Get Nasty said:

The staff is accepting repetitive failure from the same players over and over. We have enough depth to pull people. It doesn't have to be a permanent pull, but a " you play like that again, you'll be right back out".

Agree, i'm sure rudolph doesn't coach it that way, but craig was shocked he was flagged and asking what he did. It was obvious.

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Get Nasty said:

I'm just going by the fact you don't have KVA or Bowen on the RB when split out in coverage EVER when 3 LBS on the field with no one in the backfield. It happened twice for 125 yds.

Either blown coverage or terrible scheme. For it to happen once let alone twice. Something bad happened both plays, coaching or bust, and bust involves coaching since it happened twice.

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echowaker said:

Why is it poor coaching ? If anything it's lazy technique. Craig knows the rules. No one is teaching it that way. Your arguments are nonsensical and suggest coaching is the sole reason they lost. I absolutely guarantee the staff coached last week the exact same way they coached prior to the opener. Programs at the highest level are incredibly structured. Routine is paramount. It's a highly regarded and respected staff. They didn't forget what got them there. They had stinker. It happens.

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echowaker said:

Really ? A guy in his last year of college eligibility needs coached on something so fundamental. You are really showing a true lack of understanding. This isn't junior high. Horrible throw. Solely on the QB. End of story.

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banmate6 said:

I think you are correct honing in on the negatives, as they're egregious.

BK did correct bad losses for the most part. He laid eggs in big situations against better opponents.

Losing to Marshall, Stanford, and NIU is disturbing and a serious regression...my definitive red flag and, therefore, why I consider MF a roll of the dice gone bad. I don't want to fire him.

But I now know MF cannot make ND better. ND has gotten worse with him.

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savvyandsassier said:

Oh yeah, didn't we totally argue about the Croatian MNT, and it all started because I casually, off the cuff mocked Luke Modric because of how ugly he is, and you didn't like that one bit? I have some vague memory on this message board of doing that. And he totally won the ballon d'or even though he probably shouldn't have, but that's just how admired he is as one of the truly great players of his generation? But he is ugly.

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echowaker said:

And you know all of this how ? What coverage was called ? Please tell us so we can all know. I swear you're making things up as you go along. Unless you know each players responsibility it's all speculation. I'm just going by what happened.

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Get Nasty said:

9-3 (losses to Georgia, Miami, and a ranked stanford team)
12-0
10-2 (losses to Georgia and Michigan)
10-0
11-1 (loss to CFP cincinnati)
8-4 (loss to Ohio State, Marshall, Terrible stanford team, and USC)
9-3 (loss to ohio state, louisville, average clemson team)
1-1 (where will we finish up) (loss to NIU)

He inherited a program in GREAT shape, and completely ruined the culture, toughness, and winners mentality that was fixed after the abomination of 2016. ND didn't lose to one team not ranked in the regular season from 2017 - 2021. We've lost to 4 unranked teams in just over 2 years.

Most did not predict us to be 1-1. Most predicted a win, but knew losing at A&M was possible.

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chaseball said:

9-3 vs this schedule is not acceptable

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Harpo Marxist said:

It remains to be seen how a loss like this will affect recruiting. I know its just one game...but when your team is barely recognizable in a game....it raises questions. Its a seismic event in college football circles. Its eerily similiar to Michigan's loss to Appalachian State. Michigan was ranked #5 at the time; dropped out of the Top 25 after the loss and finished the season 8-4. They went on to beat Florida in the Capital One Bowl....but Natty was long gone after that loss.

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NDinNJ said:

Angeli wins that game yesterday. He makes the throws Leonard couldn't. He doesn't miss the open receivers Leonard missed.
There's a reason Harbaugh, Saban, Day, and Kelly all offered Angeli. There's a reason they didn't offer Leonard and why he ended up at Duke.

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Get Nasty said:

Oh yes, everyone on here knows that. How terribly unprepared we were for Louisville AND clemson with awesome environments was enough. Now, i gave him credit for landing denbrock and bringing in what I thought was some good WR portal players and possibly a good QB. Not close to good enough, the problem is freeman is still here.

I wanted freeman gone after FSU 2021 because the defense was so unprepared for that game, and freeman had no clue how to adjust, freeman had to step in and tell him what to do (stop dropping foskey into pass coverage). The defense is typically way ahead of the offense game 1, our D in 2021 was so far behind. Kelly stepped in and had him change the D he developed and coached for 9 months because it was moronic.

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Get Nasty said:

Sneed who was right next to him not KVA. Sneed was the outside backer in that play. KVA had deep responsibility and Sneed had the flat, completely backwards from what it should have been. There was no safety help. You don't want your slower LB having deep coverage with no safety help. We had 3 lbs in on that play, sneed absolutely should have rolled out with Brown and KVA filled in Sneeds position on the line and flat.

It may have been a busted assignment. There's just no way you have a game plan where KVA is 1-1 with the RB and absolutely no help. Sneed, ausberry probably, maybe kiser too, NOT KVA Or Bowen. This was a play NIU ran the week before a few times, so not having a good plan or players confused says a lot about prep again.

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Get Nasty said:

Agree, but ND coaches know this is the leonard they expected or someone completely different. Both/either should have resulted in changes made.

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mbd11 said:

That might've been a good call if Hartman had been the QB. He was a good deep ball thrower. But unfortunately, Leonard isn't. But all 3 of our backups are probably better than Leonard at making that throw as well.

So we need to either tailor the offense to Leonard's skills, or put a different QB in. Leonard isn't a good fit for the offense we ran Saturday. He's not a dropback passer.

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Get Nasty said:

I love your example because yes it was poorly coached by rudolph. Did you not see craig ask the official what he did wrong like he didn't realize grabbing the jersey from the outside is obvious holding? 2 games in a row now on big gains called back due to poor coaching and execution. Yes some of it is on the player, but if a player keeps making the same mistake you do something about it.

Let me ask you this, what does every coach say because it's absolutely true. You see your most improvements from game 1 to game 2. What happened with ND. Absolutely NO improvements anywhere. QB play worse, line maybe the same, Wrs worse, dline worse, lbs worse, secondary worse, punting worse, kicking worse. Where the heck was any improvement? What good coaching can anyone hang their hats on?

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