Why can’t anyone believe Ludwig didn’t want the job?
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Utah is amazing. My parents live there. It’s very windy. And a little odd with certain things due to the LDS. But the winter is just enough but not too much and the scenery is unbelievable. Both the flora and fauna if you get my drift.
This is a very arrogant state of mind. An OC is an OC at the end of the day because a lot of "success" that college football assistants have is based off who you know. Rees is a prime example of that. He by no means is the best OC out there. But his father is very connected, and therefore he benefits from that, that is why Saban came calling.
Maybe at one point being the OC at ND meant something more than it does today. I think you just can't accept that in recent years there is little difference between being the OC at Utah and the OC at ND. I'm a life long ND fan and I will say Utah is probably a more attractive job. The location coupled with not having the pressure to please the resident feces throwers on ND message boards and consistently having a competitive football team, its nice gig.
Yeah you're wrong. There is a difference between ND and Utah.
Saying there is not levels to being an OC is just ridiculous
Are you saying Alabama OC and Vanderbilt or Kansas OC is equal.
Thats just silly
What's the difference between ND and Utah aside from your personal bias that you hold one in higher regard to the other?
And OC's individually are more equal than not. Put Tommy Rees at Kansas and he will not have the same offensive success he is going to have at Alabama. The OC didn't change in this hypothetical scenario. You can honestly plug and chug most assistants in college football, it's the overall organization/culture that matters. Rees started his coaching career ahead of the starting line because of his father and his father's connections. Therefore, he gets rewarded with being at higher caliber programs and reaps the benefits of that. By no means am I saying that there aren't differences in caliber of program. That would be silly. Alabama is not the same as Kansas. But a lot of OC's can go to Alabama and have the same success Rees is going to have. Rees just won the birth lottery in that regard.Connections in college football coaching matter.
Really, because of Bill Rees? That's how he got the job? I had no idea....
My question is about position coaching hires.....Why would ND hire a "quarterback coach" before hiring an offensive coordinator, for example? That makes no sense. How can an OC be accountable for productivity when he didn't have input on the position hire? When the position coach is hired first...it tells me that the coordinator is an internal hire that hasn't been made public yet. If Gino is actually on board...that means the OC is also already on board....but hasn't been announced. I think you need to "cull the herd". Bring outside blood into the DNA to keep it optimally healthy. Too much internal promoting is a short term strategy. And why would you have a short term strategy with Marcus Freeman? Funny how ND bills itself as a "national" recruiter with players....but with coaching? I dunno.
Whats the difference between Notre Dame and Utah.... You're joking right?
It’s a valid point, but remember Kelly left us in a terrible position.
Under normal circumstances and with ample time a HC would be hired then he would recruit and sign his staff.
Kelly fooked us
You are the one who started with the name calling.
Then you have the nerve to call me a prick.
Block me or ignore me. Your act is getting old
John- no need to go in an Golson like that. The guy brings quality talk to this board daily. He’s easily a top 5 poster. You most certainly don’t have to agree with all of his takes, but insulting the best and most consistent posters is a good way to kill the board.
You’re here enjoying the board daily…..wouldn’t you be bummed out if the board fell apart?
Golson is pro-ND. There’s no doubt about that. Respect him.
The hip bone connected to the thigh bone, the thigh bone connected to the .…
The timing of Kelly’s departure left ND in a huge hole.
The timing of Kelly’s departure greatly limited the available pool of available HC candidates.
Hiring an assistant coach with no HC experience inherently puts him at a disadvantage in terms of knowing how to build a coaching staff
It would appear that in the chaos that followed Kelly’s departure, with limited candidates available, that while ND was in the process of finalizing their choice for HC, due to time being short, that ND convinced Rees to stay on board for one year in order to stabilize the ship.
Not knowing the details I could speculate whether Rees held the option to remain.
If Rees had a one year contract then MF should have been looking for a potential replacement long before Rees’s announcement that he was going to Alabama.
When you hire or are forced to hire an assistant coach with no head coaching experience, it’s not surprising that the new HC would be inexperienced when it comes to recruiting and retaining coaching staff.
Had Kelly not snookered ND, giving ND ample time, the chaos that followed and remains today wouldn’t have happened.
‘Mike, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it ! 😜
But he gets so much wrong but acts like he is some insider which he is not. He is so arrogant and will never admit when he is wrong.
A hallmark sign of a narcissist is being unable to admit to being in the wrong.
Never said I was an insider nor claim to be. Get way more right in recruiting and the team than I get wrong.
You got an obsession
Appreciate that. Respect you too.
Some People don't like that I'm so opinionated but there's no debate I'm pro ND and and passionate about it
People get in their feelings way too much
Lots of feeble minded lazy snowflakes that have emotional issues who can't handle anything outside of the official brain dead spin!
Just because someone talks to you about a job, even interviews for one, doesn't guarantee interest...in fact, interviews are two-way streets for information sharing...he may have decided after hearing what philosophy, approach, practice were going to be that he didn't want to be here...it happens and I know because I have been a corporate recruiter and the most important lesson I learned was the candidate is assessing me as much as I am assessing the candidate...
As for the Mike Trout reference...many "respected sources" criticize him for not being interested enough in winning a World Series, only collecting a pay cheque...maybe Ludwig is happy going to the Rose Bowl as Pac 12 (10???) champ and getting paid good money for the Utah gig...not everyone is as ambitious as you want them to be, or as they need to be to be a National Champion at Notre Dame
There’s something else to consider.
Maybe, after spending time in South Bend the money became secondary to the quality of life for he and his family.
Maybe he felt that his family, already embedded in Salt Lake City, would prefer that quality of life over the one they would have in South Bend.
