the get-go.

A kind of Justin Timberlake of QB's.

Yet, I don't dispute that he PLAYED WELL.

Rockne's Rambler said:

sjb75: I'm surprised by your response. Are you saying you don't think he smiled after the interception? Or, he smiled but that doesn't mean he doesn't "want to"? I don't ever recall a player smiling after a failed play. Aren't you curious?

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I play a lot of tennis and when I miss an obvious shot, sometimes I laugh about it, sometimes I curse under my breath. I think people do react differently to mistakes in sports. I really wouldn't give it any more thought than that.

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HarlemIrish said:

Chuck Knoblauk & Scott Brosius instrumental in WS title

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Absolutely.

Brosius was the 98 WS MVP.

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4-4-3 said:

Yes, they want to win, NO QUESTION.

But here's the rub.

If you bring in someone at a HIGH PRICE, might your REASONING as to if he should be pulled or not be affected by the money YOU'VE ALREADY LAID OUT? If you're NOT out of pocket, you're only going on performance. But if you've laid out cash, that can EASILY color your decision in a way where HOPIUM factors into the equation in a way it otherwise would not.

In short, it can make you LESS LIKELY to pull the trigger when UNBIASED EVIDENCE says that YOU SHOULD.

It's a CONFLICT OF INTEREST and leaves you NEGOTIATING WITH YOURSELF.

Hoping against hope.

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Pure nausea.

sjb75 said:

Is this a serious question?

I have listened to every interview Riley Leonard gave after that NIU game. One thing I will not question regarding Leonard is his want to.

We all react and respond differently when faced with adversity.

Questioning a reaction after an interception seems a bit trivial to me.

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sjb75: I'm surprised by your response. Are you saying you don't think he smiled after the interception? Or, he smiled but that doesn't mean he doesn't "want to"? I don't ever recall a player smiling after a failed play. Aren't you curious?

It could have been an embarrassed smile. I'm sure neither was happy about it. I am expecting a bounce back win this weekend.

mbd11 said:

But I'm assuming those same donors, like us here on this board, want to win? So if the guy they paid a lot of money for isn't getting the job done, they'd be okay with replacing him?

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Yes, they want to win, NO QUESTION.

But here's the rub.

If you bring in someone at a HIGH PRICE, might your REASONING as to if he should be pulled or not be affected by the money YOU'VE ALREADY LAID OUT? If you're NOT out of pocket, you're only going on performance. But if you've laid out cash, that can EASILY color your decision in a way where HOPIUM factors into the equation in a way it otherwise would not.

In short, it can make you LESS LIKELY to pull the trigger when UNBIASED EVIDENCE says that YOU SHOULD.

It's a CONFLICT OF INTEREST and leaves you NEGOTIATING WITH YOURSELF.

Hoping against hope.

BGI User 1596 said:

He was thinking: I can’t believe they gave me that much $ for this !

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Tell Mike Elko that.

I wonder if making that much money messes with your head. And you don't try as hard. Just because, you know, human nature. It's just one season, the money's already in the bank. He doesn't have to worry about being cut, and unless he has performance clauses in his NIL pay packet, he's already a millionaire.

So of course he wants to do well for the NFL, and keep honing his skills. But on some basic level there's a sense of like, I already got the money, and so I might just get a little bit complacent.