What a fraud :
Golson5 said:
Leonard is bigger, more athletic , and has a stronger arm
Golson5 said:
Leonard is bigger, more athletic , and has a stronger arm
Where's Golson5?
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If they wanted a QB from the portal they should have pursued Cam Ward or Kyle McCord who are both way better than Leonard.
It’s time to develop someone on the roster to be QB.
It’s time to develop someone on the roster to be QB.
Angeli wins that game yesterday. He makes the throws Leonard couldn't. He doesn't miss the open receivers Leonard missed.
There's a reason Harbaugh, Saban, Day, and Kelly all offered Angeli. There's a reason they didn't offer Leonard and why he ended up at Duke.
There's a reason Harbaugh, Saban, Day, and Kelly all offered Angeli. There's a reason they didn't offer Leonard and why he ended up at Duke.
I don’t care what he admits to. That’s his business.
That said, for a poster who is around here 24-7-365, his absence is odd.
Or maybe it isn’t.
He's not coming back until the sheep in front him start w/ the bs exscuses(actually already started) and by mid-week he'll come back and fall in line and tell us how RL/ND can run the table🥱🥱🥱...cause unlike real sheep that are actually smart, the sheep on this board have proven their stupidity 31 years and running!
I have read your posts for a long time. I am sincerely thankful I am not you.
Again. Sincerely thankful.
And the whole board in ETERNALLY GRATEFUL THEY ARE NOT YOU AND THE 100 OR SO POSTERS WHO LEFT OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE OF YOU...NOW STFU FOREVER!
What proof do you have that Angeli had an actionable offer from any of those programs?
Anytime you move the evidence from (composite recruiting rating) which is a datapoint that is objective and grounded in collective expertise, to something that can't really be proven (like Angeli having offers from the top programs in the country) it starts to get really murky. Every prospect out there is embellishing their offer list, and there's a lot of incentive to claim offers that they don't really have, or that a program never formally made, or even if the offer was actually a committable offer or not. Point being: it's hard to put a lot of weight on "offer lists" these days.
Angeli was a 3 star ranked way in the late 300s (pretty middling prospect profile). He has already way overperformed his prospect profile by being a borderline starter at the P4 level. He's already a program win. But I digress.
I think Angeli and Leonard are both pretty middling QB talents at this level and none really offer much more than the other in terms of raw production potential at the position.
I have been personally VERY impressed in the limited work Angeli has been given up to this point in his career, and in the off-season was on board as saying that the competition between Angeli and Leonard is probably legit because there probably just isn't much separation between the two. Nothing after 2 weeks of the season has changed my opinion on that.
Angeli - Tomato
Leonard - Timato
Minchey - Tamato
We need IMPACT PLAYERS that are production hogs, that EVERY INSTITUTION IS BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO ACQUIRE ... but we just dont compete for them on the recruiting trail. And im still trying to figure out what the impediment is since Charlie Weis left. Where is the disconnect? Why isnt the most important issue in the program (the composite talent of the 85 man roster and how it ranks relative to all other rosters) not an issue at the highest level of the football program and why is it not being aggressively & strategically addressed? I still haven't seen ANY evidence in multiple decades now that this "issue" is even on NDs radar at all lol
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Look it up it's out there reported by a number of recruiting services. I'm not going to do your research for you. You are just so anti Notre Dame you can't fathom that anyone ND recruits would also receive offers from elite programs. You are the biggest loser on this forum.
Angeli was a composite 4 star. and he was the #21 ranked QB in the nation. Compare that to Leonard who was a composite 3-star as the 48th ranked QB in the nation and ranked way in the high 600's and yet the staff reached into the portal to grab him over what they already have. Just dumb
I don't get it. This is a head scratcher to go after Leonard when you have Angeli who is more than capable.
Quarterback Steve Angeli commits to Notre Dame's 2022 class
Notre Dame didn't hide its interest in Steve Angeli.
www.southbendtribune.com
Not gonna say Angeli is better than Leonard, but i dont get the appeal about Leonard. Look at what I just read:I don't get it. This is a head scratcher to go after Leonard when you have Angeli who is more than capable.
Quarterback Steve Angeli commits to Notre Dame's 2022 class
Notre Dame didn't hide its interest in Steve Angeli.www.southbendtribune.com
Over his last 9 starts going back to the start of last year, Riley Leonard:
Has completed 133 of 227 pass attempts (an atrocious 58%)
Has thrown only 3 TD passes
Has thrown 5 interceptions
No Golson.I don't get it. This is a head scratcher to go after Leonard when you have Angeli who is more than capable.
Quarterback Steve Angeli commits to Notre Dame's 2022 class
Notre Dame didn't hide its interest in Steve Angeli.www.southbendtribune.com
Who cares if anyone is wrong… Riley needs benched now to salvage season and freeman needs fired at end of year to salvage program
I stated freeman should have been fired in 21 when he was DC…. I hate that I was right … Kelly hiring freeman has set nd back big time
Freeman is just a moron that needs others to tell him what to do.
