Not with this OL and how many sacks he takes. He would never make it through
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Good points but RL still has passing issues. Do you think Angeli deserves to play as well? I don’t see the harm in giving Angeli an opportunity.
So it's just really good fortune, then. We have a porous OL, and shitty WRs. And so our shitty passing but good running QB is a fairly major blessing in disguise all things considered. When you put it that way, or at least I put it that way, I guess we should be pinching ourselves that we have RL to fall back on.
My opinion is at this point let's just roll with it. The schedule sucks, even with our duct tape offense we should be able to run the table heading into USC, and so no complaining. Though we could probably do it with Angeli as well. And if it's that true, maybe we should go with whoever gives us the best chance to beat USC. And if we should love somewhere along the way, well then I guess we're screwed.
Right, exactly. So even if we're resigned to RL's woeful passing, and we'll just muddle through somehow and ride his running ability, considering the other nontrivial offensive weaknesses.... But still I bet you Angeli could do it too with this schedule. I feel like saying can't we give him a shot? Is it at least at that point? Or are these guys' psyches too fragile? And if we make a one game switch, just to see what happens, and Angeli plays well and then we have a QB controversy and the whole team falls apart under the stress and then we're no better off than when we started.
He’d be fine. I think you’re discounting the OL’s talent and Angeli’s mobility. ND played NIU and Miami U. We also have Navy and Army on the schedule.
The OL is not playing well at all. NIU has a good defense.
Against TX Am, NIU and Louisvilles DL he would have struggled mightily
He's not as mobile or as physical as RL
I think Angeli got sacked 3x in 1.5 quarters against Purdue
Yes, I thought, overall he played better. Regardless, Angeli is not the answer. He is a physically a much weaker person which limits his over all effectiveness. I don't see him as the present or future answer to NDs QB needs/issues.
A senior shouldn't be developing, he should be ready. If you are going to have a QB develop during the season, play the younger guys.
Ol got bombarded because he wouldn’t throw downfield or make quick reads when they constantly brought 6+
Louisville said make us pay, and Riley said, nope
Wrong. He made them pay in the 1st quarter. He didn't just all of a sudden say I can't pass anymore
They blitzed the crap out of us. We didn't have time. We tried rolling the pocket right a bunch and really quick throws
It's actually really simple and obvious what happened. Pure bias
No disagreement there. There's always this balance of we need to play who gives us the best chance win now vs. we need to develop for the future. Obviously, coaches believe RL gives them the best chance to win now. But I would guess Minchey and Carr are the most talented in the QB room, but least developed. Do you potentially sacrifice a win or two or even 3 or 4 for this year in hopes of having a more seasoned QB for next year? Given that next year is never promised for coaches, my guess is they're inclined to try to win now and focus on the future later.
Denbrock has been quoted about making comparisons of the progression Jayden Daniels had as a passer and comparing that to RL. Not immaterial and unknowable. There's a reason RL is the starter.
Agree. He could. Smart fans really like Steve Angeli. But he's not the starter right now. So all the speculation is worthless.
So, what’s the solution? I mean, Golsom could roll all the way right and throw 50 yards to the other side of the field. Do that a few times and the defense gets honest. Riley can’t do that so what’s the solution?
Yeah- you mentioned that in another thread I think, and it makes good sense.
I just hate admitting that this OL isn't good.
Total plays was Louisville 75 and ND 52… that just can’t happen
A big reason for this was Riley after first quarter with a lead going ultra conservative and making the easy throw for 3 yards instead of a throw even just a little downfield. He also made a few poor audibles into losses. Riley is not playing good and is crushing this offense.
Louisville had more people at the Los than any team yet and Leonard wouldn’t throw a slant to a hot read. I’d you re watch the game, there were so many opportunities to plant and rip it but he doesn’t trust it
A big reason for this was Riley after first quarter with a lead going ultra conservative and making the easy throw for 3 yards instead of a throw even just a little downfield. He also made a few poor audibles into losses. Riley is not playing good and is crushing this offense.
Louisville had more people at the Los than any team yet and Leonard wouldn’t throw a slant to a hot read. I’d you re watch the game, there were so many opportunities to plant and rip it but he doesn’t trust it
Maybe if we get Schrauth back and after the bye we will see an improvement
It can happen.
