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Connor Weigman absolutely sucked. Obviously our defense had something do with that, a lot to do with it. But the idea that this plodding, thus-far underachieving, very likely to be yet another five star bust/disappointment QB was all set to shred ND apart and take his place in the pantheon of great QBs of the last thirty years, but our defense was such a towering colossus that we made him look like a shitty walk-on instead, is not accurate. It's in the same vein as the whole Anthonie Knapp is an OL of destiny thing that preceded the game.

Knapp got the nod by force of unfortunate circumstance, which happens sometimes and teams have to start a true frosh for lack of a preferred alternative and it is what it is, and it worked out tolerably enough and we got the win. And Connor Weigman just plain sucks, even though of course the defense was all over him, and shut him down, and he played like shit. Both with excellent individual play, and presumably good tactical scheming to throw him off his rhythm and whatnot. But he definitely did suck all on his own to the point where it was almost annoying, and insulting. As if to say, god damn dude, you suck. How many times are you going to miss your WRs that are being well defended, but not that well defended, and make some shitty lame throw that lands at their feet, or sails ten feet over their head?

But whatever, we got the win. And we'll be 11-0 heading into the big USC game, and maybe USC will still be nursing playoff possibilities of their own, as their defense looks much improved...
You write like Jack Kerouac and I enjoy your posts. But assuming 10 straight wins against some teams that could turn out to be pretty good (I worry about Louisville and GT) means this team has come a long way. Winning on road at SEC is huge in itself, but we have the kind of momentum now that all of BK's twerking and accents could not achieve. He was an excellent coach for us, and that should not be denied. But MF really is relatable, and decent, and talented (although watching him learn on the job was sometimes painful). And now we have Shane Gillis (we need to get him to a game) and Pat Macafee and Herbie and his dog on our side. Can youuu smeelll what the Coach is cookin!!

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I'm also very happy about our OLs performance. But there were times we just got flat out whooped by their DL. Riley was getting the ball out extremely fast. He held the ball much less than Weigman which skews this things. Wegmans was holding the ball longer and getting less pressure

But for our OL do just be solid in that game was a huge win for us
With the excitement of our win, I think the numerous mistakes, poor communication, and just plain misses by our inexperienced OL are being badly overlooked. I thought they showed marked improvement as the game wore on, and I have tons of optimism for how good this group can be, but I also think we would be crying about their collective mistakes if not for Leonard and Denbrock.
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BK post pressure….

Notre Dame also suspended and expelled Everett Golson for violating the Honor code. Golson ignored a lot of things in South Bend.
For me, Golson was the most frustrating QB of the Kelly era. Incredible arm, threw a beautiful pass, had athleticism to extend plays and represent a true dual threat, started off like an All American talent. But turnovers, an inability to throw the ball away when no one was open, failure to accept coaching, etc… ruined what looked like a promising career in Kelly’s offense. Him walking past Kelly and just ignoring Kelly’s outbursts was incredibly disrespectful of his obligation as the team’s starting QB…much more an indictment of Golson than Kelly. But as I said, the image of him just ignoring a red faced Kelly screaming over yet another mistake filled series is one hell of a lasting image.

BK post pressure….

Wow. That is a lot of psycho babble. Not sure how one can respond to that.

We are fans on a CFB team message board doing what fans do: discussing topics of interest about the team we follow. You and Savvy get pretty defensive when Brian Kelly is brought up, though you are not nearly as passionate or sensitive on the topic as Savvy is, but why is it you feel that Kelly is immune from criticism? Did he do good things for ND? Undeniably. Is he a very good college football coach? I would say yes, though some may disagree. I am trying to understand why Kelly could never seem to make the leap from being very good to great. He had a great W/L record at Notre Dame. He restored stability to the football program. He did some really good things. But he never won a national championship, and always seemed to stumble on the big stage. Was that failure because, as Kelly famously said, he was "shopping down a different aisle" when it came to recruiting? Or were other factors at play? It is a fair topic of discussion as to why that is so. You, and certainly Savvy, think differently.

Maybe Kelly will make that jump at LSU. Based on the early indications, I don't think he will, but time will be the judge on that. I may hold a different opinion of Kelly if he is able to win a national championship at LSU, but I am not there yet.

If you think we are being unfair to Kelly on this board, spend some time on the ND Nation board. They absolutely revile Kelly over there.

I have a number of friends who are Michigan alums. Years ago they engaged in the same kind of discussions of Bo Schembechler, another HC who was very good but could never seem to win "the big one."

Probably none of us here would like to see our own lives dissected in this manner. But none of us are the head football coach of Notre Dame. The criticism comes with the territory. We all have our own "Mount Rushmore" of ND football coaches, and discussing who is on that mountain is something that fans do. For me that Mount Rushmore is Rockne, Leahy, Parseghian and Holtz. Kelly isn't on it for me, despite his wonderful won/loss record, and he never will be.

I am a huge supporter of Marcus Freeman, and have made that plain in my postings on this board. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but my perception is that you are not a supporter. At the very least, you have your doubts as to whether he is up for the job. That is fine. But how is the criticism of Kelly any different that the doubts you and others have expressed as to Freeman's ability, or the likelihood he will win a NC at Notre Dame?

Contrary to what you and Savvy may think, many of us here don't have some pathological dislike of Kelly. I certainly do not. I recognize him to be an excellent football coach. I am simply curious as to the reasons why he couldn't get over the hump from very good to great, and have expressed my thoughts on the subject on this board.
"Contrary to what you and Savvy may think, many of us here don't have some pathological dislike of Kelly. I certainly do not. I recognize him to be an excellent football coach. I am simply curious as to the reasons why he couldn't get over the hump from very good to great, and have expressed my thoughts on the subject on this board."

I see little to no "pathological" dislike of Kelly here. What dislike exists is a reaction to his coaching, decision-making, demeanor and recruiting deficiencies. You recognize his coaching "excellence", but are curious about why he couldn't get from good to great? How can he be both excellent but only good, not great? He appears to have a track record of demanding loyalty but failing to reciprocate. He disappoints in big games almost always. (The win over Bama in the recent past was an exception). As a side note...Kelly is a prick who can't dance.

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That's fine. Go back and rewatch. I've watched 3x. Their DL got more pressure on Riley without blitzing than we did with blitzes. Their OL created more holes in the run game throughout the game, not just the 2nd half. And they gave up less plays behind the Los

We just have better more talented players surrounding the OL than they did

I understand that's your interpretation and that's cool. It's just not mine.
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