‘With such an enormous career and geographic change, I would be very surprised if he wasn’t having regular phone conversations with his wife while he was in south Bend.
And I wouldn’t be surprised if after laying it all out for her he didn’t say, “So what do you think, honey ?”
And she might have said, “Well, we’ve been here a long time and we’re happy here, so let’s stay here,”
Don‘t discount a wife’s influence on a man’s decisions !
God damn, this thread has turned into a chamber of commerce piece for the state of Utah. Holy shit, man....
I'd expect nothing less from ND fans, though. This is the same bunch that spent how many years maniacally and in deeply disturbing fashion denigrating and attacking one of the great coaches of this era who turned ND into a perennial playoff-contender. So of course they're going to work themselves into a state defending this has-been/never-was afterthought of an OC in this Parker loser. Who's a journeyman at absolute best, and who quite frankly is lucky to have any P5 job at all, let alone a coordinator position at ND.
But they won't stop at just defending him, which is fine as far as it goes, but that's not enough for ND fans. They have to swim deeply in the waters of aggressive intellectual dishonesty and very willful and exaggerated persecutory delusion. That's the mechanism of their craziness, and we've seen it on garish display for many years now. So this sort of behavior is not a surprise. It makes it feel more real for them, to defend ND this vigorously and sardonically and uncritically. But it's always a little jarring, and unsettling, to see it in action.
I'd expect nothing less from ND fans, though. This is the same bunch that spent how many years maniacally and in deeply disturbing fashion denigrating and attacking one of the great coaches of this era who turned ND into a perennial playoff-contender. So of course they're going to work themselves into a state defending this has-been/never-was afterthought of an OC in this Parker loser. Who's a journeyman at absolute best, and who quite frankly is lucky to have any P5 job at all, let alone a coordinator position at ND.
But they won't stop at just defending him, which is fine as far as it goes, but that's not enough for ND fans. They have to swim deeply in the waters of aggressive intellectual dishonesty and very willful and exaggerated persecutory delusion. That's the mechanism of their craziness, and we've seen it on garish display for many years now. So this sort of behavior is not a surprise. It makes it feel more real for them, to defend ND this vigorously and sardonically and uncritically. But it's always a little jarring, and unsettling, to see it in action.
So you have the perspective that posters should prefer to insult people who they do not know nor have the background to critique? I certainly have no interest in wasring time to insult the coaches and players.
I would ask, why don't you go support another team if you have decided that Notre Dame doe not merit your attention?
can we talk Idaho? beautiful state! been there many times on Netflix documentaries; wish I could have had the opportunity to see it in person.
You guys sure also have a gift for saying the most precisely, threadbare wrong thing, when critiqued in this way. If you're trying to like, defend your honor and shit.
Why don't I find another team to cheer for. That really does sum it up, and capture it perfectly enough. Leave you in peace, have mercy on these troubled souls, so you can keep carrying on, and repeat the same cycles year after year, coach after coach until the earth crashes into the sun....
Half your posts would actually be decent if you leave your BK love fest out of it. Instead every single one of your posts are unreadable. you have the potential to be a solid poster, but your blindness love for BK ruins it. He's gone face it. He left not because of this forum or the fan base being critical of BK's record vs the elites. He left because of more $$$ and he quit on ND.
Going back to one of my main points, the ND media created all of this outrage. Having an in person interview does not mean it’s a done deal, yet all the writers reported it like that. Collin Klein had an in person interview, he was not offered. I’ve had in person interviews in my career and turned down offers because of the in person experience.
There’s nothing going on in college football right now, and the ND “journalists” couldn’t help themselves but create a story for web traffic and message board activity. It was journalistic malfeasance at best. If I’m ND I would be looking at legal action against all these amateur “journalists” for their libelous reporting on this matter.
Those getting outraged are sheep of the highest order. You’re doing nothing for the ND brand. You’re giving fodder to the anti ND journalists out there to piss on ND’s face. If there was no outrage from the fan base, this wouldn’t have been a national story like it has been.
There’s nothing going on in college football right now, and the ND “journalists” couldn’t help themselves but create a story for web traffic and message board activity. It was journalistic malfeasance at best. If I’m ND I would be looking at legal action against all these amateur “journalists” for their libelous reporting on this matter.
Those getting outraged are sheep of the highest order. You’re doing nothing for the ND brand. You’re giving fodder to the anti ND journalists out there to piss on ND’s face. If there was no outrage from the fan base, this wouldn’t have been a national story like it has been.
What are you talking about? Jack himself stated there was an obstacle. The media didn't get it wrong. Ludwig was the guy they wanted. There was an obstacle, but at the end of the day Ludwig got cold feet. The question is, why did he get cold feet? Was it the bungled buyout obstacle? did he not agree with the coaching philosophy? Was it the family not wanting to uproot from Utah and move? None of us know, but Ludwig Jack, and Freeman.
Ludwig was a done deal, and Ludwig for some reason had a change of heart. The media was simply reporting what they were getting from ND sources. Maybe ND should keep things close to the vest until the contract is signed.
What made Ludwig a "done deal" though? Going to a hockey game? There was nothing from ND that stated Ludwig signed a contract with ND, therefore anything that happened up to the point when we find out that Ludwig will not be ND's OC is nothing but speculation.
Let’s set the record straight, Kelly did a great job resurrecting the Notre Dame football program, then he lied and ****ed Notre Dame with the manner and timing of his resignation.
Both are undeniable.
The fact that you’re deaf, dumb and blind with regard to the manner and timing of his departure speaks to your lack of objectivity.
Lastly, stop generalizing and putting all Notre Dame fans in one bucket !
My sense is that you’re related to Kelly, that’s the only thing that would make sense of your blind defense of the way he left Notre Dame.
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