Time to join a conference in Football?

[WoadBlue]

Originally posted by Izo:
Besides joining,the ACC, its ' member schools would not go for ND having their own television contract separate from an ACC possible television network deal .

That's like saying that the ACC would never allow ND in as only a partial member in football. It simply is wrong.

The ACC would have no trouble working ND's NBC deal into the league. ND playing 7 games per year on NBC would mean all that exposure would be for at least 1 ACC football member. Remember, ND as a full football member would be playing 4 Home games per year vs. other ACC teams.

In other words, ND's NBC deal would become one partially analogous to the SEC deal with CBS.

Anybody who thinks the SCC would hesitate over that more than a split second is hopelessly stupid.

 

[NDSMC78]

Originally posted by WoadBlue:

Originally posted by NDSMC78:
The ACC is already too big as it is. Some long time rivalries are being lost, or at least severely dinminished, because schools rarely play each other, 16 teams are too many.

In terms of what the ACC was in all sports, 8 and then 7 (after SoCar left because it opposed the ACC's academic standards and wanted to be like the SEC), even 12 is too many. But the old days aint never coming back. Fiscally, they cannot come back.

16 is no worse than 15 for basketball and other sports. 16 for football, as long as ND is in, will be much better than 14.

When you only play other conference members every 8 years or so, I'm not sure what the value of being in a conference is.

 

[jferrell31]

Originally posted by seminole72:

Originally posted by coloradohusky:
It's all about $. ND doesn't want to share their money with a whole conference. They would make less by joining and they are not so altruistic as to do so just so the kids can play an extra game. Until it becomes a good financial move, don't expect it to happen. This is a business.

Don't blame anyone for keeping their revenue protected, but maybe joining in football might make even more money. Consider what the negotiations might look like if ND and ESPN had to compete for the ACC football ticket. Should ND join, ESPN is obliged to come back to the table w/ the ACC. I don't know the terms of the ND/NBC deal, but I would imagine there is a similar provision. The two would have to out bid each other or create a shared arrangement for more money.

Obviously this is just speculation on my part, but in today's media world nothing attracts viewers like live college football, particularly live CF w/ ND and the likes of FSU, Miami, Clemson, Louisville, BC, Cuse, GT and Pitt. ABC/ESPN and NBC know it and I don't think it is too far fetched to think they would pay handsomely for that package.

BTW, I don't think ND would have to give up USC or Navy unless they wanted to in order to accommodate a full ACC schedule.

Congratulations on another ACC championship! Good luck in the tourney.

If ND joins the ACC in Football, could the ACC get out of the contract with ESPN and negotiate a deal with NBC? Kinda like the SEC / ESPN $2Bill deal? Now that would shake up college football and piss off ESPN!!!

 

[onlyonenow]

interesting Irish- note that most of your support comes from enemy fans.

Think on that.

 

[IrishBlooded]

Originally posted by onlyonenow:

interesting Irish- note that most of your support comes from enemy fans.

Think on that.

Are you talking to me on that one? Saying 'Irish' on an Irish board doesn't really narrow down who you are talking to

Seriously though, I would be happy to discuss the plus and minus of a conference with anyone. As long as they want to discuss the actual issue and not just use metaphors and name calling. Which is all that ever happens when this topic comes up.

 

[Mheezyfosheezy3]

Would love ND to stay independent. My
Only thought is does a single loss ND team get in the 4 team play off without a conference title game to play in? The landscape changes in college football fast.
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[NDSMC78]

Originally posted by IrishBlooded:

Originally posted by onlyonenow:

interesting Irish- note that most of your support comes from enemy fans.

Think on that.

Are you talking to me on that one? Saying 'Irish' on an Irish board doesn't really narrow down who you are talking to

Seriously though, I would be happy to discuss the plus and minus of a conference with anyone. As long as they want to discuss the actual issue and not just use metaphors and name calling. Which is all that ever happens when this topic comes up.

Irish Blood position:

1. ND needs to play in a conference championship game as the kids need something besides a national championship to play for.

2. Anyone who doesn't see the need to join a conference is behind the times. The game has changed.

3. ND will be more likely to get a playoff bid as a member of a conference.

4. The traditions of the past have little to no relevance now.


This is your position in a nutshell. I have refuted each of your claims many, many times.

 

[IrishBlooded]

Originally posted by NDSMC78:

Originally posted by IrishBlooded:

Originally posted by onlyonenow:

interesting Irish- note that most of your support comes from enemy fans.

Think on that.

Are you talking to me on that one? Saying 'Irish' on an Irish board doesn't really narrow down who you are talking to

Seriously though, I would be happy to discuss the plus and minus of a conference with anyone. As long as they want to discuss the actual issue and not just use metaphors and name calling. Which is all that ever happens when this topic comes up.

Irish Blood position:

1. ND needs to play in a conference championship game as the kids need something besides a national championship to play for.

2. Anyone who doesn't see the need to join a conference is behind the times. The game has changed.

3. ND will be more likely to get a playoff bid as a member of a conference.

4. The traditions of the past have little to no relevance now.


This is your position in a nutshell. I have refuted each of your claims many, many times.

1. Wrong. ND doesn't NEED to play a conference championship game for the kids to have something to play for. But it doesn't make it easier to recruit a kid saying no matter how good or bad they or any of the other 128 teams in D1 football are. They will never have the chance to play for one. Because ND is one of only a handful of schools that doesn't have a path to participate in one.

2. I have said time and again I don't have all the answers and I could well be wrong. But yes the game has absolutely changed. If you don't think it has, then go and put as many kids on the roster as were back in the 80's, 70's and before. And then let me know what sanctions the NCAA puts on for not realizing you can't do that... Because the game has changed.

3. Mathematically, yes ND is absolutely more likely to have a playoff birth in a 4 team playoff if they have 13 games and 13 wins, then if they have 12 games and 12 wins. All things being even. I am more then happy to show you my math on this if you don't believe me, just let me know yes or no on needing to see it. No team that participated in this playoff had less then 11 wins and a conference championship to go with it. So if you follow that. If ND would have had 11 wins (their maximum with FSU being on the schedule and in the playoff) then ND would have still been left out without a conference championship to show for it. TCU says hi!

4. I love ND's traditions. There isn't ANY tradition that is in ANY way compromised by joining a conference. Other then not being in a conference. The 4 Horsemen are still a tradition, the band is still a tradition, the green uniforms, and the 1812 overture, and the 11 titles, and the 7 Heisman's. Matter of fact. Can you name me which tradition ND would lose by joining a conference? I asked about that earlier and was never given an answer.