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Angelli Should be the starter.

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McCallen ND NYC said:
Riley is a good runner but I’d rather have a QB who can pass. He has zero TDs in 3 games and two games were against very easy competition. Riley can barely complete 5 yard passes consistently. Angeli deserves more snaps next week.
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As much as I like Angeli, you have to bear in mind that he went up against a defense that was gassed. It was 88 degrees at kickoff and over and over Purdue went three and out.

It's easier to complete those passes at that point in time.
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Angelli Should be the starter.

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4-4-3 said:
I just realized what FOR ME is the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM in all of this.

When you have a QB whose main ability is OVERWHELMINGLY to run, are you not in fact running a kind of GIMMICK OFFENSE?

Riley is almost a FREAKISHLY effective runner once he gets out in space. He's elusive, deceptively fast and so strong he's hard to tackle. But should your QB have all of his eggs in that basket, especially when guys like Riley (or Daniel Jones of the Giants, Riley's prototype predecessor at Duke) are BOUND TO GET HURT, given both THEIR LENGTH and the amount of POTENTIAL PUNISHMENT they're looking at?

What you want in a QB is balance and certainly the ability to MAKE ALL OF THE THROWS.

My concern is that Riley is one headhunting 4.5/40 LB away from serious injury via a BLINDSIDED HIT.
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443 I agree with your assessment. It’s always a risk that your running QB will get hurt. I’m sure teams will sell out to stop the run. I think the coaches have to come up with a way to pass enough to keep running lanes open. Otherwise they won’t fare well against better teams. Playing to your strength is fine. I’m good with being a running team. But you will need to throw to keep defenses honest. If they can do that, they have a chance. I will be curious to see how opposing teams defend ND and how ND responds.
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NDgreatestofalltime! said:
Both are true.

ND is definitely better than they showed last week, and Purdue is a terrible team.

I have complete confidence that NIU would beat their behinds badly as well.

Freeman has now lost to NIU, Marshall, and a 3 win Stanford team who’s only other wins that year were against Colgate and 2 win ASU. I’m rooting for the guy but I just don’t have confidence in him right now.
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I give him a pass for 2022 because that was his first season as head coach of Notre Dame. The guy's head must have been spinning. But even in those losses Tyler Buchner didn't help any with a pick-6 against Marshall, and Tommy Rees didn't help any with his play calling against Stanford.

The loss to NIU was as bad as they come, but I can think of lots of games against average opponents that ND should have destroyed only to squeak by them, and that game was set up to end in a close ND victory if not for a Riley Leonard brain fart on our second to last possession.

While I'm not ready to cast Freeman aside (and the idea that this is a serious topic after a 66-7 win is ridiculous) I agree his chances of long-term success at ND are limited.
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Today’s performance just proves my point about Freeman

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futuredomer said:
Exactly you've never seen real ND football! The fact you are the only one that kind of rides Golson5 jock in making excuses for RL tells me all I need to know.
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For what it's worth, I'm 66 and I've seen plenty of real Notre Dame football, including losses to very average teams and crushing defeats to our biggest rivals and more than my share of close victories over teams we should have walloped.

Losing to Northern Illinois was about as bad as it gets, and I agree that first-time coaches always face a steep, if not impossible, climb at Notre Dame, but I think, despite his tendency to speak in coach-speak word salad, you can't close the book on Freeman yet. He's not going to win a NC this year, and he may not ever win one, but I still see enough good in him as a head coach to give him a couple of more years.

And that includes my skepticism with Riley Leonard as a our starting QB for the rest of the season.
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Today’s performance just proves my point about Freeman

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futuredomer said:
I'm not surprised! Lol the first highlight on ESPN halftime show was RL staggering for his 34 yard td RUN and the announcer said RL didn't come to ND to throw a TD pass, everyone laughed. So even in a 66-7 win our QB gets mocked cause they know exactly what most of us do and any good coach...RL ISN'T THE ANSWER!
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You're going along with pathetic liberal disgusting ESPN?

You know the kind of shit that network supports? And yet you stand by it and make fun of Notre Dame?

Wow that's weak. You must be a kid.
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Today’s performance just proves my point about Freeman

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Surviving games on this schedule won't be enough to get into the playoffs. Keep in mind, the national media and pundits were touting how Notre Dame should run the table with this schedule. Even the posters here were chiming in with 12-0 and 11-1 (that one being USC most likely). Well then.....should ND win out...are they in? I don't think so unless the wins are in dominent fashion, including USC. Thats the only way to transform the NIU debacle into a fluke. Any argument has to be a strong one. How ND wins is half the battle....the winning is the other half. Thats where the NIU damage was done.
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Loss refocused the team NOT Freeman

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The trademark of all the first time Head Coaches before him and now Freeman. ND will always have the talent to pretty much beat anyone on any given Saturday. We have seen guys like Faust, Davie, Weis, and Freeman win big games. Freeman fan boys love to peacock over "big wins" over Clemson in 2022, USC 2023, and now Texas A&M in 2024, but those wins are completely nullified by horrific losses to Marshall 2022, Stanford 2022, Louisville 2023, Clemson 2023, and NIU 2024.

