Conference Championship Losers
- By sjb75
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He lives and dies by star ratings given to high school players by groups that are clearly subjective . It's about as an inexact science you'll find this side of NFL draft evaluators.Yep. For reasons unknown, the OP continues to insist that teams should be evaluated by some obscure formula, as opposed to how they play on the field. Very strange.
That's fair.Well, Purdue sure isn't one of them powerhouse programs this season!
Well to be fair, everything about that 'formula', consists of data points derived from the games themselves. It's just that wins and losses, which really is all the fuss is about when it comes to sports, are just a data point, possibly not even an important one. The main data points comprise things like 3rd down efficiency, how many big chunk plays you make, your red zone performance, how well you compile various statistics versus different opponents in different conditions, etc. It's just data, data, data, data. And they write some algorithm that shuffles the data points, these mathematical figures, through some process, some elaborate series of equations. And when it's all done they spit out a number. And then they rank the teams by who has the highest number. And apparently it's felt that its possible, by way of these equations, to arrive at a 'score', we'll call it, by which you can make some not completely undue or misplaced or inappropriate claim of who the best teams really are. On account of a proper appreciation of what teams accomplish on the field, in what circumstances, over the course of a game, the the course of a season. When the ball is snapped, and a play is attempted and completed. And of course this goes for both offense and defense, both orientations. And the various categories of play on the field that can be measured numerically in some fashion, and then thrown into the mix to be mathematically processed and factored into the final numerical score, is large. I suppose you have to draw the line somewhere, and not every key component to success on the football field is easily quantifiable, but that's a judgement call for the little code writers on their keyboards to decide. One would think they work with coaches and football people when constructing these algorithms, so when all the computing is finished, and the score is revealed, that you picked the right statistical considerations to prioritize or not, so that justice could sort of be served? But I don't know....Yep. For reasons unknown, the OP continues to insist that teams should be evaluated by some obscure formula, as opposed to how they play on the field. Very strange.
Army has scored 20 and 14 points respectively in their last 2 games against really bad teams. How much can they expect to score against arguably the best defense in the country ?Yep, I think Navy is better than Army IMO (maybe no last few weeks) but I thought they were clearly better rolling into our game.
Yep, I think Navy is better than Army IMO (maybe no last few weeks) but I thought they were clearly better rolling into our game.Army has not played anyone yet who comes remotely close to the talent, speed, athleticism and physicality of ND. Their schedule is mostly the bottom feeders of college football. Barring a rash of turnovers by the offense I believe ND wins quite decisively.
Army has not played anyone yet who comes remotely close to the talent, speed, athleticism and physicality of ND. Their schedule is mostly the bottom feeders of college football. Barring a rash of turnovers by the offense I believe ND wins quite decisively.We didn’t think Navy would beat us with Weiss. We didn’t think Tulsa would beat us with BK. We didn’t think NIU would beat us with Marcus.
On paper, it’s an easy win for ND. Should be 28-6 type game due to ball control I don’t think Nd gets much out of the 20’s.
You can see teams are getting between 5-8 series. Put up 3, 3 and outs as we did with VA and your in the 28 range. .
ND’s offense must stay on the field and get points and our FG kicker better perform.
Army when they cross the 50 will be in 4 down territory. It’s a tough offense to limit to less that 2.5 yards per carry.
Gonna need a TO or two to put up good numbers I think and they don’t give up TO’s.
Have a feeling we win but we will all be frustrated.
and who was the coach when NIU beat us moron?Weis.
Draft kings has it at 6.5We have to get by Army and USC and we’re only a four-point favorite at USC.
Don’t get ahead of yourself, we are not in the playoffs yet
Meaningless. Games are actually played on the field.
Even your nonsense doesn't make sense and we already know you don't even believe in your own F+ rankingsYes there's a clear top 5 in F+ rating (5 teams way out infront of the rest of the pack, with OSU WAAY out in front in a tier of their own)
These tier 1 teams (including Georgia who is at #6) also are way out in front in team talent composite as per 247. These are the teams that have 15, 20, 25+ more 5 star players and top 100 players on their 85 man roster than ND does (in another talent tier entirely). Ole Miss being the only exception--but Lane Kiffin is one of those coaches who has proven that he's able to produce elite F+ seasons with subpar talent (these coaches are far and few between). His roster is also loaded with TONS of transfers that are not comprehensively reflected in the 247 talent rankings.
Basically if ND faces any of these top 5 or 6 teams they'll be a major underdog and probably get ran over yet again. Even if they don't get ran over, the chances that they'll actually win these games is far too low for a team of NDs resources. And its embarrassing that year after year ND essentially heads into the regular season with the same program handicap unable to compete with the top teams in college football (but its disguised by their shit-tier schedule vs the ACC & G5).
