chaseball said:

I've made some heavy edits to pretty much every post in this thread as a result of poor grammer due to voice transcription. So I would go back and reread my posts where I tried to clarify my point and delete some of the distracting parallels I was drawing to Major League baseball.

Anyway every business wants a 100% guarantee return on their investment but that's just not how the business world works.

I think what economist do is try to figure out what the fair market value is for a prospect with the built in risk of the investment being considered in that cost.

So like I said will Bryce Underwood specifically return the 10 million on Michigan's investment ? Who knows ...

But is it worth it to invest 10 million into a prospect of his caliber who may fully reach his potential? Yes very much so is my opinion

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Holycrossover3 said:

So many variables in today’s college football.

Dante Moore was “Underwood” 2 years ago. I wonder if UCLA is enjoying their investment? Or if Ohio State enjoyed their Quinn Ewers investment?

I’ll say this, it’s really easy to risk money that isn’t yours.

Below I’ve left a link for you to ND’s NIL collective. You can donate/send a message as to how the NIL should be run at ND, probably more productive than posting on this board.

https://www.fundfoundation.org/

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NDinNJ said:

There are expenses as well. Plus they are supporting the other non-revenue sports. You're a moron. Go to school and take a couple of business and finance classes. I've included a recent report below. from the chart in the article you take the revenue and SUBTRACT the expenses to get the NET revenue, which may not even be the profit, but let's say it is, Ohio State most revenue, but just under $25 million after expenses. math is your friend, I suggest you brush up.

Add in the fact that you have no clue what or how Notre Dame is spending their revenue, you're simply assuming. You have a very unhealthy relationship with college football in general, and I highly suggest you seek professional help, because you appear to be psychotic.

USA Today releases Top 25 revenue earning college athletic programs for 2022

USA Today has released a database of the total revenue produced by college programs during the 2022-23 athletics year.

www.on3.com

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chaseball said:

As for whether or not Bryce Underwood is worth it I think any business investment comes with a certain degree of risk. So Even though he may not be worth 10 million specifically it might still be a really good business practice to risk 10 million at the chance that a prospect of his caliber fully reaches his potential and the organization strikes gold

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Holycrossover3 said:

That comparison is, well, something alright.

I’m not sure political reasons are the only reason here. I think paying high school kids millions of dollars is a great risk. Go through the rivals top 10 QBs over the last 10 years and tell me how many you believe were worth “Top 10 Money.” I bet it will be lower than you think.

Is Underwood worth $12M? Time will tell. The only thing I know is Michigan fans could care less if he is because a billionaire wrote the check, they’re just happy he’s on their team.

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chaseball said:

Notre Dame has one of the highest endowment in all of college football. Notre Dame football is a billion dollar enterprise making hundreds of millions of dollars in sales per year in and of itself

10 million for the number one consensus prospect in college football in this industry and for the opportunity to find your star QB for the next 3 to 4 years is chump change

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Holycrossover3 said:

Sounds like a salary cap should be coming for NIL then, unless this is Major League Baseball.

By the way, do you know who Larry Ellison is? He’s the 2nd richest person on earth, worth $231 Billion, he lead the charge for Underwood. $10M to him is like, idk maybe $3 to us? Probably less. If someone like him gets behind a program and continues to lead NIL funding, it’s over. Just overpay well over market value. How could anyone compete?

But maybe you can email Elon Musk and see if he wants to join us. Anyone know if he’s Catholic?

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chaseball said:

What do you think happens when one player signs a major NIL deal? He sets the market for the next number one consensus prospect comes along. Conversations will start at 10 million going forward.

I don't think people realize just how much money is involved in college football 10 million is relative chump change

That's why I made the point that Notre Dame should be out in the forefront right now dumping tons of money on all the best prospects in the country because prospects are at their cheapest point as I'm typing this then they will probably ever be. And by the time Notre Dame adjusts to the new market there won't be any competitive advantage to be had anymore and they'll be needing to spend this kind of money just to stay relevant instead of getting ahead

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Holycrossover3 said:

On3 reported this evening that Bryce’s offer was $1.5M from LSU (are they not a big program?) It’s being reported Michigan offered $10.5-$12M. Pretty substantial gap.

