This 2016 class is scary bad right now
- Thread starter chaseball
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Geez. Another new name employed by the board psychopath. Too bad that there is zero moderation on this board. But at least there is the ignore function.
I hv 1 ID. You guys know everything . Most opinions on this board are taken 2 polar extremes with all 2 often personal venom added to the mix as well. I'm into ND football and I belong to ISD as a paying member . I check this place out periodically . I made the mistake of posting at all and posting in the wrong thread. . Pardon me... it's amazing that theoretically we're all fans of the same School and team. It appears to be in theory only. A few guys on here vie for Pollyanna of the year on a daily basis . Other guys seem think BK is the ruination of the program. And an endless debate on the future of 17 yr old football players determined whether they be 3stars or the holy grail of 5 stars goes on endlessly. If the choice is column A is a 5 or 4 star good student and column B is a 3 star . I'll go with Column A every x. Problem is ND for variety of reasons rarely has that choice. It is what is... I'll let you guys talk amongst yourselves uninterrupted. And I'll check back once in a while to see if there any edifying or constructive thoughts offered. Or it may serve as good humor to read the juvenile rantings certain posters who masquerade as grown men while demonstrating the consequences of delayed adolescence .
2016 5 star CA LB Caleb Kelly will be in south bend from august 2-4 with his head coach according to him. his coach and irish assistant coach denbrock have had a really long friendship with each other so hopefully that helps our irish. the coaches are trying to get him in for an official for the texas or usc game. hope this makes some that are down on recruiting right now happy because we really got a shot here if he likes his visit
Most of the posters here have lives so we don't "star gaze" or try to evaluate film. One that comes to mind is Dayne Crist.
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If you believe a 5 star should at least start for three seasons and be a dominant player - then you could say Gunner Kiel, Ishaq Williams (Hopefully this year is a breakout year for him) and Greg Bryant (too early to say bust, but he hasn't set the world on fire yet.)
Gunner is doing quite well.
Ishaq seems to lack the fire.
Bryant ... Ricky Williams syndrome.
Getting more 5 stars raises the probability of getting a dominant player. All three of thos mentioned would probably figure large in ND's plans this season...if
Ishaq seems to lack the fire.
Bryant ... Ricky Williams syndrome.
Getting more 5 stars raises the probability of getting a dominant player. All three of thos mentioned would probably figure large in ND's plans this season...if
At least 2/3 would (will) be backups, and perhaps all 3
That said, you're right that a randomly selected 5* has a much better chance if being good than a randomly selected 3*...orders of magnitude better, in fact
What you miss though, is the fact that these players aren't randomly selected and it is possible to identify players who are good but recruiting services have as a 3* for whatever
(As Kelly, Meyer, Saban, Harbaugh, Miles, ect. all believe they did with Eichenberg...and many other prospects)
Just read on another site that of last years NFL first round draft picks... 8 were 5 stars(1 in top 12 picks) 7 were 4 stars and 16 were 3 stars ,and 1 was a 1 star. Those ranking these high school kids aren't professional talent evaluators.
If you look at percentages the meaning of those numbers change. 8/32 5* were drafted round 1, 16 /1000 were 3* were drafted round 1.
agree with chaseball, unless things change dramatically, this is starting to look like willingham redux
Do you realize some of these "so called" 2 - 3 star athletes are rated as such because they came into the scene late? Maybe they were playing another sport in conjunction with football, their school didn't reach out to the recruiting services, they didn't participate in camps BY choice, the kid didn't respond to interview requests, etc. (I imagine JJ Watt fell into one of these categories). Every year it seems that the recruiting services focus on a handful of players (just because everyone else is) and before you know it, these chosen athletes rise in ranks. So, to say 5.8 grade athletes are usually starters at ND as opposed to 5.7 athletes is absurd! My point is, each athlete is like a nicely wrapped present - you don't what's inside until you open it.
Three, four, or five star guys, these recruits are pretty much all very talented athletes who are used to being stars at every level they play. But once they hit college, very few guys - including the five stars - can just sit back and rely on their talent. It becomes work. I hope the guys we're recruiting really love to play football, love to compete, and don't get discouraged when their hard work fails to translate into immediate playing time.
