Would he? Should he?

[sjb75]

Staff is 10 and 1 and ranked top 5 in the country and probably the hottest team in the country.

Freeman, Denbrock, Guidugli, Rudolph, McCullough.....I think that staff has a good idea of what they are doing. By all accounts should have....says who ? And why?

Angeli is not overly talented. The reason they will not be going to the portal for a starter next year is because of Carr and Minchey

Kenny Minchey is third string and if Riley Leonard is injured at USC, Steve Angeli is the QB, and Minchey has been at Notre Dame for 1.5 years.

Do please don’t tell us that Kenny Minchey, and not Steve Angeli, is one of the reasons Notre Dame won’t sign a Portal QB in 2025. “The facts say otherwise.”

When you’ve defeated Ohio St, and you may win the Big 10 regular season going undefeated, be fair and call 11-0 Oregon the hottest team in the country.

 

[88ND]

We know he's a junior and the staff started Buchner and Pyne over him. Then went to the portal and started Hartman over him. Then went to the portal and started Leonard over him.

Great backup but not a top tier starter

LOL...
Alrighty then...

The previous staff...with one Brian Kelly whom you said was a great coach and would take this team to the promise land...
Let's see...
Golson spelled in every game by Rees but didn't see a snap in the most important one
Kizer, the # 3 backup ..was the best on the roster after the dust settled...and forced to play due to injury
Wimbush...16 times beating head against the wall to realize the better player was the backup
So bad that he was even benched for Book in the bowl game which we won yet still wasn't enough to change the depth chart for the first three games of the next season...

Yeah....

That staff...

any staff...

they never get the depth chart wrong, huh


I say again you don't know anything but what an ESPN talking head or some "expert" tweets out on your little X account.


Ready for some facts?
Steve Angelli
One game started vs. a ranked Oregon St team in a bowl game.
15-19 232 yards 3 td 0 int
long of 55 yards.
QB rating of 233.6

Riley Leonard who is not getting drafted in the first round as you claimed...I know you will draft him on your xbox 1st overall so there's that...

the best Leonard has done while playing for the IRISH..
Best yardage in any week?
229 yards against a terrible Stanford team
His longest pass in any game is 53 yards
His highest rating in any game is?
223.3 against Army



But that staff KNOWS!!!!!

Instead of blurting things out like a child saying dumb this, pedo state, dumb that,
and dial back on the 34 posts per day perhaps you will learn a thing or two. Just a hunch

 

[88ND]

I don’t think there’s a QB on our roster who wouldn’t be 10-1 or 11-0 (2 wins against ranked teams, one being Army). No teams ranked in the top 19. You don’t think Carr, Angeli or Minchey could score 7 against TAMU and beat NIU?

Again, if this guy is a 1st round talent like you dubbed him, he should win a natty riding the back of this defense and running game. Time will tell when Riley lines up with meaningful games and teams. ND goes as far as Riley will take them.

We will go as far as the running game takes us..
RL is not talking this team anywhere. He might be along for the ride and might not "lose a game" NIU 20 yard underthrown pass be damned...

 

[88ND]

Grass isn’t always greener on the other side. Not sure I’d put 100% faith in the same coaching staff that lost to Marshal, Stanford, NIU. Fact is Angeli has never gotten a chance and by all accounts should have but staff was likely handcuffed by a million dollar deal.

Actually he did...
One chance..

A bowl game in which he played against a ranked team and put up better stats than Leonard in his Irish career.
One game started and threw for more yards, had a longer pass, and a higher QB rating than Leonard at any point in his Irish career.

BTW...
Angelli's game was against a top 20 team.
Leonard has a slate of unranked teams with some very pedestrian stats.

But that coaching staff always KNOWS BEST.

 

[Golson5]

I don’t think there’s a QB on our roster who wouldn’t be 10-1 or 11-0 (2 wins against ranked teams, one being Army). No teams ranked in the top 19. You don’t think Carr, Angeli or Minchey could score 7 against TAMU and beat NIU?