I know of very few athletes being offered this amount of cash out of high school, but apparently everyone but ND is doing it…

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chaseball said:

It's not just Michigan it's pretty much every modern power and historic power in the sport serious about competing for national titles

they are spending upwards of 25 to 30 plus million a year in NIL on their roster but Notre Dame fans think they are going to win a national title by spending a few million on ACC 4th year seniors, bringing back their own fourth and fifth years, and signing three and four star prospects 😂

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IrishMike409 said:

Do you think we have a chance to win it this year? Final 4? Playoff win? What are your expectations for the rest of this season?

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chaseball said:

It's not just Michigan it's pretty much every modern power and historic power in the sport serious about competing for national titles

they are spending upwards of 25 to 30 plus million a year in NIL on their roster but Notre Dame fans think they are going to win a national title by spending a few million on ACC 4th year seniors and three and four star prospects lol

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futuredomer said:

I wouldn't play for him if he was coaching at the only school still playing CFB!

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Holycrossover3 said:

This isn’t Barstool money. Michigan released a statement and the first names that were mentioned were Larry Ellison & his wife. Billionaire money is a different level. Michigan appears to be competing with the likes of Oregon on NIL spend.

https://www.championscircleuofm.com/thosewhostayhome

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savvyandsassier said:

Of all the places for him to end up. Michigan is the worst passing team in the P4. Dead last. So bad that you could say it cost them their season. And instead of becoming the next Jayden Daniels, which was definitely the plan for him, why he picked LSU, he can be the next JJ McCarthy, with no Harbaugh. I guess he's a guaranteed true frosh starter, by default. And I could easily imagine that scumbag from Barstool sports tying to hold out on him and screw him on the deal.

Anyway, F BK, right?

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chaseball said:

Notre Dame and the other blue bloods like them are doing about 100 to 200 million per season in sales and a business with the margins like those in college football are worth billions of dollars (10x annual revenue).

A lot of these blue bloods will take the money from football and reinvest it back into football to grow the product or they'll take the money from football and they'll distribute it to the other sports in their athletic department to be competitive in those other sports even if those other sports aren't making money and then they'll claim that the athletic department isnt profitable despite the football program being extremely profitable in and of itself (this is the oldest PR trick in the book) but I digress

Football careers are extremely short you risk permanent damage to your brain and you risk the kind of injury that could end your career at any moment. These star players producing big numbers for their colleges should be making millions of dollars during their prime earning years which is as early as freshmans in college. There is little chance to make it to the NFL and when you get there your window for earning is about 3 years on average

Notre Dame talks about taking care of these recruits when they walk into the recruits house and talk to their parents

But how are you looking after these kids who have one opportunity to cash in on their extremely marketable and valuable skills when you are actively trying to regress the economic power that these recruits have in college football by trying to suppress their ability to earn fair market value for the labor they produce?

I don't understand how Notre Dame doesn't see the hypocrisy

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USA Today releases Top 25 revenue earning college athletic programs for 2022

USA Today has released a database of the total revenue produced by college programs during the 2022-23 athletics year.

www.on3.com

raulduke_007 said:

It makes no sense to you because you dont know what you are doing. You dont know what to look for in recruits or evaluate/project them at the next level so stop talking out of your ass sport. Im old enough to remember when you thought Moore, Bowen & the DE from Chitown were the elite talent ND needed to compete for titles. Turns out ND is thriving without them & the kids you were down on as not being good enough have put together a 1 loss season to date & are primed for a playoff run & will likely be ranked in the top 5 once the season ends.
Under Freeman ND has recruited elite players at every position with the exception of WR. ND has one of the deepest & most talented back 7 that is only getting deeper in the country. Our oline recruiting is the envy of CFB. Our QB room is deep. Our RB room is loaded. If Traore & Botehlo come back healthy we will have a great DE rotation next yr.. DT is the only real worry on D next year.

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