Faust won 1982 home opener, vs #10 Michigan first game ever played under the lights at ND.
Faust won a 1982 road game vs #1 undefeated Pitt and Dan Marino. The team still finished 6-4-1 and did not go to a bowl game
Faust in 1984, ND went on the road beat #7 LSU and #14 USC to turn the rivalry around. Team finished 7-5
Davie 1997 went on the road and beat #7 LSU The team finished 7-6
Davie 1998 beat #5 Michigan at home The team finished 9-3
Davie 1999 beat #23 OU at home (Bob Stoops first team at OU ND finished 5-7
Davie 2000 beat #25 Texas A&M and #13 Purdue (Drew Bees) at home ND finished 9-3
Weis 2005 beat #25 Pitt and #3 Michigan on the road ND finished 9-3
Weis 2006 beat #19 Penn State at home

If you will go back in history you will see that ND only plays on average about 2 or 3 teams a year that end up ranked in the Top 25. Meaning they play 9-10 gams a year vs unranked opponents.

Does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that priority #1, is to take care of unranked opponents and teams you are favored to beat. That will pretty much guarantee ND 10 wins per year in the regular season, That is why ND was 54-9 under Kelly his last 5 seasons, and why ND is 21-9 under Freeman through 2.3 seasons. When the ND program was handed to Freeman it was 11-1, #5 and had won 40 games in a row vs unranked opponents.

The recruiting has allegedly improved, the talent has allegedly improved, why has the record gotten worse? Coaching inexperience. Freeman needs to win out and make the playoffs to reverse all the history I just laid out.

Everyone is talking about USC the last game of the year, that game in prime time I am not worried about, the players will sense that is a big game and be ready. My worries are Louisville, G Tech, and 0-3 FSU. Those are the games ND may not be ready for, and all those teams have enough talent to beat ND. Lose any of those game and this season is officially a disaster.
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Purdue Post Game Thoughts

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1. Did not expect that, it was nice to see the team bounce back, honestly it makes last weeks performance even more baffling, but oh well. Again I will be interested to see how we come out at home next week. Big swings of emotion the first 3 games.

2. Leonard/ oline injuries… Going forward the Leonard offense will beat Miami Ohio/ Army types easily. I do not expect to win the Louisville game at this time. He still can’t complete passes downfield. Brohm will clog up our running game, and will be able to score enough on our D. I hope I am wrong.

3. For me the big picture is again our QB development, and the lack of cohesion. I don’t know why this program had a crush on Riley Leonard ( great kid) from the moment he was injured last year. I still think Angeli gives us the best shot against the Louisville , Ga Tech and USC going forward… Idk maybe I’m wrong and this could be a turning point for Leonard, but in 2 weeks I fully expect a frustrating performance against Louisville.
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Develop a QB

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NDinNJ said:
Riley Leonard is horrible. The offense is one dimensional. A legitimate defense will shut down the offense. The backup QB's have 100% of ND's passing TD's They are not trotting out the best QB on that roster, it's evident from the games we've seen.
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Marcus Freeman + Mike Denbrock + the rest of the offensive assistant coaches + all the offensive analysts on the Notre Dame staff apparently are masochists suiciding their careers to leave the better QB on the bench because they are butt-hurt about the QB being a Brian Kelly leftover?

Makes no sense.
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Develop a QB

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chaseball said:
MF has millions of dollars on the line. The only thing he's considering as it relates to his depth chart, is getting the best/most productive players on his 85-man roster into live game action.
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Riley Leonard is horrible. The offense is one dimensional. A legitimate defense will shut down the offense. The backup QB's have 100% of ND's passing TD's They are not trotting out the best QB on that roster, it's evident from the games we've seen.
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Develop a QB

chaseball
NDinNJ said:
It's clear to everyone on the planet including the staff, except a few of the mentally challenged that Angeli is the guy.

That said, Angeli is the lone holdover from the Kelly era in that QB room. the last QB, Kelly/Rees recruited, and it almost feels as though MF wants nothing to do with that at the most important position on the offense for whatever reason. They have brought in 2 average to below average QB's the last 2 seasons in an attempt to upgrade the QB position instead of going with and developing what they have, and it's backfired. It's backfired because we've heard nothing but how talented this team is and they are a playoff team.

It's just strange to me that you stick with a QB that can't make throws and is struggling when you have someone sitting on the bench that can, and has proven it time and time again. It's bizarre.
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MF has millions of dollars on the line. The only thing he's considering as it relates to his depth chart, is getting the best/most productive players on his 85-man roster into live game action. And since he has way more access to the players, over many many reps, tests, etc. you kind of just have to give the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt because we don't have enough access (or experience for that matter) to have an educated opinion on the topic.
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Develop a QB

NDinNJ
88ND said:
He's better than Brian Kelly but remember...
The same Brian Kelly who got exactly one win against a top 5 team...
At home...with their backup QB...in a weird covid year.
In 12 years.

MF is doing better than Brian Kelly. Pretty much even messing up the QB position.

That doesn't say much.
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It's clear to everyone on the planet including the staff, except a few of the mentally challenged that Angeli is the guy.

That said, Angeli is the lone holdover from the Kelly era in that QB room. the last QB, Kelly/Rees recruited, and it almost feels as though MF wants nothing to do with that at the most important position on the offense for whatever reason. They have brought in 2 average to below average QB's the last 2 seasons in an attempt to upgrade the QB position instead of going with and developing what they have, and it's backfired. It's backfired because we've heard nothing but how talented this team is and they are a playoff team.

It's just strange to me that you stick with a QB that can't make throws and is struggling when you have someone sitting on the bench that can, and has proven it time and time again. It's bizarre.
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