Again, if this guy is a 1st round talent like you dubbed him, he should win a natty riding the back of this defense and running game. Time will tell when Riley lines up with meaningful games and teams. ND goes as far as Riley will take them.

We don't beat Texas Am with anyone else on the roster at a minimum. Don't think we beat Louisville with Angeli either. Also, I don't think Angeli would have made it through the season with his mobility and our OL. RL avoided or escaped a lot of pressure and sacks early in the year that only Minchey on the roster could have.

4 teams in the top 37 we've played

 

[Golson5]

Kenny Minchey is third string and if Riley Leonard is injured at USC, Steve Angeli is the QB, and Minchey has been at Notre Dame for 1.5 years.

Do please don’t tell us that Kenny Minchey, and not Steve Angeli, is one of the reasons Notre Dame won’t sign a Portal QB in 2025. “The facts say otherwise.”

When you’ve defeated Ohio St, and you may win the Big 10 regular season going undefeated, be fair and call 11-0 Oregon the hottest team in the country.

Carr and Minchey are the reason we won't be going to the portal for a starter next year.

Facts are facts. His 3 years they played Pyne ahead of him and went to portal twice

They will not do that this year. Wonder why

 

[Golson5]

LOL...
Alrighty then...

The previous staff...with one Brian Kelly whom you said was a great coach and would take this team to the promise land...
Let's see...
Golson spelled in every game by Rees but didn't see a snap in the most important one
Kizer, the # 3 backup ..was the best on the roster after the dust settled...and forced to play due to injury
Wimbush...16 times beating head against the wall to realize the better player was the backup
So bad that he was even benched for Book in the bowl game which we won yet still wasn't enough to change the depth chart for the first three games of the next season...

Yeah....

That staff...

any staff...

they never get the depth chart wrong, huh


I say again you don't know anything but what an ESPN talking head or some "expert" tweets out on your little X account.


Ready for some facts?
Steve Angelli
One game started vs. a ranked Oregon St team in a bowl game.
15-19 232 yards 3 td 0 int
long of 55 yards.
QB rating of 233.6

Riley Leonard who is not getting drafted in the first round as you claimed...I know you will draft him on your xbox 1st overall so there's that...

the best Leonard has done while playing for the IRISH..
Best yardage in any week?
229 yards against a terrible Stanford team
His longest pass in any game is 53 yards
His highest rating in any game is?
223.3 against Army



But that staff KNOWS!!!!!

Instead of blurting things out like a child saying dumb this, pedo state, dumb that,
and dial back on the 34 posts per day perhaps you will learn a thing or two. Just a hunch

Angeli has been here 3 years and never considered for the starting job. Not once

Enough said

Riley Leonard has 27 Tds and 5 turnovers this year

Riley Leonard is 16th in the country in QBR

Steve Angeli will continue to be his backup for the rest of the year

 

[sjb75]

Carr and Minchey are the reason we won't be going to the portal for a starter next year.

Facts are facts. His 3 years they played Pyne ahead of him and went to portal twice

They will not do that this year. Wonder why

Then why isn’t Kenny Minchey the backup QB after 1.5 years in the program?

 

[ZibbyQuinn]

We don't beat Texas Am with anyone else on the roster at a minimum. Don't think we beat Louisville with Angeli either. Also, I don't think Angeli would have made it through the season with his mobility and our OL. RL avoided or escaped a lot of pressure and sacks early in the year that only Minchey on the roster could have.

4 teams in the top 37 we've played

Haha you don’t think anybody on the roster could have scored 7 points?!

 

[Golson5]

Haha you don’t think anybody on the roster could have scored 7 points?!

To deal with that pass rush and avoid sacks. To not have 1 turnover. To have the game sealing drive by using your legs and arm. To be a factor in the run game.

No. I dont think Angeli had a chance in that game. He holds onto the ball a little too long to begin with. I think he would have took too many sacks and good chance he turns the ball over

 

[Golson5]

Then why isn’t Kenny Minchey the backup QB after 1.5 years in the program?

