Where’s Angeli?

[Golson5]

I don't recall the exact play where Styles dropped it, but Mayer on the one that went tipped off his hand and was intercepted and Merriweather where he had a sure TD on a post pattern. As a 6-5 guy against a 6-0 DB you have to high point the ball and make a play.

Are you crazy saying the Mayer one was a drop. I just watched the play. He jumped up as high as ge possibly could and barely got a fingertip on it if at all. That was a horrible overthrow

Wow you were wrong on that one. No way. Not even close to a drop

 

[Notre Dame du Lac]

Are you crazy saying the Mayer one was a drop. I just watched the play. He jumped up as high as ge possibly could and barely got a fingertip on it if at all. That was a horrible overthrow

Wow you were wrong on that one. No way. Not even close to a drop

Pyne misses on just about every play either to high or to low if he was more accurate his limitations would be no major issue but he has a weak arm and he’s not even accurate on throw he c a make

 

[Patrirish]

Are you crazy saying the Mayer one was a drop. I just watched the play. He jumped up as high as ge possibly could and barely got a fingertip on it if at all. That was a horrible overthrow

Wow you were wrong on that one. No way. Not even close to a drop

That pass was uncatchable !

 

[ftnfan62]

Mayer was not catchable. The only catch you could say was a miss was Tobias. Unfortunately Tobias had his man beat and had to come back for the ball so he was turned back awkwardly. It could have been caught. It hit him in the hands but if he leads him it’s 7. We was well behind his man.

DP cannot throw over 40, maybe 43 yards.

 

[Patrirish]

Mayer was not catchable. The only catch you could say was a miss was Tobias. Unfortunately Tobias had his man beat and had to come back for the ball so he was turned back awkwardly. It could have been caught. It hit him in the hands but if he leads him it’s 7. We was well behind his man.

DP cannot throw over 40, maybe 43 yards.

Not true, but 50 might be his limit

 

[ftnfan62]

I have never watched him in practice. I only have the games to go by. The toss to Mayer was 42 yards and it looked like he gave it his all and the one to Tobias was about 40.

You might be right but the video I have shows him at about 40-43.

 

[Patrirish]

I have never watched him in practice. I only have the games to go by. The toss to Mayer was 42 yards and it looked like he gave it his all and the one to Tobias was about 40.

You might be right but the video I have shows him at about 40-43.

I’m more concerned about the lack of accuracy than distance.

 

[ftnfan62]

True but he has had people open deep and they have to peel back. You need both.

Bottom line the DP we had for 2 games is gone. You cannot win with this DP against Clemson.

 

[mbd11]

The most popular player on this board is always ND's backup QB. It just strikes me that Angeli, like Pyne, is one of those guys who you like to have on your team, but not as your starter.

Angeli looked very good in the Blue-Gold game. And I know it's a scrimmage with a very basic gameplan, but nevertheless, he played well.

 

[Golson5]

Angeli looked very good in the Blue-Gold game. And I know it's a scrimmage with a very basic gameplan, but nevertheless, he played well.

He looked okay

 

[mirer03]

Why is he not playing?

Angeli is and never has been a likely long term playing option at ND. That's why the miss last year is so glaring. Angeli was always mean to be a 4 year guy and backup.

If Angeli is ever starting, some serious injuries have happened.

Not a knock on the kid, but he's not near Pyne, Tyler, or Phil with regards to expectations

 

[Golson5]

Angeli is and never has been a likely long term playing option at ND. That's why the miss last year is so glaring. Angeli was always mean to be a 4 year guy and backup.

If Angeli is ever starting, some serious injuries have happened.

Not a knock on the kid, but he's not near Pyne, Tyler, or Phil with regards to expectations

I think he had the same expectations as Pyne, not much.

Pyne and Angeli are supposed to be backups at any good schools

 

[theskibro]

Angeli is and never has been a likely long term playing option at ND. That's why the miss last year is so glaring. Angeli was always mean to be a 4 year guy and backup.

If Angeli is ever starting, some serious injuries have happened.

Not a knock on the kid, but he's not near Pyne, Tyler, or Phil with regards to expectations

I find your analysis interesting. So let’s play this out —. Angeli commits to ND and he thinks he will be given a shot to compete. But you think the coaches never thought enough of him to let him compete.
Now there have been many qbs at ND or other schools who were not viewed highly by the coach. At nD, Montana comes to mind.
But many of these coaches give the guy a chance to compete. And sometimes magic happens.
IMO Pyne is no where near the talent level of Angeli. Given our obvious struggles Angeli should get game pt.

 

[Telx1]

I find your analysis interesting. So let’s play this out —. Angeli commits to ND and he thinks he will be given a shot to compete. But you think the coaches never thought enough of him to let him compete.
Now there have been many qbs at ND or other schools who were not viewed highly by the coach. At nD, Montana comes to mind.
But many of these coaches give the guy a chance to compete. And sometimes magic happens.
IMO Pyne is no where near the talent level of Angeli. Given our obvious struggles Angeli should get game pt.