I think we’re a bit different than teams in a conference, where they can afford to lose out of conference games and live with the growing pains of a new qb. We can’t afford losses, and every game is a must win. So, given this, I think Freeman needs to do everything possible to win each game, including subbing for his qb if they are having a bad game. Angeli is the logical choice, but he’s a bad mix with our porous OL. Frankly, I think Minchey might be a better option; and Carr might actually be the best. We have zero knowledge of how these guys practice, etc…. But you have to believe that one of these would have led us to victory over NIU after Leonard got hurt. But that’s the only game I would have subbed for Leonard.
Face it, this seasons expectations are over. Sure they can still make the playoff, but who cares really if it's going to lead to another embarrassing loss.
I'd rather play the younger guys, get them experience, plus with the remaining games on the schedule, I don't see a loss using the younger QB's.
We had a shot to make it with 2 losses but not now due to coaching malpractice vs niu
I forgot to post last week that we were 199th in passing yards? I didn't know there were 199 teams.
It now saws 206th.
or 111th
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It now saws 206th.
or 111th
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It's hard to defer to the coaches when the team is struggling. We presume the coaches have analyzed the qb situation at concluded that RL gives us the best chance to win. I would guess that with this Oline qb mobility and experience are the two most important abilities.
I guess we need to see how everything plays out, but I never thought a two loss ND team would make the playoffs; especially with this years schedule and the bias towards SEC teams. Hell, I’m still rooting for a 10-1 team going into the Colosseum and upsetting a top ten USC. No reason to be talking two losses at this point.
It would have been close depending din on the 2 losses… a one loss nd even with that loss to niu if they go 11-1 is probably 5th or 6th
71, that would have him 5th or 6th worst last 20 years at ND
By far worst passer since 2007, but as we all know, a very good runner.
He's beating Pyne 2022 season, slightly beating kizer 2016 and golson 2012,
Rees 2011 and crist 2010 are the ones he's clearly beating. Our worst offenses over the last 20 years he's right with.
It's 72, 35th in the country
And where are you getting the QBR numbers for each season
Also way higher than anyone in 07
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I was high on Riley. My issue is we knew there would be great and easy opportunities to throw it because of how good a runner he is. He's just doing such a bad job with decision making and confident throws. That throw to greathouse, there's been about 5-8 of them that open this year in different forms he's either not seen or hesitated to throw it. You see what this offense could be if we get healthy and he can be just a good passer.
I see what the offense could be when we have an OL that can give him more than 2 seconds. Guilotte andtheir DL destroyed us after the 1st quarter and that changed the game2024 College Football Season Leaders Total QBR | ESPN
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I was high on Riley. My issue is we knew there would be great and easy opportunities to throw it because of how good a runner he is. He's just doing such a bad job with decision making and confident throws. That throw to greathouse, there's been about 5-8 of them that open this year in different forms he's either not seen or hesitated to throw it. You see what this offense could be if we get healthy and he can be just a good passer.
Just give him protection and he'll be fine
Running QBs do get injured at a higher rate, so I imagine we see Angelli at some point. I would like to see Angelli get some reps, but RL does bring positives to the table and is not turnover prone.
This is may be your greatest post. It all makes really good sense.
We have 4 starters out on the OL. It's far from a guarantee that Angeli would sit back there shredding secondaries to the tune of 300 passing yards every game. The OL is beat to shit. Leonard running a ton and making it ugly very well may be the best play we have.
We are where we are. Get to USC with 10 wins. We should be able to physically impose our will on the next 6 opponents. Then go out to LA, and do everything possible to beat them and steal that game.
That's the pathway to the playoffs.
And for the record: I'd bet that Leonard gets hurt and misses time at some point. We're gonna need Angeli sometime, somewhere. I trust him.
Man this has been a wild season so far.
Listened to 2 different ND podcasts today. Both said similar to me that I said throughout.
Denbrock only called for 8 of 26 actual pass dropbacks because OL got destroyed. Said after rewatch he didn't even have enough time to get to his 2nd read
Rocco and Coogan have really slow feet and Guilotte is a stud. They are saying this is the best DL we will face all year.
4 of 5 OL that started are better at pass blocking than run blocking
Basically they were encouraged by the way RL played and handled everything. You need to rewatch
But he's been improving, though. Saturday was his best game passing yet. His passer rating (162.1) was higher than Hartman's season rating of 159.5 last year. So that's good that we're seeing improvement.2024 College Football Season Leaders Total QBR | ESPN
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I was high on Riley. My issue is we knew there would be great and easy opportunities to throw it because of how good a runner he is. He's just doing such a bad job with decision making and confident throws. That throw to greathouse, there's been about 5-8 of them that open this year in different forms he's either not seen or hesitated to throw it. You see what this offense could be if we get healthy and he can be just a good passer.
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