They want the trusted game proven older player as the backup

When the competition is open next year, we will see what happens

Carr or Minchey will be opening day starter next year imo. That's why we won't be going to the portal

 

[sjb75]

They want the trusted game proven older player as the backup

When the competition is open next year, we will see what happens

Carr or Minchey will be opening day starter next year imo. That's why we won't be going to the portal

Do you believe there is zero chance Marcus Freeman signs a well thought of portal QB for 2025?

 

[Golson5]

Do you believe there is zero chance Marcus Freeman signs a well thought of portal QB for 2025?

I think he signs a Portal QB to be a backup if someone transfers

I don't think there is any chance they are bringing in a player like RL or Sam Hartman. I think they like their young QB's

 

[echowaker]

Grass isn’t always greener on the other side. Not sure I’d put 100% faith in the same coaching staff that lost to Marshal, Stanford, NIU. Fact is Angeli has never gotten a chance and by all accounts should have but staff was likely handcuffed by a million dollar deal.

He can't run the style of offense that has made this team effective and productive the last 9 weeks. It's that simple.

 

[echowaker]

LOL...
Alrighty then...

The previous staff...with one Brian Kelly whom you said was a great coach and would take this team to the promise land...
Let's see...
Golson spelled in every game by Rees but didn't see a snap in the most important one
Kizer, the # 3 backup ..was the best on the roster after the dust settled...and forced to play due to injury
Wimbush...16 times beating head against the wall to realize the better player was the backup
So bad that he was even benched for Book in the bowl game which we won yet still wasn't enough to change the depth chart for the first three games of the next season...

Yeah....

That staff...

any staff...

they never get the depth chart wrong, huh


I say again you don't know anything but what an ESPN talking head or some "expert" tweets out on your little X account.


Ready for some facts?
Steve Angelli
One game started vs. a ranked Oregon St team in a bowl game.
15-19 232 yards 3 td 0 int
long of 55 yards.
QB rating of 233.6

Riley Leonard who is not getting drafted in the first round as you claimed...I know you will draft him on your xbox 1st overall so there's that...

the best Leonard has done while playing for the IRISH..
Best yardage in any week?
229 yards against a terrible Stanford team
His longest pass in any game is 53 yards
His highest rating in any game is?
223.3 against Army



But that staff KNOWS!!!!!

Instead of blurting things out like a child saying dumb this, pedo state, dumb that,
and dial back on the 34 posts per day perhaps you will learn a thing or two. Just a hunch

Talk about an incredibly small sample size. One game. I guess all the practices over the years don't count. I like Angeli. He's a quality backup who performed admirably when his number was called. Given the style of play that they have chosen to run Leonard is without question the proper choice for the position. The thread itself really is silly given the last 9 weeks.

 

[echowaker]

Do you believe there is zero chance Marcus Freeman signs a well thought of portal QB for 2025?

Never say zero chance. Maybe one of the current guys enter the portal. Circumstances change.

 

[echowaker]

We will go as far as the running game takes us..
RL is not talking this team anywhere. He might be along for the ride and might not "lose a game" NIU 20 yard underthrown pass be damned...

I agree and you lose a big threat in that running game with a QB who physically is not adept at RPO or read zone. It's what ND does best on offense. Who in their right mind wants to change that ? Makes no sense.....at all. You're dealing in hypotheticals.

 

[88ND]

To deal with that pass rush and avoid sacks. To not have 1 turnover. To have the game sealing drive by using your legs and arm. To be a factor in the run game.

No. I dont think Angeli had a chance in that game. He holds onto the ball a little too long to begin with. I think he would have took too many sacks and good chance he turns the ball over

You obviously have never actually played the game outside of electronics.

No position benefits more from game time experience than QB.
The biggest being the silent clock in your head of the rush from the Defense.
There is absolutely no practice that can simulate an opposition pash rush especially wearing the don't hit me jersey.