Ski, we don’t know a lot about Angeli…pocket awareness, leadership, playing under pressure, ability to make reads, etc…. But, we do know he’s three or four inches taller, faster and more athletic, a decent scrambler, throws the ball with some zip, and physically capable of throwing the ball further Down the field. We know Pyne’s ceiling, and we can win when he plays to his ceiling. Unfortunately, he’s been terribly inconsistent and more often plays way below this. Like you, anxious to get Angeli some real playing time to see what we have in him.

 

[mbd11]

Angeli is and never has been a likely long term playing option at ND. That's why the miss last year is so glaring. Angeli was always mean to be a 4 year guy and backup.

If Angeli is ever starting, some serious injuries have happened.

Not a knock on the kid, but he's not near Pyne, Tyler, or Phil with regards to expectations

Angeli's probably more talented than Pyne. For one thing, he's a lot bigger (6'2, 215), and likely has a stronger arm as well.

 

[Kelso86]

He looked okay

"He looked okay"

He looked MUCH better than Pyne in the B/G game. Granted, it was a glorified scrimmage, but Pyne looked terrible.

 

[Golson5]

"He looked okay"

He looked MUCH better than Pyne in the B/G game. Granted, it was a glorified scrimmage, but Pyne looked terrible.

I didn't say he wasn't.

But Angeli looked okay

 

[88ND]

Last I checked ND was winning.

Don't start that ....

Book had a ton of wins huh....
YEP...
Just not the most important ones. I guess we can give him credit for for the weird Covid win against Clemson's backup QB and other starters missing @ home mind you ...

BUT...

If the ultimate goal is to be the last team standing...in other words the champions at years end...

That ship has sailed this year.
Does it really matter if we go 10-3 or 7-6?
We aren't playoff bound no matter what....we're also not playing in a Major bowl

I think it's absolutely positively paramount we find out what Angeli can or can't do.
It gets him precious experience without the strangling pressure of an undefeated season or one loss season at present.

Most importantly it shows just how dire the QB position is and if you need one from the portal and or put all your resources in getting a top QB

We'll either be all set at the #1 back position for the next 3 years (if Angeli is that good he'll enter the draft after year 3)
Or it's complete dire straights and we've got a mayday

 

[BGI User 1798]

Tommy yelling it's your f-ing job doesn't work. Dp should be yelling it's your f-ing job to make me better.

 

[ftnfan62]

Max Duggan has about the same rating as Pyne or Angeli coming out. Slightly higher than Steve, slightly lower that Drew.

Much closer to Steve in height and weight. I just doubt any 4 star QB joins a program to be a backup. I think that's usually your 2 or 3 star guys. No hope of a NFL career. Just looking for some continued team play and an education.

Unless its your child hood dream, like the kid at UGA. Junior college, walk on, no way he goes pro, will play until he is out of eligibility. Probably go into coaching.

At this point, I'm just not sure what you have to lose with Steve. Its that bad. If you are going to run the "spy" offense and let TR change the play, it probably doesn't matter if the QB has experience. They need to hand off and complete basic throws. So far, DP is capable of handing off. Maybe like TB, its time to give him a series. TB came in as a frosh last year game 3. We need to see Angeli now. Its been 3 games since TB was hurt. Better find out now than in an emergency.

 

[NDblitz]

Don't start that ....

Book had a ton of wins huh....
YEP...
Just not the most important ones. I guess we can give him credit for for the weird Covid win against Clemson's backup QB and other starters missing @ home mind you ...

BUT...

If the ultimate goal is to be the last team standing...in other words the champions at years end...

That ship has sailed this year.
Does it really matter if we go 10-3 or 7-6?
We aren't playoff bound no matter what....we're also not playing in a Major bowl

I think it's absolutely positively paramount we find out what Angeli can or can't do.
It gets him precious experience without the strangling pressure of an undefeated season or one loss season at present.

Most importantly it shows just how dire the QB position is and if you need one from the portal and or put all your resources in getting a top QB

We'll either be all set at the #1 back position for the next 3 years (if Angeli is that good he'll enter the draft after year 3)
Or it's complete dire straights and we've got a mayday

I beg to differ. If. And it's a BIG IF. If ND goes 9-3 that would put them in a major bowl IMO.

 

[tbone3114]

Ski, we don’t know a lot about Angeli…pocket awareness, leadership, playing under pressure, ability to make reads, etc…. But, we do know he’s three or four inches taller, faster and more athletic, a decent scrambler, throws the ball with some zip, and physically capable of throwing the ball further Down the field. We know Pyne’s ceiling, and we can win when he plays to his ceiling. Unfortunately, he’s been terribly inconsistent and more often plays way below this. Like you, anxious to get Angeli some real playing time to see what we have in him.

