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Golson5 said:
It will be talked about when this 2 teams are battling for position.

How teams played against common opponents is always a factor

And if we played better against Purdue and SC there's a good chance that puts us above PSU

Use your head
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No, strength of schedule will be talked about. Look up any of the services that rank strength of schedule. They ALL have PSU with a fairly significant better strength of schedule than ND. PSU SoS is in the 30's-40's, ND's is in the 50's-80's. That's what the committee is going to look at, not that ND beat Purdue by 59 and PSU only beat them by 39. that's foolish, but I should expect that from a fool.
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echowaker said:
Nothing comes easy to the opponent. Few if any big plays and having to drive the length of the field against this defense is not a recipe for success. The rehashing of NIU is just noise. It happened. Can't change it. They've been as impressive as any team in the country since then regardless of schedule. It's wide open this year and ND has as good a chance as any to win it all.
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Agreed about rehashing NIU. Jesus, let it go, people! I guess I do it too, but mainly to emphasize how insignificant and ancient history it is. Or to fuss over how it affects our ranking, which is irrelevant to anything substantive and just idle talk. And maybe a blessing in disguise if it totally galvanized the team and staff for the rest of the season, which it seemingly has. We absolutely have been dominant, pretty much is the word for it, since then, and will be a force to be reckoned with in the playoff. I'll go so far as to say we can win it. With this team, the way we're playing right now. And we don't need to do anything different or better, just keep rolling.
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IrishMike409 said:
Telx-

Where do you think we're weak on the OL? Are there any spots where we'll flat-out get pounded and overwhelmed vs better comp?
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Yesterday the OL failed to push in power up the middle situations against a smaller Army. Some argued numbers. But a jumbo package should still get push.

I'm not saying flat out overwhelmed...but if Army can make a stand against the ND OL, you'd think this might be a margin of difference against a really good team.

It's a legitimate question and concern. Again, maybe things get corrected by then?
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banmate6 said:
ND might be able to hang with favored Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, and Georgia to beat them.

ND can hang with the rest of a tight pack, as others have described it, to be 50:50.

I saw the Wisconsin and Oregon game. Just like with ND, take it in holistic across the season context. Oregon pulled it out when they were lackluster...and have hit heights and consistency in a tough schedule ND hasn't.

And even with Georgia, play their schedule. You seem to think the SEC has severely declined, but I disagree. Any team would find it tough to play Florida and South Carolina in their homes...teams capable of a surge game to beat other decent teams.

All good, everybody has their opinion. I tune my based on these discussions. I posted overall where I stand. A top 4 with a tight pack after that...where ND is fully justified.
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Miami destroyed Florida by 24 at Florida. Do they get the credit for that?

Old Dominion lost by 4 at South Carolina

This overrating the SEC this year is just wild. They used to be by far the best conf in cfb. Now the gap is very small.
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Is Marcus Freeman already getting fed up with ND brass too?

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Golson5 said:
Along with us if we play better against SC, yes it will be a factor. Absolutely
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I didn't realize you were on the committee. Does ND deserve to be ranked ahead of PSU? I believe ND is a better team.

If you look at what the committee looks at which is strength of schedule and NOT margin of victory between common opponents, you would see that no matter which service you look at, PSU has a fairly significant better strength of schedule than ND. Therefore there is no reason for the committee to place ND ahead of PSU, unless PSU loses to Maryland this week, that's the reality.
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Nothing comes easy to the opponent. Few if any big plays and having to drive the length of the field against this defense is not a recipe for success. The rehashing of NIU is just noise. It happened. Can't change it. They've been as impressive as any team in the country since then regardless of schedule. It's wide open this year and ND has as good a chance as any to win it all.
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A bad call that would’ve kept an IU drive going (already up 7-0) instead resulting in a 3rd and 6 sack, along w/ a fumbled snap on a punt that gave osu the ball at the IU five yd line and an 80 yd punt return propelled the osu win. The game was way closer than the score. Three plays defined the game. All went osu’s way and the one that opened the floodgates was the horrendous call that should’ve kept that drive going. Osu can be had and Indiana is pretty good, imo.
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Telx1 said:
It was that egregiously bad, and EVERYBODY acknowledges this! But it is one game of 11 played by ND, and ND has not only won the other 10, but has increasingly looked very good doing so. My stated concern coming into this season was the play of the OL; and frankly, that is still my concern when we go up against better competition. As for whether we should be ranked ahead or behind Penn St., I have no opinion as I’ve only seen Penn St play once. But you’ve watched every ND game, and you refuse to marginalize their one shitty second game of a highly successful season to date.
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Telx-

Where do you think we're weak on the OL? Are there any spots where we'll flat-out get pounded and overwhelmed vs better comp?
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Golson5 said:
Can ND hang with the top 4....