RL won the game against A&M.
That's a fact.
Angelli against A&M is nothing but simply a what if.
That's a fact.
Angelli could have folded and wilted and we lose...
Or..
what if he lit them up and hung 45 points on them?
You have no clue what could've happened.


Angelli has one game starthisim 2023. A bowl game against a #19 team.
His stats were better than any of Riley Leonard's stats in 11 starts this season.

Simply another fact.

Anything else is what "you think" will happen. Nothing more.
Like RL getting drafted in the first round, eh'

 

[christophero]

Not to brag but I led my little league flag football league in interceptions when I was 12.

 

[88ND]

I agree and you lose a big threat in that running game with a QB who physically is not adept at RPO or read zone. It's what ND does best on offense. Who in their right mind wants to change that ? Makes no sense.....at all. You're dealing in hypotheticals.

As you are in sealing someone's fate before it happened.

All we have is one game albeit a big one but one game from Angelli.
We have 11 from Riley Leonard.

Angelli had better stats in one game...than RL has had in his 11 and counting.
One could even argue that was agsinst better competition than any team RL has played sans possibly A&M ...but RL was 18-30 for 158 in that game. No scores. 🤷

This isn't a topic of who the starter shoukd be. The coach made that decision.
The topic is if/when that moment arises the offense is stale and it's do or die....
Would Freeman attempt to spark the offense with Angelli or die on the hill with inaccurate under-thrown passes.

Saban pulled Hurts who had a nearly perfect record as a starter in a do or die moment...

Would Freeman have the nerve

That's the question. Nothing more, nothing less

 

[ftnfan62]

Don't see it if he is not hurt.......if not for 2, missed FG's he is 10-0 going into his last game. He can score with his legs, or arm which makes the defense keep an extra defender in the box. He would have to suffer an injury IMHO

 

[Golson5]

You obviously have never actually played the game outside of electronics.

No position benefits more from game time experience than QB.
The biggest being the silent clock in your head of the rush from the Defense.
There is absolutely no practice that can simulate an opposition pash rush especially wearing the don't hit me jersey.

RL won the game against A&M.
That's a fact.
Angelli against A&M is nothing but simply a what if.
That's a fact.
Angelli could have folded and wilted and we lose...
Or..
what if he lit them up and hung 45 points on them?
You have no clue what could've happened.


Angelli has one game starthisim 2023. A bowl game against a #19 team.
His stats were better than any of Riley Leonard's stats in 11 starts this season.

Simply another fact.

Anything else is what "you think" will happen. Nothing more.
Like RL getting drafted in the first round, eh'

You have no clue about football or Quarterback play. You're embarrassing yourself

 

[Golson5]

As you are in sealing someone's fate before it happened.

All we have is one game albeit a big one but one game from Angelli.
We have 11 from Riley Leonard.

Angelli had better stats in one game...than RL has had in his 11 and counting.
One could even argue that was agsinst better competition than any team RL has played sans possibly A&M ...but RL was 18-30 for 158 in that game. No scores. 🤷

This isn't a topic of who the starter shoukd be. The coach made that decision.
The topic is if/when that moment arises the offense is stale and it's do or die....
Would Freeman attempt to spark the offense with Angelli or die on the hill with inaccurate under-thrown passes.

Saban pulled Hurts who had a nearly perfect record as a starter in a do or die moment...

Would Freeman have the nerve

That's the question. Nothing more, nothing less

The answer is no.

RL is playing and Angeli will be sitting on the bench

The only way Angeli plays is if RL gets injured or in a blowout. Like his whole career

 

[BGI User 756]

Not to brag but I led my little league flag football league in interceptions when I was 12.

Stud!

 

[echowaker]

As you are in sealing someone's fate before it happened.

All we have is one game albeit a big one but one game from Angelli.
We have 11 from Riley Leonard.

