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BK post pressure….

Prick is a strong term. It’s defined as “a contemptible or despicable person.” Is that your definition of Brian Kelly?

The term is also routinely used to demonize a person’s character in a complete and categorical way. Is that what you wish to convey in calling Kelly a prick?

Let’s assume that that’s the case and that you view Kelly as contemptible and/or despicable and on that basis look at the reasons you’ve cited to make your point.

And if that’s NOT what you meant, you can clarify that later.

The Interview

Football is a business and as in all businesses, interviews often take place at awkward times. But when money or opportunity calls, few can be so SIMON PURE as to simply hang up the phone.

What ACTUAL HARM that you are directly aware of resulted from Kelly’s taking the interview?

After all, Kelly went on to coach ND – and quite successfully – for another 9 years. And if he had left, you – who are so delighted that he’s gone – would then have been rid of him NINE YEARS SOONER.

Rather than call this episode contemptible, I view it – in terms of its ultimate zero negative impact on ND -- as tantamount to a NON-EVENT.

Assuming, of course, that had Kelly left, ND’s next coach or coaches wouldn’t have gone on to win more than the 85 additional games Kelly did in the same time span.

Blowing Smoke

I’ve heard this story, but what’s its source? How many degrees of separation from its FIRST TELLING to its appearance in YOUR POST? Do you know?

And what exactly is the allegation? That Kelly was hiding his intentions or even a done deal? Was he not still technically working for ND? If so, what was he supposed to do – tell the kid's parents he was moving on? Was it still not his job to recruit the kid for ND?

Seems to me he was in an inherently conflicted situation where one way or another, there'd be COLLATERAL DAMAGE.

But then, I don’t know all of the facts, so I’ll stop there. But then, do you? And if so, again, what’s your first-hand source? Your evidence as opposed to hearsay.

Berating Crist

Were you around the many times both Nick Saban and Lou Holtz threw sideline tantrums and got up in players’ faces? How about Woody Hayes or Lombardi? Or Billy Martin?

Have you ever read about Bear Bryant’s preseason workouts at Texas A&M? And how about Holtz grabbing a player by his face mask and dragging him off the field in a game in which ND had already laid over 40 points on an elite MSU defense? There's film on it -- MSU/ND 91 Highlights. It comes right at the end. And actually, I think Holtz did it more than once.

All of those guys WON TITLES, but does that absolve them of being pricks? Because according to your definition as it relates to Kelly, that’s what they were. And as such, why haven’t they been castigated the way Kelly is. And NONE of them ever has been.

But then, this is sports. Athletic combat. Some guys have short fuses, and they blow. Is it contemptible behavior? Not in my book. After all, what is football, REALLY, if not a sanctioned, ruled-based domain in which the point is to KNOCK THE SNOT OUT OF SOMEBODY.

And then if you win -- which all of those guys did -- ALL IS FORGIVEN.

Talking Down ND.

Taking digs at institutions -- even ones you work for -- and talking behind peoples’ backs are two of life’s MOST ENDURING -- or is it ENDEARING? -- PASTIMES, and EVERYONE DOES IT. Yet, I fail to see how this makes us all pricks.

Not to minimize your sense of offense at this, but I think that with this one we’re talking no more than foot faults or at most peccadillos.

My Take

I never saw Brian Kelly as either an easy or natural fit at ND and always felt that he’d taken the job with one eye on the door from the GET-GO. He either suspected or flatout knew – and in my opinion, rightly so – that ND would never give him the degree of autonomy that the best coaches of the best programs routinely get.

And yet, despite that, he was both COMPETENT ENOUGH and PROFESSIONAL ENOUGH to remain at ND for 12 years, winning 113 games, going 12-0 twice in the regular season, making the playoffs twice, and playing once for the NC.

Unfortunately, he IRREDEEMABLY ALIENATED ND FANS TWICE. First, despite coming close, he never won that NC and then at the point where his teams were progressing ever more steadily towards NC-caliber, HE QUIT.

Pardon my bluntness here, but as I see it, those disappointed by Kelly MOVED SEAMLESSLY from CRY-BABYING to SOUR GRAPES.

Had he won an NC and/or not quit ND when he did, WE WOULDN’T BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, all of his ALLEDGED characterological deficiencies notwithstanding. Because, under those circumstances, ND fans, despite any pious protestations to the contrary, wouldn’t have cared a whit.

NOT AT ALL. And with Kelly completely ABSOLVED.

But since none of that happened and he left, people seem to want to keep PUNISHING the guy for whatever degree of satisfaction that affords them. And I suspect it will continue until ND supporters have either something BETTER TO GRIPE ABOUT or a new WHIPPING BOY emerges.
The definition of a prick is wide and varied. A more moderate view is what I have."....The term "prick" is a vulgar slang term for a man who is contemptible or spiteful, and often has some authority." Had I chosen another label which I believe applies, such as A-Hole....I am afraid we would be having an anatomy discussion. There are two things on which we can disagree: Whether Kelly is a prick...and by what degree he is one. I don't place Kelly in the extreme negative category. He would be a moderate prick, in my view. I gave specific examples of why I believe he is a prick. So my definition of the term is relative to those few specific examples.

Schedule

As a fan, going to be a let down after such a high of opening at TAMU. Pretty rough stretch ahead in terms of getting geeked about the games. Noon kickoffs with Navy, Army, No Illinois, Miami Oh, Louisville (used to the worst game on our schedule).

I’d watch an ND scrimmage any day of the week but not clearing my Saturday until
November, which typically revolves around the ND game.
Noon kickoff today ? I don't think so...

Schedule

2 things that pisses me off about the schedule:

1. There 4 G5 schools on the schedule. That should never happen. 1-2 schools max should be allowed on the schedule.
2. No Miami. Now in fairness, it was Miami who backed out. But if they're as good as they looked against Florida. That would have been a great game to see.

With FSU looking like a dumpster fire, the schedule is only getting worse and we're not even through week 2 yet. Yes, things could change. Maybe Georgia Tech ends up being a playoff contender and SC goes undefeated into our late season match up. Time will tell.
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BK post pressure….

OK, 4-4-3, thanks for the thoughtful reply. I always enjoy reading your stuff, even if there may be others here who don't.

As for the denigration of Kelly, apart from his perceived character issues, I think part of it, and maybe even much of it, stems from the way he left ND. Rightfully or not, I think how he departed left a bad taste in the mouths of many ND fans. Leaving was one thing, but leaving in the way he did was quite another. That said, I'm not sure there is any easy way to tell your employer you would rather work somewhere else. And some bosses are beloved, while others are not. Maybe those falling in the latter category are tolerated by the organization and its employees while they are getting the job done, but there is no love lost when they exit for greener pastures. I wouldn't characterize the discussion here about BK as a "hate-fest," as you have, but there is no denying that Brian Kelly seems to be a guy who elicits strong emotions from people. The polar opposite, I suppose, from Dan Devine. Maybe that's just the way it is, and always will be.

As for your take on Freeman, I didn't mean to suggest or imply that you have ever stated any personal animus toward him. I recall you and others expressed doubts as to whether he was the right man for the job when Kelly left, but you made clear your reasons for that position, and none of it was personal.
Thanks for yours as well.

Cheers.
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