Has anyone watched the top 4 this year?

There are no great teams this year. Wisconsin had Oregon on the ropes. Nebraska had OSU on the ropes. Arkansas had Texas on the ropes. Psu lol

Who are you talking about?
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ND might be able to hang with favored Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, and Georgia to beat them.

ND can hang with the rest of a tight pack, as others have described it, to be 50:50.

I saw the Wisconsin and Oregon game. Just like with ND, take it in holistic across the season context. Oregon pulled it out when they were lackluster...and have hit heights and consistency in a tough schedule ND hasn't.

And even with Georgia, play their schedule. You seem to think the SEC has severely declined, but I disagree. Any team would find it tough to play Florida and South Carolina in their homes...teams capable of a surge game to beat other decent teams.

All good, everybody has their opinion. I tune my based on these discussions. I posted overall where I stand. A top 4 with a tight pack after that...where ND is fully justified.
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Telx1 said:
It was that egregiously bad, and EVERYBODY acknowledges this! But it is one game of 11 played by ND, and ND has not only won the other 10, but has increasingly looked very good doing so. My stated concern coming into this season was the play of the OL; and frankly, that is still my concern when we go up against better competition. As for whether we should be ranked ahead or behind Penn St., I have no opinion as I’ve only seen Penn St play once. But you’ve watched every ND game, and you refuse to marginalize their one shitty second game of a highly successful season to date.
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Solid points. I highlighted a specific one you made. Throw on RL and Denbrock.

Against, like you said...better competition!

That is my focus and concern.

Again, ND can go in any game in my book with any opponent 50:50 by now...with those specific concerns that might make the margin of difference...but would not be favored vs Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, and Texas.

I'll keep beating the dead horse: I weight things like this because of the NIU loss and schedule. I will champion ND, my team...but as a long suffering fan since 1988, I've seen various situations. The burden of proof is on The Irish.

I'm seeing crystal sparkles of hope...praying they materialize. Maybe this is the year?
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banmate6 said:
I agree the NIU has gotten less damaging as this season unfolds. Again, much as I am an ND fan, it still has some weight...particularly in lieu of the schedule. It is easier to recover, roll, and get stronger with this schedule.

ND deserves its ranking. For me the question remains: can ND hang with and beat the top 4? Hard to tell given the greater context.

I am sold on the ND defense. But will Denbrock play calling be a liability against a much better team? Will RL still having deep issues be a concern against a much better team? Will the OL be consistent, especially in power situations against a much better team?

We will find out. Starting next week...with, God willing, a victory to face better teams in the playoffs.

My final verdict for this week: ND is in that middle you describe, but not in that front 4...and yes, evenly matched with Penn State, although strictly speaking I rank them 1 spot ahead of the Irish because of the loss and schedule thing...on a technically...as it'd be 50:50 right now for me between them.
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Can ND hang with the top 4....

Has anyone watched the top 4 this year?

There are no great teams this year. Wisconsin had Oregon on the ropes. Nebraska had OSU on the ropes. Arkansas had Texas on the ropes. Psu lol

Who are you talking about?
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IrishMike409 said:
It's about to be December, and all you want to talk about is a shitty game that was clearly a fluke, played in early September.

A lot has happened since then. If I could sum it up: we've kicked everyone's ass. Dominated everyone. The D and the run game are both elite. Leonard gets better every Saturday too. Freeman has this team absolutely rolling.

There's 6 maybe 8 teams that can go and win this thing, and we're right in the middle of it all.

You're mad over it.
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I agree the NIU has gotten less damaging as this season unfolds. Again, much as I am an ND fan, it still has some weight...particularly in lieu of the schedule. It is easier to recover, roll, and get stronger with this schedule.

ND deserves its ranking. For me the question remains: can ND hang with and beat the top 4? Hard to tell given the greater context.

I am sold on the ND defense. But will Denbrock play calling be a liability against a much better team? Will RL still having deep issues be a concern against a much better team? Will the OL be consistent, especially in power situations against a much better team?

We will find out. Starting next week...with, God willing, a victory to face better teams in the playoffs.

My final verdict for this week: ND is in that middle you describe, but not in that front 4...and yes, evenly matched with Penn State, although strictly speaking I rank them 1 spot ahead of the Irish because of the loss and schedule thing...on a technically...as it'd be 50:50 right now for me between them.
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Would he? Should he?

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THUNDERSTRUCK111 said:
Even Nolan Ryan got yanked. Players have bad games sometimes. Smart coaches find ways to create a spark. Heck saban benched Milroe

I may be in the minority here but I believe if angelli got a series or two vs NIU we’d be unbeaten right now. Jmo.
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Yeah I agree. I think he got injured early.

If he gets injured, they should play Angeli. If not, no
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