Angelli had better stats in one game...than RL has had in his 11 and counting.
One could even argue that was agsinst better competition than any team RL has played sans possibly A&M ...but RL was 18-30 for 158 in that game. No scores. 🤷

This isn't a topic of who the starter shoukd be. The coach made that decision.
The topic is if/when that moment arises the offense is stale and it's do or die....
Would Freeman attempt to spark the offense with Angelli or die on the hill with inaccurate under-thrown passes.

Saban pulled Hurts who had a nearly perfect record as a starter in a do or die moment...

Would Freeman have the nerve

That's the question. Nothing more, nothing less

In a 2nd tier bowl game against a team who lost their coach and missing a multitude of front line players . You act like he lit up Georgia. We all know your agenda. It ain't happening unless there's an injury.

 

[echowaker]

As you are in sealing someone's fate before it happened.

All we have is one game albeit a big one but one game from Angelli.
We have 11 from Riley Leonard.

Angelli had better stats in one game...than RL has had in his 11 and counting.
One could even argue that was agsinst better competition than any team RL has played sans possibly A&M ...but RL was 18-30 for 158 in that game. No scores. 🤷

This isn't a topic of who the starter shoukd be. The coach made that decision.
The topic is if/when that moment arises the offense is stale and it's do or die....
Would Freeman attempt to spark the offense with Angelli or die on the hill with inaccurate under-thrown passes.

Saban pulled Hurts who had a nearly perfect record as a starter in a do or die moment...

Would Freeman have the nerve

That's the question. Nothing more, nothing less

Again, dealing with hypotheticals. If Jennifer Aniston had only returned my call I might have been Mr. Aniston.

 

[echowaker]

As you are in sealing someone's fate before it happened.

All we have is one game albeit a big one but one game from Angelli.
We have 11 from Riley Leonard.

Angelli had better stats in one game...than RL has had in his 11 and counting.
One could even argue that was agsinst better competition than any team RL has played sans possibly A&M ...but RL was 18-30 for 158 in that game. No scores. 🤷

This isn't a topic of who the starter shoukd be. The coach made that decision.
The topic is if/when that moment arises the offense is stale and it's do or die....
Would Freeman attempt to spark the offense with Angelli or die on the hill with inaccurate under-thrown passes.

Saban pulled Hurts who had a nearly perfect record as a starter in a do or die moment...

Would Freeman have the nerve

That's the question. Nothing more, nothing less

Yeah Coach Saban did do that. He replaced one future starting NFL QB with another future starting NFL QB. Marcus Freeman does not have that luxury. He has one QB best suited for the offense they run and one who is a very competent passer but limited in athletic ability to run said offense. Would he ? NO. Should he ? Absolutely not.

 

[ZibbyQuinn]

The answer is no.

RL is playing and Angeli will be sitting on the bench

The only way Angeli plays is if RL gets injured or in a blowout. Like his whole career

No excuses for a 1st round talent at QB with a Top 5 defense to not win it all, go get it RL.

 

[Golson5]

No excuses for a 1st round talent at QB with a Top 5 defense to not win it all, go get it RL.

Lol

 

[88ND]

Yeah Coach Saban did do that. He replaced one future starting NFL QB with another future starting NFL QB. Marcus Freeman does not have that luxury. He has one QB best suited for the offense they run and one who is a very competent passer but limited in athletic ability to run said offense. Would he ? NO. Should he ? Absolutely not.

ok...so if the offense is stuck in mud like let's say ...oh I don't know...NIU game...

you're dying on the hill with "the guy" regardless, even though there is no tomorrow.

Got it

 

[88ND]

Again, dealing with hypotheticals. If Jennifer Aniston had only returned my call I might have been Mr. Aniston.

I know you would change your last name but most here don't roll that way

College football in case you didn't know...apparently you don't know...
is nothing but hypotheticals.
The polls, to the committee, to you name it.
It's all about trendy what have you done for me as of late and hypothetical dot connecting.

Finally after far too long the playoffs are starting to resemble something of a playoff.
Before this it was nothing but a beauty pageant and way too much based on hypotheticals.