Pyne played in Massachusetts... Angeli was the QB at the 6th ranked highschool in the country! Let the kid play!!!!

 

[mirer03]

Angeli looked very good in the Blue-Gold game. And I know it's a scrimmage with a very basic gameplan, but nevertheless, he played well.

Against third stringers.... Angeli should ideally NEVER start at Notre Dame.

 

[Golson5]

Against third stringers.... Angeli should ideally NEVER start at Notre Dame.

Pyne shouldn't have either though

 

[88ND]

I beg to differ. If. And it's a BIG IF. If ND goes 9-3 that would put them in a major bowl IMO.

As big as ND is draw wise...

I just don't see where they fit in a Major bowl with 3 losses.

It's not impossible and certainly if it's looked upon they beat, Syracuse, Clemson, Navy, BC and USC to finish out the year they are making a strong case but...3 losses is still 3 losses two of which came against Stanford and Marshall
@Home.

The bowl and playoff selection people give little credence to being hot at the end of the year.
As we've seen, teams can get white hot and possibly beat every playoff team soundly but get left out due to one bad performance let alone 2 or 3.

It's going to be really hard for them to play a major bowl with 3 losses.

When the playoffs expand if the major bowl games are still under a similar format then most definitely they'd get in if left out of the top 12.


Not impossible this year but most unlikely

P.s.
Did I mention the Stanford and Marshall losses were at home.
Going to be really hard to get a major bowl

 

[Patrirish]

Pyne shouldn't have either though

Then who should start ?

 

[Patrirish]

Tommy yelling it's your f-ing job doesn't work. Dp should be yelling it's your f-ing job to make me better.

How do you know he doesn’t ?

 

[Patrirish]

I beg to differ. If. And it's a BIG IF. If ND goes 9-3 that would put them in a major bowl IMO.

I agree, but I think our record will have more than 3 losses.

 

[Golson5]

Then who should start ?

My point was we should have recruited better that a Drew Pyne or Steve Angeli are not in the position to start

 

[d1042]

Pyne played in Massachusetts... Angeli was the QB at the 6th ranked highschool in the country! Let the kid play!!!!

not Tommy-esque

 

[BGI User 756]

Tommy yelling it's your f-ing job doesn't work. Dp should be yelling it's your f-ing job to make me better.

Stop. Pyne is missing wide open throws and making poor decisions .

 

[BGI User 756]

One each by Styles, Mayer, and Merriweather.

None by Mayer

 

[theskibro]

Pyne is by any measure terrible and an indictment on Rees. Rees is a boy in a man’s job. He has no clue. Thinks he knows how to recruit. Has missed on Shipley, Moore and should be fired

 

[Harpo Marxist]

Seems like every year we are debating who's the tallest midget.....the quarterback position is a black hole at Notre Dame....bordering on a curse.

 

[d1042]

Seems like every year we are debating who's the tallest midget.....the quarterback position is a black hole at Notre Dame....bordering on a curse.

need to start bringing in the legit duel threat QB’s and of course an OC/QB coach that relates to those skills.

 

[mbd11]

Against third stringers.... Angeli should ideally NEVER start at Notre Dame.

Based on what?

 

[notredamerises23]

Does it really matter if we go 10-3 or 7-6?
We aren't playoff bound no matter what....we're also not playing in a Major bowl

I think it's absolutely positively paramount we find out what Angeli can or can't do.
It gets him precious experience without the strangling pressure of an undefeated season or one loss season at present.

Yeah, it absolutely DOES matter if we go 10-3 or 7-6. If we go 10-3 and win out, the momentum on the field and recruiting is much different than if we’re 7-6.

As for finding out what we have in Angelli, the team probably has a very good idea. He‘s more talented than Pyne, but I highly doubt he’s the type of talent that’s going to put us over the top in any year. Pyne gives us a better chance to win now and build momentum and if Angelli is good enough, he’ll win out in competition.

 

[Golson5]

Based on what?

Skillset. Although he can improve but you should ideally be signing more talented players

 

[chaseball]

And a coach has never been wrong before.....

Didnt Lloyd Carr start Drew Henson over Tom Brady....

Yeah coaches never make mistakes

That isn't the point.
The point is the coaches make millions to determine who their best players are and more often than not with few exceptions get it right. We as fans have ZERO information to go off of. Coaches at this level have years of experience, live practice, scrimmage, and game reps to go off of. Obviously they are better able to determine the depth chart and the playing time distribution that puts the program in the best position to succeed. A drunken fan from his couch screaming "hur dur where's the 3rd string QB!!??" does not.

 

[mbd11]

Skillset. Although he can improve but you should ideally be signing more talented players

Angeli was a 3* on Rivals - 5.6.

There are plenty of QBs with lower ratings than that that have become very good QBs and gone on to the NFL. One example was Kenny Pickett - 2017 3*/5.5.