I stated freeman should have been fired in 21 when he was DC…. I hate that I was right … Kelly hiring freeman has set nd back big time
Freeman is just a moron that needs others to tell him what to do.
The guy lives on here to spew his opinion as fact and never retreats in wrong doing even when he’s dead wrong. This is fitting.. although this board ready to pull the plug on anything and everything is comical.
He should have never been hired
Yes Golson has been insanely wrong about freeman… hopefully he learns
The "fire Freeman" stuff is just silly.
Does anyone think Bevacqua would make waves like this his first year and fire the football coach? I don't.
Even at 9-3, I think Freeman is back for 25. And I'm good with that.
Does anyone think Bevacqua would make waves like this his first year and fire the football coach? I don't.
Even at 9-3, I think Freeman is back for 25. And I'm good with that.
Freeman was not what I was alluding to..verdict is still out on Freeman
Freeman is going to get at minimum 5 years unless recruiting goes to sh1t.
It's not silly because it's unlikely to happen. It should happen. He's been awful in 21, 22, 23, and now 24. He's awesome when the season isn't being played from January - July. But he is absolutely clueless as a coach on how to run a team. He can get the team fired up and locked in for One, maybe 2 games a year. That's his MO. We're 2-2 in those games, one of the losses due to his coaching blunders.
Have you considered that I may just be as loyal to the evidence as I claim that I am, and that I'm not your adversary, but the data/evidence/reality itself is?
Also I don't know how many posts I made on the topic of Notre Dame's lackluster recruiting but the fact that people still talk about Marcus Freeman like he's improve the recruiting at Notre Dame just blows my mind because it runs contrary to all the evidence
Marcus Freeman is not recruiting any better than the previous coach that was here and recruiting worse than the coach before that coach (Charlie Weis)
So he's essentially not getting it done on the field nor the recruiting trail
This is realistic. Too many think emotionally, that flipping a coach quick solves things. It didn't work in hiring Freeman, nor will it now.
9-3 is possible. And acceptable. I still think Freeman is in over his head. I don't think he will ever be a top coach, but ND just doesn't get top coaches anymore.
Ever since Holtz, BK has been the best, the others being busts. Food for thought.
You need to start the process of talking with potential coaches agent to judge interest and see who you could get at year end, and if you believe it would be an improvement. Based on how the rest of the season goes, it may be easy or tough to find a coach that could improve. IF ND goes 9-3 or worse, almost any power 4 coach would be an improvement with the roster ND has. IF we go 11-1, freeman would have done an amazing job reflecting, and actually changing. 10-2 and miss the playoffs with our roster would be the tough one. 10-2 would be better than last year, but such a huge miss on what a season should have been. Our roster next year will NOT be close to as good as this year, not even close.
9-3 vs this schedule is not acceptable
Been saying this since ND took him. Good runner and not so good passer. He was a one year wonder at Duke when they played a sorry ass schedule.
No it shouldn't. Not yet. And he hasn't been "awful". Some terrible losses? Yes. Some decisions he'd likely want back? Of course. Are where we'd thought we'd be? No.
Has he been Awful? No.
It's week 2. This wasn't going to be easy. Let's talk and see what this thing looks like after Louisville.
Most of the board predicted us 1-1 at this point. Well......we're 1-1.
And to be clear: The NIU loss sucked. I'm still sick over it.
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9-3 (losses to Georgia, Miami, and a ranked stanford team)
12-0
10-2 (losses to Georgia and Michigan)
10-0
11-1 (loss to CFP cincinnati)
8-4 (loss to Ohio State, Marshall, Terrible stanford team, and USC)
9-3 (loss to ohio state, louisville, average clemson team)
1-1 (where will we finish up) (loss to NIU)
He inherited a program in GREAT shape, and completely ruined the culture, toughness, and winners mentality that was fixed after the abomination of 2016. ND didn't lose to one team not ranked in the regular season from 2017 - 2021. We've lost to 4 unranked teams in just over 2 years.
Most did not predict us to be 1-1. Most predicted a win, but knew losing at A&M was possible.
When Leonard was holding his shoulder I said to my wife "Well this might be ND's out. They can go with Angeli who will win this game" BUT...... Angeli will not be an upgrade over the course of the season. ND is once again in a situation where the QB position is a liability similar to 2022.
Actually it is now, given what we know by year 3 and what we saw yesterday.
This what ND is. An natural top 20 team, with some talent, aspiring to be top 15, with top 10 being really aspirational.
As discussed, what is acceptance? The ND administration accepts all this. As discussed, we fans discussing it is moot...although fun.
When it was clearly shown Leonard was holding his shoulder, why didn't MF start warming up a replacement?
That he didn't get anyone up suggests to me it won't be Angelli.
That he didn't get anyone up suggests to me it won't be Angelli.
I think you are correct honing in on the negatives, as they're egregious.
BK did correct bad losses for the most part. He laid eggs in big situations against better opponents.
Losing to Marshall, Stanford, and NIU is disturbing and a serious regression...my definitive red flag and, therefore, why I consider MF a roll of the dice gone bad. I don't want to fire him.
But I now know MF cannot make ND better. ND has gotten worse with him.
