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BK post pressure….

Good for you that you’re dissociating yourself from those on this board who truly HATE Kelly. Because they exist. In one of the posts just following yours, someone referred to him in the usual prickly manner as a PRICK. Not exactly a term of endearment but pretty routine here.

And in line with that, I’m totally comfortable with my comment that people here have an INORDINATE DESIRE to denigrate the man because the evidence for that is EYE-POPPING in every thread in which Kelly appears.

Or else why would Savvy be writing all of those REBUTTAL POSTS? Almost every one of them has been written as a COUNTER-PUNCH to someone launching into an anti-Kelly snark or screed.

And neither of us is being defensive. We’re merely DEFENDING the guy against relentless slurs that CONFLATE his coaching, his character and whatever other cheap-shot opportunity seems handy. I mean, what do I have to be DEFENSIVE about? I’m no more invested in him than you are. I just hate seeing him used as a pinata.

I’m going to ask you to be honest. Do you actually think that a guy who’s been as successful a coach as Kelly – I’ll dispense with all of his accomplishments and assume in good faith that you’re aware of them – is deserving of the LEVEL OF ABUSE he routinely gets on this board? Do you think it is in any way JUSTIFIED?

Because I DON’T.

To me, it’s a pretty BAD LOOK and just another variation of KICK-THE-DOG-BULLYING. And of a guy who isn’t available to defend himself. I find it simply OVER THE TOP. All of this wishing that he fails and that he can’t do this or that. It’s in no way PROPORTIONAL.

As for Freeman, he CLEARLY would not have been my first choice, though not because I have any ANIMUS towards him (and you can verify that by examining my posts in which I’ve never denigrated him once as an individual, nor will I) but because of his lack of experience.

Yet, he’s done well and even if he doesn’t, I GUARANTEE I will never denigrate him as a person. It’s NOT MY STYLE, and it’s POOR FORM which is why when I see people GET VENOMOUS with Kelly, it TURNS ME OFF.

Seriously, why are people heaping abuse on a HIGH PERFORMANCE guy at a level they NEVER GOT TO and whose shoes they couldn’t shine on their best day – at least in his field – who was also the coach who made their team again relevant?

In other words, WHY MUST THE PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD?

And how about that Kelly hired the guy who has been all but anointed as the one who will accomplish everything he himself fell short of?

And sorry if you’re DISMISSIVE of Oedipal references, but as I said – BAD DADDY/GOOD DADDY. BK, BAD; MF, GOOD. It’s the basic WANNABE BINARY employed by school kids. Yet, WE SEE IT HERE.

Normally, I don’t get involved in these Kelly hate-fests, but this time, I thought Savvy’s post was so lights-out that I simply had to acknowledge him in support of his effort. I never like missing the opportunity of crediting someone on a good piece of writing.
OK, 4-4-3, thanks for the thoughtful reply. I always enjoy reading your stuff, even if there may be others here who don't.

As for the denigration of Kelly, apart from his perceived character issues, I think part of it, and maybe even much of it, stems from the way he left ND. Rightfully or not, I think how he departed left a bad taste in the mouths of many ND fans. Leaving was one thing, but leaving in the way he did was quite another. That said, I'm not sure there is any easy way to tell your employer you would rather work somewhere else. And some bosses are beloved, while others are not. Maybe those falling in the latter category are tolerated by the organization and its employees while they are getting the job done, but there is no love lost when they exit for greener pastures. I wouldn't characterize the discussion here about BK as a "hate-fest," as you have, but there is no denying that Brian Kelly seems to be a guy who elicits strong emotions from people. The polar opposite, I suppose, from Dan Devine. Maybe that's just the way it is, and always will be.

As for your take on Freeman, I didn't mean to suggest or imply that you have ever stated any personal animus toward him. I recall you and others expressed doubts as to whether he was the right man for the job when Kelly left, but you made clear your reasons for that position, and none of it was personal.
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Thoughts on Clemson

Yes he can. But it's not something he has to do.

He can also go back to landing very good QBs like Lawrence, Watson and Boyd.
He doesn't have to, but if other teams are using the portal to fill holes in their lineup and you aren't, then you're at a disadvantage. Even Georgia uses it like we do. Their two receivers who caught TD passes Saturday were both transfers, which surprised me when I heard that. But I guess even Georgia has a few holes to fill.

BK post pressure….

There are no red flags. You are very visibly continuing to denigrate BK, unsubtly I would add, and attempting to insinuate whatever doubt about his future or fitness you can that you hope might sound plausible. At least the rude and crude BK haters don't try to get all insidious about it. They just want in on the gang-bang so to speak, and to get their licks in whenever LSU loses a game. You really want to see him go down, you want to watch this man fail and be humiliated. A coach that lifted ND back to perennial playoff contender status, without which who knows where the program would be today, and you want to see him destroyed. That's pathological.
Yeah the majority of ND fans (not all) want to see him fail. And there's nothing wrong with that at all
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BK post pressure….

You left out the part where I said 3 consecutive opening losses is a red flag...and more importantly...the part about "we can't know what LSU determines to be underperforming". But, no worries...I fixed it for you.
There are no red flags. You are very visibly continuing to denigrate BK, unsubtly I would add, and attempting to insinuate whatever doubt about his future or fitness you can that you hope might sound plausible. At least the rude and crude BK haters don't try to get all insidious about it. They just want in on the gang-bang so to speak, and to get their licks in whenever LSU loses a game. You really want to see him go down, you want to watch this man fail and be humiliated. A coach that lifted ND back to perennial playoff contender status, without which who knows where the program would be today, and you want to see him destroyed. That's pathological.
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