Moreover, NDs 2025 recruiting class is down to #14 in the country with only like 1 or 2 players in the composite top 100 (and its yet another recruiting class without a single 5-star commit). The problems are GLARING AND OBVIOUS and apparently im the only one that seems to be able to make the connection between this lack of talent and NDs current standing in the hierarchy of college football.
I've been making one variation of this post or another for nearly 1.5 decades now and even with the benefit of hindsight over that time, i'm still viewed by a segment of this board as a troll who is spouting nonsense to rile up the board. That's why I ask: how many more decades of hindsight do we need where im proven correct over and over again before I earn the benefit of the doubt?
SEC is significantly more difficult than the ACC.ACC is just as tough as the SEC. ESPN will never argue that though. I should have said unless Alabama or Georgia are conference champs they won't jump an 11-1 ND.
Meaningless. Games are actually played on the field.Yes there's a clear top 5 in F+ rating (5 teams way out infront of the rest of the pack, with OSU WAAY out in front in a tier of their own)
These tier 1 teams (including Georgia who is at #6) also are way out in front in team talent composite as per 247. These are the teams that have 15, 20, 25+ more 5 star players and top 100 players on their 85 man roster than ND does (in another talent tier entirely). Ole Miss being the only exception--but Lane Kiffin is one of those coaches who has proven that he's able to produce elite F+ seasons with subpar talent (these coaches are far and few between). His roster is also loaded with TONS of transfers that are not comprehensively reflected in the 247 talent rankings.
Basically if ND faces any of these top 5 or 6 teams they'll be a major underdog and probably get ran over yet again. Even if they don't get ran over, the chances that they'll actually win these games is far too low for a team of NDs resources. And its embarrassing that year after year ND essentially heads into the regular season with the same program handicap unable to compete with the top teams in college football (but its disguised by their shit-tier schedule vs the ACC & G5).
Moreover, NDs 2025 recruiting class is down to #14 in the country with only like 1 or 2 players in the composite top 100 (and its yet another recruiting class without a single 5-star commit). The problems are GLARING AND OBVIOUS and apparently im the only one that seems to be able to make the connection between this lack of talent and NDs current standing in the hierarchy of college football.
I've been making one variation of this post or another for nearly 1.5 decades now and even with the benefit of hindsight over that time, i'm still viewed by a segment of this board as a troll who is spouting nonsense to rile up the board. That's why I ask: how many more decades of hindsight do we need where im proven correct over and over again before I earn the benefit of the doubt?
Delusional. ND would not be a big underdog to anyone on a neutral field. You're just not paying attention.There was parity in the results earlier in the season but there's now a clear top 5/tier 1. If ND faces any of those top 5 they will be big underdogs. This also lines up with how far behind they are in the team talent composite rankings relative to these tier 1 teams as well.
No there's no dominant team this year. No clear top 5Yes there's a clear top 5 in F+ rating (5 teams way out infront of the rest of the pack, with OSU WAAY out in front in a tier of their own)
These tier 1 teams (including Georgia who is at #6) also are way out in front in team talent composite as per 247. These are the teams that have 15, 20, 25+ more 5 star players and top 100 players on their 85 man roster than ND does (in another talent tier entirely). Ole Miss being the only exception--but Lane Kiffin is one of those coaches who has proven that he's able to produce elite F+ seasons with subpar talent (these coaches are far and few between). His roster is also loaded with TONS of transfers that are not comprehensively reflected in the 247 talent rankings.
Basically if ND faces any of these top 5 or 6 teams they'll be a major underdog and probably get ran over yet again. Even if they don't get ran over, the chances that they'll actually win these games is far too low for a team of NDs resources. And its embarrassing that year after year ND essentially heads into the regular season with the same program handicap unable to compete with the top teams in college football (but its disguised by their shit-tier schedule vs the ACC & G5).
Moreover, NDs 2025 recruiting class is down to #14 in the country with only like 1 or 2 players in the composite top 100 (and its yet another recruiting class without a single 5-star commit). The problems are GLARING AND OBVIOUS and apparently im the only one that seems to be able to make the connection between this lack of talent and NDs current standing in the hierarchy of college football.
I've been making one variation of this post or another for nearly 1.5 decades now and even with the benefit of hindsight over that time, i'm still viewed by a segment of this board as a troll who is spouting nonsense to rile up the board. That's why I ask: how many more decades of hindsight do we need where im proven correct over and over again before I earn the benefit of the doubt?
“ACC is just as tough as the SEC.”ACC is just as tough as the SEC. ESPN will never argue that though. I should have said unless Alabama or Georgia are conference champs they won't jump an 11-1 ND.
ACC is just as tough as the SEC. ESPN will never argue that though. I should have said unless Alabama or Georgia are conference champs they won't jump an 11-1 ND.You sure?
The SEC is a very deep conference this year. SCe and UK are not easy games. Even sub .500 Auburn has lost 5 games by 10 points or less.